Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

Aviano90

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Well since this is the FIRST year since the salary cap started that the Cowboys aren't in cap hell I guess we have to wait and see. Second fans don't get refunds win or lose. Real fans pay for tickets because they are fans not whine bags. Fans buy the merchandise and how many at the end of the season go back to where they bought their merchandise and ask for a refund. Once again and continuously you grade school mentality has come through.
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Oh, so you're guaranteeing victory this year since we have so much cap space? Pay last year's team more money and they will be motivated to win this year because of it. Got it.
 

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A friend of mine fits this group, a Romoholic. When he was playing he was frustrated with his picks. Now since he is gone he acts as if Romo was Brady.

Does not want to say one good thing about Dak. He doesn’t hate him, just don’t think he should be The QB mostly as he still think Romo should be here.
He says Dak is not the answer but can’t tell me his reasons. I guess it is the old “eye” test crap. :laugh:

Your friends eye test revealed that Dakota feasted on the crappiest defenses in the NFL and was in command of an offense that scored 10 or less points in 3 important winnable games, Patriots, Saints, and of course the Eagles Division title game featuring.......3 Fg's and no touchdowns whatsoever. Your friends eyesight is 20-20.
 

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It's the hardcore Romoholics who keep acting up...daily. They have been doing it for the past 4 years.
Dude, 4+ years later, let it go. It's not about Romo. It's about believing you've seen the best of Dak, and that's not getting you past the first round. He couldn't beat ANY good teams last year. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. Blame everything you can except average QB play. He continually comes up small in big games.
 

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Perhaps not this year, but what about 3-5 years from now? Should the Cowboys overpay another good player? The biggest problem with the Dak case is overpaying a franchise QB is a lot different than over paying a RB or DE and the Cowboys seem to want to overpay everyone. It's not sustainable. Unfortunately, it would not look as problematic if Lawrence and Zeke were not given such lucrative contracts.
 

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Perhaps not this year, but what about 3-5 years from now? Should the Cowboys overpay another good player? The biggest problem with the Dak case is overpaying a franchise QB is a lot different than over paying a RB or DE and the Cowboys seem to want to overpay everyone. It's not sustainable. Unfortunately, it would not look as problematic if Lawrence and Zeke were not given such lucrative contracts.
I think it is impossible to field a team and meet the salary cap minimum without overpaying players. If you're not going to overpay your superstars, you're going to be overpaying your JAGs. You can't have a team full of rookie, team friendly, incentive based, vet minimum, and/or one year prove-it deals.

You bring up an interesting point. Overpaying Dak wouldn't be as problematic if they already weren't overpaying for Lawrence and Zeke. You can toss in Jaylon Smith into the equation too and Cooper if they sign him.
 

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Oh, so you're guaranteeing victory this year since we have so much cap space? Pay last year's team more money and they will be motivated to win this year because of it. Got it.

I'm not guaranteeing anything because contrary to your belief, you, me nor anyone else here has anything to do with who the Cowboys sign as players, coaches, what time they have team meetings or anything else that has to do with the Cowboys. Unfortunately there are some "fans" that have extremely little NFL knowledge but just love playing wannabe GM's that think they have all the answers. And what's really funny, this time ha ha funny, these wannabe GM's actually think that if anyone disagrees with their view on things that they are routing for 8-8 seasons. These wannabe GM's just don't see that their plans are just as funny as they are. Have you ever considered talking your act on the road to comedy clubs?
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Dude, 4+ years later, let it go. It's not about Romo. It's about believing you've seen the best of Dak, and that's not getting you past the first round. He couldn't beat ANY good teams last year. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. Blame everything you can except average QB play. He continually comes up small in big games.
Dude, open your eyes. Dak is plenty of good and way above average. Every statistic proves it. Stop drinking the haterade and finally get over your beloved Romo. It's been 4 years already and going on 5.
 

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I'm not guaranteeing anything because contrary to your belief, you, me nor anyone else here has anything to do with who the Cowboys sign as players, coaches, what time they have team meetings or anything else that has to do with the Cowboys. Unfortunately there are some "fans" that have extremely little NFL knowledge but just love playing wannabe GM's that think they have all the answers. And what's really funny, this time ha ha funny, these wannabe GM's actually think that if anyone disagrees with their view on things that they are routing for 8-8 seasons. These wannabe GM's just don't see that their plans are just as funny as they are. Have you ever considered talking your act on the road to comedy clubs?
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I get the impression you don't like to be treated like you treat others. Not so fun when people just pull crap out of their butts, is it? Learn how to understand someone's point and quit making strawman arguments and you'll probably find better conversations in the future.
 

