What is the max amount you can pay a QB and still win a SB

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There's just so much evidence. Why are people denying it? Brees and Wilson's teams both took a giant step back after paying them huge. As did Flacco and Eli. It's just so obvious.
Its like as a kid when you first realized there was no Santa Claus , you were a bit in denial , but it was OK you were still getting gifts .

Dak is going to cost us 30-40 mil , Money we cant use to add free agents on defense to get better , but the silver lining is we got rid of Garrett and now have a coaching staff to make us better .
Will it be as good as having a great staff and the money to add the FAs NO , but it wasnt as much fun when Santa wasnt bringing the gifts either but we muddled through LOLOL

Heck brother IDK but Sheesh how cant it be better to have an extra 30 - 40 mil to work with while your QB is making peanuts .
Why Jerry didnt take the initiative to assemble an elite coaching staff long ago to take advantage of the talent we had in Dak and Zeke while they were cheap and much talent could be added is beyond me .

Heck COACHING was the last vitally important thing that you could just out bid everyone else on and buy. An easy win for Jerry having the most cash
 

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In 05, Brady signed a 6b year deal.

You need a new info source!!!

It was an extension. They included the last two years of the restricted free agency contract he signed in the press release. Teams like to do that because it looks better. The only new money at that point was the 4 year extension though.

I know you want to have your soundbite cake and eat it too but when you actually account for what was done in 2005 you can only do it once. IOW, you don't put down 02-06 and 05-09; you put down 02-04 and 05-09.

I see you like to eat cheese.
 

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Its like as a kid when you first realized there was no Santa Claus , you were a bit in denial , but it was OK you were still getting gifts .

Dak is going to cost us 30-40 mil , Money we cant use to add free agents on defense to get better , but the silver lining is we got rid of Garrett and now have a coaching staff to make us better .
Will it be as good as having a great staff and the money to add the FAs NO , but it wasnt as much fun when Santa wasnt bringing the gifts either but we muddled through LOLOL

Heck brother IDK but Sheesh how cant it be better to have an extra 30 - 40 mil to work with while your QB is making peanuts .
Why Jerry didnt take the initiative to assemble an elite coaching staff long ago to take advantage of the talent we had in Dak and Zeke while they were cheap and much talent could be added is beyond me .

Heck COACHING was the last vitally important thing that you could just out bid everyone else on and buy. An easy win for Jerry having the most cash
That’s the reason some of us have had lsss Hope was because of Jerry’s Mgmt style. Now the best window for success has passed with Dak.

Based on these arguments I’ve seen about how paying the QB lessens our opportunity for success is conflicting to paying Dak. Especially if we over pay.
 

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There's just so much evidence. Why are people denying it? Brees and Wilson's teams both took a giant step back after paying them huge. As did Flacco and Eli. It's just so obvious.
But yet we’re prepared to pay Dak 33 million or more which will make it tougher for us to have success?

If we’re going to make the argument paying the QB lessens our opportunity for success then why are we so determined signing Dak?

Seems like we should already be looking for our next Rookie contract or inexpensive journeyman veteran.
 

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This entire argument about paying the QB should confirm that you should churn QB’s at least every 4-5 years. Especially if you haven’t already won a championship with them since the odds lessen once you pay them,

And if the new Rookie QB doesn’t do as well then you’ll have a Higher slot in the next draft to possibly improve on the next QB.

Then you avoid being stuck with a Rookie QB who under performs while continuing to provide a strong supporting cast without tying up your Salary Cap on a QB.
 

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This would confirm then it’s time to move on. Our best window has passed and paying our QB lessens our opportunity to win a championship.

Great discussion fellas. Next we should discuss our possibilities in the draft and how we maneuver to land our best Rookie QB .
 

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That’s the reason some of us have had lsss Hope was because of Jerry’s Mgmt style. Now the best window for success has passed with Dak.

Based on these arguments I’ve seen about how paying the QB lessens our opportunity for success is conflicting to paying Dak. Especially if we over pay.

Its still more difficult if we under pay, 25 mil is still a great deal but considerably more than 650 k . It dosent get easier no matter how you look at it .
 

