Twitter: Spotrac: Goff dead cap figure will be $94M on 3/19/20

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Cant believe you are actually asking that question. As if drafting a rookie, having him become great instantly, and having a SB caliber coach and team all at the same time is no big deal. LOL

Try to think a little deeper than what you are currently doing. What the Cowboys and other teams need to be doing is consistently drafting QB's like that the Pats do and developing them. Keep the competition going. If the young kid HAPPENS to be better or as good as the incumbent, high paid guy, then you trade the high paid guy and get draft picks.

But what you dont do is simply cut your franchise QB's every 4 years and start over. 15 years of horror between Aikman and Romo.

if you're referring to Goff, he wasn't great instantly. In fact, he had his struggles coming outta the gate - and especially under the vastly Overrated Jeff Fisher.
In fact there remains stories that Fisher did not even want to consider Goff, wasn't fond of him.
A far cry different than management who were totally sold on Goff and determined to get.
It wasn't until the Rams brought on Sean McVey that Goff had his best success in the NFL.
 

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But why would they - the data has shown that they won't be winning a Superbowl any time soon.

Every team should want to land a quality rookie QB. Ride that Superbowl window for 3-5 seasons.

So change QBs every 3-5 years?
 

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Yes. He’s an above average solid franchise qb. He’s middle tier ... not too 5 but above top 15
Every NFL statistical group who rates NFL QBs on their stats/performance for a living says you're wrong. Dak is definitely Top 10. Even Top 5 - 8. That's much more than your "above average solid franchise qb. He’s middle tier ... not top 5 but above top 15".
 

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Anyone else notice, we have not heard one word about owners addressing QB salaries under the new CBA they are currently working on.
 

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Every NFL statistical group who rates NFL QBs on their stats/performance for a living says you're wrong. Dak is definitely Top 10. Even Top 5 - 8. That's much more than your "above average solid franchise qb. He’s middle tier ... not top 5 but above top 15".

Lol you are completely missing my point on this. Dak is solid. He’s NOT too 5. Top 10 is NOT a bad thing. I like Dak and want Dak signed. He is our franchise QB and deserves his money.

Mahomes, Wilson, Brees, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, Jackson. A few I would take over Dak talent wise at the moment. But that simply is not an option. So pay Dak his 30+ and call it a day.
 

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Lol you are completely missing my point on this. Dak is solid. He’s NOT too 5. Top 10 is NOT a bad thing. I like Dak and want Dak signed. He is our franchise QB and deserves his money.

Mahomes, Wilson, Brees, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, Jackson. A few I would take over Dak talent wise at the moment. But that simply is not an option. So pay Dak his 30+ and call it a day.
Brees and Rodgers are on their downside of their careers. So is Stafford. Jackson is more run than pass. Look at his passer ratings and accuracy %. Ick. Watson is overrated and inconsistent. The only ones I agree with are Mahomes and half of the time Wilson. Dak has outplayed Wilson head-to-head.
 

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its quite a monster dead cap hit, but it's irrelevant as I highly doubt the Rams have any intention of getting rid of Goff, and going in a different QB direction.
They are gonna leave it up to Boy Wonder McVay to " fix" and re-program Goff into the QB that steer the team to the SB vs the Pats.

And it's a reason why they also went on this ultra spending spree with blockbuster trades, high draft picks and big FA contracts.
They are clearly on their own " Win Now " version and going all out, even if it means going backrupt in cap hell and void of high draft picks for awhile.

I can't blame them for sealing up their core players for years to come in Goff, Gurley and Donald -but Goff got exposed in the 2018 playoffs, and without Gurley to work off
play action he became more vulnerable. But he still has tremendous tools to work and build around with. and the Rams may have to " money-ball' some more
serviceable players to support him.

Gurley is the one that I think they would be deciding to take a huge dead cap hit, and upgrade in the draft with coming up with a pleasant surprise RB
as there has to be questions about Gurley's knees and long term future.
 

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Brees and Rodgers are on their downside of their careers. So is Stafford. Jackson is more run than pass. Look at his passer ratings and accuracy %. Ick. Watson is overrated and inconsistent. The only ones I agree with are Mahomes and half of the time Wilson. Dak has outplayed Wilson head-to-head.

Agree to disagree. All good my friend. Regardless of our opinions Dak is our guy. Let’s just hope he gets #6 soon that we can agree on.
 