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Where have you been? He has had some playoff success, he won a playoff game against a QB that’s currently the highest paid player in the league. Did you miss that game? He brought us back from a deep hole against Green Bay in the playoffs his rookie season. Had it not been for a great throw by Aaron Rodgers in the final seconds we may have won that game. What makes you think he’s going to have less talent around him? We’re going to lose a few players in free agency but we’re going to gain some players that may end up being better. I’m not going to waste anymore time with this if you’re one of those fans who thinks we should let him walk.
Another thing to consider in free agency is McCarthy very well could want to replace players with players that he likes better. Everyone freaks out over contracts every off season. They did when Romo got got a huge extension and they did when Bryant got his. The difference is Prescott is up on his first extension, not multiple. He's young and has a lot of years left. Some experts will tell you that QBs don't fully mature until year 5 or 6. People need to stop the childish hating.
 

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I get the impression you don't like to be treated like you treat others. Not so fun when people just pull crap out of their butts, is it? Learn how to understand someone's point and quit making strawman arguments and you'll probably find better conversations in the future.

This all started because you made all these bold statements on how the Cowboys could have and should have signed other high priced free agents and let their own free agents walk yet all you've done is try to push things back on me. I repeatedly asked you to provide all these other free agents that would have turned the Cowboys into winners without having to start the vicious cycle of renegotiating contracts that put dead money down the road onto the cap and again all you do is try to push this off on me. You're the one that started with your wild claims and didn't provide any answers and now you again are trying to put things off on me instead of telling us all these players that YOU think would have been so much better than the players the Cowboys chose to sign. Oh wait, you also fail to see that coaching has as much or more affect on how a team does. Even when I point out that wildcard teams have won the Super Bowl with less talent than the divisional winners but you still think talent is the ONLY measure. Please stop your putting things off on me and for once back up your wild claim of your super talented free agents.
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Perhaps not this year, but what about 3-5 years from now? Should the Cowboys overpay another good player? The biggest problem with the Dak case is overpaying a franchise QB is a lot different than over paying a RB or DE and the Cowboys seem to want to overpay everyone. It's not sustainable. Unfortunately, it would not look as problematic if Lawrence and Zeke were not given such lucrative contracts.

I responded similarly 5 or 6 pages back and didn't get a response thankfully as the debate of "to sign or not to sign" has grown into very tiresome reading on this post. Mods make it end already. There's beating a dead horse but this one's been killed multiple times, reincarnated and continues living on. The Groundhogs Day post if there ever was one, lol.
 

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This all started because you made all these bold statements on how the Cowboys could have and should have signed other high priced free agents and let their own free agents walk yet all you've done is try to push things back on me. I repeatedly asked you to provide all these other free agents that would have turned the Cowboys into winners without having to start the vicious cycle of renegotiating contracts that put dead money down the road onto the cap and again all you do is try to push this off on me. You're the one that started with your wild claims and didn't provide any answers and now you again are trying to put things off on me instead of telling us all these players that YOU think would have been so much better than the players the Cowboys chose to sign. Oh wait, you also fail to see that coaching has as much or more affect on how a team does. Even when I point out that wildcard teams have won the Super Bowl with less talent than the divisional winners but you still think talent is the ONLY measure. Please stop your putting things off on me and for once back up your wild claim of your super talented free agents.
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No, I said we got into favorable cap position and the team was seemingly afraid to pull the trigger on free agents that could have made the team better. You can feel free to disagree.

I gave a couple of examples like Earl Thomas and Suh. I acknowledged it may or may not have worked out but also recognized not signing them also didn’t work out.

Having great cap space doesn’t matter if you don’t spend it to try and make the team better and simply using it to resign the same players to higher salaries probably isn’t going to push the team over the top.

You seem to feel your preference of how the Cowboys manage their cap is the only way and anyone who disagrees is an “internet GM”.

The Cowboys had the ability to go out and sign free agents. They didn’t and you agree with it. Their way and your way didn’t work.
 