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Its still more difficult if we under pay, 25 mil is still a great deal but considerably more than 650 k . It dosent get easier no matter how you look at it .
I think we can present a solid argument it’s gets significantly tougher . And it might not be sound football strategy.
 

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But yet we’re prepared to pay Dak 33 million or more which will make it tougher for us to have success?

If we’re going to make the argument paying the QB lessens our opportunity for success then why are we so determined signing Dak?

Seems like we should already be looking for our next Rookie contract or inexpensive journeyman veteran.

Its not that simple . Dak has been a model player , the Gold Standard for durability and availability pro bowls ,rookie of the year , Lead NFL in passing with new coordinator. Leader in the locker room and community . Above all we dont have to CRINGE when he gets tackled like we just threw the Dice on our whole season . He GETS BACK UP AND LEADS OUR TEAM EVERY SINGLE PLAY since he got the job . The guy works diligently and has improved his game every year

We got very lucky finding Dak , He wasnt who we wanted if it was up to Jerry we would have Paxton Lynch , Connor Cook or Johnny Football . So there are no guarantees, we know what we have in Dak is good ,

That said We should always be Drafting and developing QBs for the future Like Landry did with Meredith , Morton ,Staubach and White so there is always competition and at the very least a competent Backup . Dak has been playing with no legitimate back up for 4 yrs .

And yes at some freakin point in the modern history of this franchise we may have to break down and use a first rd draft pick on a QB but not while we have Dak playing at a high level . He earned it, we have to pay him but because of our cart before the horse team building strategy that gave the FRIENDS AND FAMILY coaching staff the best window to work under our now legitimate NFL coaching staff has a tougher job and less money to stack talent
 

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We are not wining with Dak on a rookie deal. We will most likely be worse with Dak on a mega deal. We get very little for our salary cap dollar as it is. Now we will have less to work with.
 

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Its not that simple . Dak has been a model player , the Gold Standard for durability and availability pro bowls ,rookie of the year , Lead NFL in passing with new coordinator. Leader in the locker room and community . Above all we dont have to CRINGE when he gets tackled like we just threw the Dice on our whole season . He GETS BACK UP AND LEADS OUR TEAM EVERY SINGLE PLAY since he got the job . The guy works diligently and has improved his game every year

We got very lucky finding Dak , He wasnt who we wanted if it was up to Jerry we would have Paxton Lynch , Connor Cook or Johnny Football . So there are no guarantees, we know what we have in Dak is good ,

That said We should always be Drafting and developing QBs for the future Like Landry did with Meredith , Morton ,Staubach and White so there is always competition and at the very least a competent Backup . Dak has been playing with no legitimate back up for 4 yrs .

And yes at some freakin point in the modern history of this franchise we may have to break down and use a first rd draft pick on a QB but not while we have Dak playing at a high level . He earned it, we have to pay him but because of our cart before the horse team building strategy that gave the FRIENDS AND FAMILY coaching staff the best window to work under our now legitimate NFL coaching staff has a tougher job and less money to stack talent
So then it becomes more about rewarding our QB than what provided us our best opportunity moving forward to win a championship?

Ive argued that these Elite QB’s provide teams the greatest opportunity to win but the rebuttal is theres hard evidence that once you pay your franchise it’s more difficult to win a championship .

And if winning a championship is ultimate goal then I believe it’s a reasonable and logical conclusion that once you pay your QB the opportunity to win a championship drastically reduces.
 

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I think we can present a solid argument it’s gets significantly tougher . And it might not be sound football strategy.

It may not be but Jerry drafting Lynch , Cook or Johnny Football would have been considerably worse . I know he has given Big Mike a lot of power but for him not to be involved in drafting a QB would be more than I could believe and I dont trust his judgement on it . Things may not be ideal but Jerry could make them a lot worse . Only way I think he wouldnt screw it up is if we got 2 firsts for Dak and our first that would be a total of 3 to draft a QB not even Jerry could screw it up with 3 first round picks

Or could he???
 