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Cant believe you are actually asking that question. As if drafting a rookie, having him become great instantly, and having a SB caliber coach and team all at the same time is no big deal. LOL

Try to think a little deeper than what you are currently doing. What the Cowboys and other teams need to be doing is consistently drafting QB's like that the Pats do and developing them. Keep the competition going. If the young kid HAPPENS to be better or as good as the incumbent, high paid guy, then you trade the high paid guy and get draft picks.

But what you dont do is simply cut your franchise QB's every 4 years and start over. 15 years of horror between Aikman and Romo.

I'm all for players competing for the quarterback position but we don't allow that obviously - refer to the start of the 2017 season.

If the quarterback isn't elite then moving on is the most pragmatic decision and contingency plans should already be in place, i.e. we should have drafted a QB with a realistic chance of competing for the starting spot in recent years not just a bum to hold a clipboard.

The likes of Luck, Mahomes, Newton, Jackson, Watson, even RG3 all performed to at least one elite season within the first five seasons of their NFL career. Sometimes that's all you might get with a QB on a rookie contract (granted Newton's came during the first season on a new deal but the Panthers have been dreadful and paid the price ever since). In my view, Prescott's most impressive season was 2016 and that coincided with playing behind an incredible offensive line. Realistically that has been the closest we have come to actually doing something in the post season over the past four years but we blew home field advantage. It's exceptionally competitive out there.

We have not seen back to back Superbowl Champions for 15 years.

Take out the Patriots nobody else has had continued success over the past twenty years and they are a complete one off. Nobody else has Brady and Belichick in that type of set up.

Paying an average yet durable QB elite money just doesn't and hasn't worked out historically.

To be quite honest, to save us both time it's for the best if we ignore each others post as i'm wasting my time with you and vice versa as we completely disagree on this issue.
 

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So change QBs every 3-5 years?
I would draft a QB in rounds 1-3 every couple of years with the view to them replacing the existing rookie QB depending upon performance or use them as trade bait like the Patriots did with Jimmy G.
 

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I'm all for players competing for the quarterback position but we don't allow that obviously - refer to the start of the 2017 season.

If the quarterback isn't elite then moving on is the most pragmatic decision and contingency plans should already be in place, i.e. we should have drafted a QB with a realistic chance of competing for the starting spot in recent years not just a bum to hold a clipboard.

The likes of Luck, Mahomes, Newton, Jackson, Watson, even RG3 all performed to at least one elite season within the first five seasons of their NFL career. Sometimes that's all you might get with a QB on a rookie contract (granted Newton's came during the first season on a new deal but the Panthers have been dreadful and paid the price ever since). In my view, Prescott's most impressive season was 2016 and that coincided with playing behind an incredible offensive line. Realistically that has been the closest we have come to actually doing something in the post season over the past four years but we blew home field advantage. It's exceptionally competitive out there.

We have not seen back to back Superbowl Champions for 15 years.

Take out the Patriots nobody else has had continued success over the past twenty years and they are a complete one off. Nobody else has Brady and Belichick in that type of set up.

Paying an average yet durable QB elite money just doesn't and hasn't worked out historically.

To be quite honest, to save us both time it's for the best if we ignore each others post as i'm wasting my time with you and vice versa as we completely disagree on this issue.
:lmao::facepalm:
 

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I'm a winner. I'm in it to win. I'm not here to tap someone on the shoulder for being durable.

Every player on an NFL roster is still paid handsomely regardless compared to most people.

Do your job or shut up and move elsewhere.
 

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Yet another thread that as the rest turn into a hate Dak thread.:facepalm:
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+1...think about it, what 2-3 years ago, the Dolphins ran Tannahill out of town.
Now he's about to cash in on a min $27-30M per season deal and let's not forget he sent a former 2nd overall QB pick to the bench.
Said a long time ago, this is all about whether or teams believe in their STARTING QB who's up for a new deal. If they do, their floor is $27-28M, the same as the tag.

the Titans were already questioning (souring) on Marcus Mariota, which brought on the decision to get Tannehill.
If Ryan T. can manage to hold Titans hostage with a demand for a near 30 million a year, then he needs to get his agent an extra bonus.

As Derrek Henry goes, so does the Titans, Tannehill is a bus driver they count on not make the big mistakes and take over the game but if i'm Tannehill's camp, i'm playing the
Titans club as if you want to keep me, then " over-pay" me as if it'm a high market starting QB, or i'll take my bus-driving somewhere else.
 
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