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The Prescott haters hate him for various reasons whether real or not. I'll bet there were Danny White haters because he followed Roger Staubach.
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I’m talking about the people who wouldn’t support Dak if he won a Super Bowl and mvp award because they cannot or will not admit they are wrong
 

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Your friends eye test revealed that Dakota feasted on the crappiest defenses in the NFL and was in command of an offense that scored 10 or less points in 3 important winnable games, Patriots, Saints, and of course the Eagles Division title game featuring.......3 Fg's and no touchdowns whatsoever. Your friends eyesight is 20-20.

I guess he is blind then on coaching and scheme and defense and ST's.
It is a team game you know.
 

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I’m talking about the people who wouldn’t support Dak if he won a Super Bowl and mvp award because they cannot or will not admit they are wrong

Knowing a bunch of Giants Fan pretty closely as I do it's not much difference in the group's mixed feelings and varieties of loyalty or lack thereof to their beloved Eli Manning. Some go with the last name and 2 historic runs and 2. Super Bowl MVPs as solidifying him as a first ballot HOF. Others actually see a 16 year body of work as maybe not so elite.

White Followed Staubach and inherited a very talented team and went to 3 consecutive championships. Unable to reach the trophy game though. Maybe disappointed vice hatred would be a better use of Cowboy and Danny White followers of that era.
Romo followed Aikman and didn't get to any champioships. Dak followed Romo and didn't get to any championships yet either. Maybe continuing the use of the word disappointed is the appropriate response.
The Fan base as a whole suffers from long time disappointment no matter If the quarterback is to blame or not.
 

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I REALLY hope thats not the case. Also, something to consider is that MM is (apparently) a QB builder. Perhaps he see's potential in Dak?
MM is going to have Dak speed his reads, speed his release, improve passing timing and accuracy, call audibles, and learn to feel pressure which Dak is pretty lacking. That is quite a challenge for MM. So what is Dak worth with all of his deficiencies?
 

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Every day I read a new thread about that QB who is going to somehow make us look like a genius for not signing Dak.

-- Matthew Stafford? Didn't anyone learn with Aikman what happens to an immobile QB over 30 with a bad back?
-- Teddy Bridgewater? How many games has he proven himself in his career since 2015? You realize he never threw more than 14 TDs a year before his injury?
-- Philip Rivers? He almost threw more interceptions than TDs in his worst year ever. He was booed out of the stadium by his own fans his last game!
-- Tom Brady? He turns 43 this year! I repeat, he turns 43! I didn't even trust myself jumping off my truck tailgate at 43. Nevermind a QB in the NFL!
-- Insert whichever QB is the flavor of the moment.

Here we have a 26 year old QB about to enter the prime of his career. Except for one sophomore slump, he has pulled in terrific numbers and wins every year. I won't post the repeat stat threads that show how Dak lines up well against all the recent great QBs in most significant stats and wins numbers. He's not a choker in the Playoffs. He just got done with a record year on a team that had given up on its head coach, and oh yeah, he tried to close it out with more than one significant injury. We'll never see him in a rape or wife beater headline, we'll never see the team give up on him or him isolate them with his primadonna act. He IS high grade quality individual, tough as nails, and this is about as safe a contract as you can gamble on.

You want to rally against him because he won't sign for the same as the last QB free agent? Fine. But look at the competition above. His agent isn't stupid. Someone will pony up $40 million a year for Dak. He is the only one on the list who guarantees you 7 years of a franchise QB.

If you want to have a serious QB debate, why not talk about some 2nd-4th round draft pick bargains that could become the next... gulp... Dak! Just in case we have to franchise him and it goes south. I look forward to someone telling me who that next hidden draft pick is who could play Tony Romo into retirement.
Me personally I would rather franchise tag him and then trade him and several picks to whomever gets the number 1 pick and take Trevor Lawrence next year!!!! But I am bias I'm a Clemson Tiger fan lol
 

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I think it is impossible to field a team and meet the salary cap minimum without overpaying players. If you're not going to overpay your superstars, you're going to be overpaying your JAGs. You can't have a team full of rookie, team friendly, incentive based, vet minimum, and/or one year prove-it deals.

You bring up an interesting point. Overpaying Dak wouldn't be as problematic if they already weren't overpaying for Lawrence and Zeke. You can toss in Jaylon Smith into the equation too and Cooper if they sign him.
Geez, how could I forget Smith.
 

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Dude, open your eyes. Dak is plenty of good and way above average. Every statistic proves it. Stop drinking the haterade and finally get over your beloved Romo. It's been 4 years already and going on 5.
Yet they keep bringing up Romo.....
 
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