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It may not be but Jerry drafting Lynch , Cook or Johnny Football would have been considerably worse . I know he has given Big Mike a lot of power but for him not to be involved in drafting a QB would be more than I could believe and I dont trust his judgement on it . Things may not be ideal but Jerry could make them a lot worse . Only way I think he wouldnt screw it up is if we got 2 firsts for Dak and our first that would be a total of 3 to draft a QB not even Jerry could screw it up with 3 first round picks

Or could he???
I appreciate you agreeing on principle.

At least if you miss on a draft pick it should provide you a higher pick the next year assuming your record was bad.

Which still sounds better than paying a franchise QB which will make it tougher to win a championship.

Unless we just become either comfortable in our current status of playoff caliber or emotional attachment despite knowing not an optimum scenario for winning a championship.
 

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So then it becomes more about rewarding our QB than what provided us our best opportunity moving forward to win a championship?

Ive argued that these Elite QB’s provide teams the greatest opportunity to win but the rebuttal is theres hard evidence that once you pay your franchise it’s more difficult to win a championship .

And if winning a championship is ultimate goal then I believe it’s a reasonable and logical conclusion that once you pay your QB the opportunity to win a championship drastically reduces.

Yep hard to figure what reduces your chances more paying your QB or letting Jerry try to draft one . Granted Im a bit conflicted but trusting Jerry to get it right or even close seems like a crap shoot at absolute best . Heck Dak was a complete after thought not close to the guys we wanted . Nobody would have predicted him being this good . It was pure luck he turned out this good
 

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Yep hard to figure what reduces your chances more paying your QB or letting Jerry try to draft one . Granted Im a bit conflicted but trusting Jerry to get it right or even close seems like a crap shoot at absolute best . Heck Dak was a complete after thought not close to the guys we wanted . Nobody would have predicted him being this good . It was pure luck he turned out this good
We’ve not really tried to draft a franchise QB in the 1st round in almost 30 years.

We are only 1 of 4 teams who haven’t used at least one pick on a 1st round pick on a QB since 2000.

The others are Patriots, Saints and Seahawks.
 

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I appreciate you agreeing on principle.

At least if you miss on a draft pick it should provide you a higher pick the next year assuming your record was bad.

Which still sounds better than paying a franchise QB which will make it tougher to win a championship.

Unless we just become either comfortable in our current status of playoff caliber or emotional attachment despite knowing not an optimum scenario for winning a championship.


I felt we were comfortable before and were stuck with Garrett for the duration . I think Jerry is feeling urgency as he is getting up in age being why he finally gave up on trying to get it done with Garrett but not before he gave Garrett the best window of talent to work with .

Im figuring Jerry age is factoring into this and he dosent want to start over with a new QB . He is banking on Big Mike being able to have such a significant improvement that missing the window will be out weighed by the improvement in coaching , discipline and culture .

Hope it works but would have loved to have this coaching staff in 2016 while everyone was cheap and the Oline had more tread on the tires
 

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We’ve not really tried to draft a franchise QB in the 1st round in almost 30 years.

We are only 1 of 4 teams who haven’t used at least one pick on a 1st round pick on a QB since 2000.

The others are Patriots, Saints and Seahawks.

I hear you . All these people whine and moan about Dak , I could see it if we used a top 5 pick on him like the Eagles and Rams did but Jeez Dak got drafted by default . Everybody else we wanted was gone
 

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I hear you . All these people whine and moan about Dak , I could see it if we used a top 5 pick on him like the Eagles and Rams did but Jeez Dak got drafted by default . Everybody else we wanted was gone
Prescott is a winner. If we put him in the right situation back to dink and dunk. Super Bowl will be the result. No everybody wanna 500 yard plus games. That’s not how you win in this league. Control the ball balance on both sidesWhat really hurt us was our lack of special teams. You’re not winning without three phases. Elite quarterback they don’t exist any longer.
 

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I hear you . All these people whine and moan about Dak , I could see it if we used a top 5 pick on him like the Eagles and Rams did but Jeez Dak got drafted by default . Everybody else we wanted was gone
No doubt Dak has been a tremendous value . But that is fixing to change.
 
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