Quinn vs Byron Jones

glimmerman · Feb 19, 2020

Jones. We have a few more DE. Not many other CB.

John813 · Feb 19, 2020

tm1119 said:
Obviously as a fan I have no real clue about Quinn’s makeup...but it is fair to point out that his #’s significantly dipped and was subsequently traded after his 1st big contract. Could easily be a coincidence and injuries did play a part, but it’s not something that can be ignored in my opinion. Last year was his 1st 9+ sack season since 2014 and it happens to be (likely) his last shot at a good pay day coming up.

But again, I don’t know...Quinn could be an amazing teammate with a great work ethic.

Byron is a very good cover CB but the great ones that create TO’s deserve the big paydays. But how much did Rod’s Stone Age system play into the lack of TO’s?

Hard choice either way

Yea, I remember when he got to Miami he was awol until the second half of the year, think it was post Texans game when he started being a factor in the pass rush department.
Talent wise, not a huge difference between the two teams on the DL when it comes to pass rushing players. Wake was old but still effective from the LDE spot.

CATCH17 · Feb 19, 2020

McKDaddy said:
I absolutely believe you build teams from the inside so in general i will almost always say the lineman is more important. However, one argument I would use against a pass rusher is that teams can negate great rushers with scheme. Quick passes, running right at an undersized rusher, roll pocket away, etc.. If you have truly high level cover guys, its harder to scheme them out of the game. (of course that means you need solid coverage across the board not just the one guy.) I simply offer this as i believe we sometimes overvalue pass rushers and then wonder why they didn't make the difference in the biggest games.

I don’t think we over value pass rushers.. I think your other point is more valid about fans being lazy and only looking at INT or Sack totals.

If a team wants to they can scheme a DLineman out of a game.

ondaedg · Feb 19, 2020

cowboyec said:
Byron Jones.
just coming into his prime.
i'd hate to see another team reap our harvest.
good CBs are hard to find...we got one...i'd like to keep him.
he might not have alot of picks...but i would love to see if those numbers would change with a new coaching staff.

Byron will never be an INT guy due to his coverage technique. He sacrifices picks so he can play the receiver's movements with his back to the ball.

ondaedg · Feb 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Dallas has no legitimate #1 CB behind Jones so you sign him.

There will be free agents and released guys who could be a good fit. Everyone is replaceable.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Feb 19, 2020

I believe in loyalty so I'm keeping Jones.

Replacing either one of these guys with an unproven commodity will be a tall task. But we have other good pass rushers in DLaw, R.Gregory, and J.Jelks. Plus we have a couple of guys that could turn the corner in D.Armstrong and J.Jackson.

Our secondary was very suspect last year and if we lose Jones it will more than likely get worse. Whom would you trust to follow the other teams number one if Byron isn't around? But more than likely Dallas will let Byron walk, bring in a journeyman then draft a CB. But I'd still choose Jones over Quinn. Because we have no one behind Byron playing up to par on a regular basis.

Killerinstinct · Feb 19, 2020

I go with Quinn because his quickness is rare and I think if we get some legit Dt's the front 7 could be dominating but I agree with those of you that say losing Byron is taking a huge step back. We need to find a way to keep both. Maybe if Flemming and Crawford take salary cuts.

quickccc · Feb 19, 2020

ondaedg said:
That is not correct. Plenty of data analysis that has shown good DBs are the better long term bet. For example the 2019 Pats didn't have anyone with more than 7 sacks yet were among the best at INTs. There's a reason Gilmore is in NE.

Give me another example or team, other than the Pats., as Belichek could be an exception to the rule as he schemes and hides around flaws and weakness
while still finding a way to exploit the flaws and weaknesses of opposing team themselves.

Tussinman · Feb 19, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
I don't expect Quinn to continue playing at a high level.

Agreed. It will be his 10th year in the NFL and he's had 3 seasons slowed down due to injuries and 1 season with suspension. Alot of wear on tear on that body. I personally keep Jones and invest an early pick at DT

ultron · Feb 19, 2020

A top corner in the league vs a guy that is a situational pass rusher and sucks against the run and screens? What is wrong with you people that you can't see that Robert Quinn was a major problem for us last year.

I get that y'all get caught up in his sack numbers but he's undersized and every play that he didn't get a sack - he was a huge liability. I honest to god would not bring this guy back on a league minimum contract.

KJJ · Feb 19, 2020

Easy choice I would take Quinn. He gets sacks and affects the QB which can lead to turnovers. Pressure on the QB leads to errant throws and helps your secondary. Jones doesn’t get takeaways, he’s not a playmaker.

G2 · Feb 19, 2020

Tough one. Jones doesn't get thrown at for a reason, he's younger and it's a very hard position to fill. But if I had to decide on only one, I'd go with Quinn. He's not as old as some fans think. I'd give him another 3-4 years.

quickccc · Feb 19, 2020

McKDaddy said:
I absolutely believe you build teams from the inside so in general i will almost always say the lineman is more important. However, one argument I would use against a pass rusher is that teams can negate great rushers with scheme. Quick passes, running right at an undersized rusher, roll pocket away, etc.. If you have truly high level cover guys, its harder to scheme them out of the game. (of course that means you need solid coverage across the board not just the one guy.) I simply offer this as i believe we sometimes overvalue pass rushers and then wonder why they didn't make the difference in the biggest games.

True to some degree.

But the reason why you are “ forced ‘ to resort to having to such schemes to negate the great pass rush is because you cannot block and deal with them straight up, that great pass rush is taking away what you would prefer to do to begin with.

You have to scheme against it in order to survive, to have a chance to compete, and you’re reverting to something else that is not normally your game, it’s only gonna be a matter of time before you make a mistake, before your linemen get fatigue and break down into lapses, mistakes, and whiffed blocks.

Vs coverage guys, and depending upon your coaches/QBs-WRs, you can try to use design schemes such as bunch formations, rub routes, pre-snap motion to help free and open up receivers, but just like that pass rush, that design- scheme may only work for so long,
It’s gonna be a point where my guy needs to jjust beat your guy … (see Amari Cooper)

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 19, 2020

Killerinstinct said:
Assuming you can re-sign one, which do you choose?

Please give your reasons.

Quinn. Although older, he will have a higher impact. our Pass rush was anemic at times and there were games he was the sole pass rusher with any impact. pass rush has much more impact on the passing game than a CB (outside of Darrell Revis and Dieon Sanders). Plus, jones doesn't get many interceptions..... I take quinn, due to his higher impact.

nyc-cowboy · Feb 19, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Whom would you trust to follow the other teams number one if Byron isn't around?

Ahhhh but thats just it - he doesn't do that, he stays on one side of the field.

If he did shadow #1 WRs and shut them down then yes, you have a very good argument for resigning him - even without the INTs.

mattjames2010 · Feb 19, 2020

nyc-cowboy said:
Ahhhh but thats just it - he doesn't do that, he stays on one side of the field.

If he did shadow #1 WRs and shut them down then yes, you have a very good argument for resigning him - even without the INTs.

Means nothing. He's still helping to shut down one side of the field.

nyc-cowboy · Feb 19, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
Means nothing. He's still helping to shut down one side of the field.

Debatable how valuable that is - sure you can shut down the #2 WR, but what good is that if the #1 WR is abusing Chido.

Whyjerry · Feb 19, 2020

Killerinstinct said:
Assuming you can re-sign one, which do you choose?

Please give your reasons.

One guy can cover but has zero feel for the game and makes little impact. The other is a nice edge rusher that gets mauled in the running game.

How about neither?

If I had to choose I would take the pass rusher. Probably cheaper. Definitely a shorter contract. I will always choose the pass rusher all things equal.

Proof · Feb 19, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:

this specific question has been asked?

Whyjerry · Feb 19, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Dallas has no legitimate #1 CB behind Jones so you sign him.

Lewis is the best CB on the team. It really isn’t close.

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