Dak Hater's Myth: We Can't Build Around a QB Market Value Contract

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garyo1954 said:
You're free to take it any way you want. The point being made is, "The problem with teams committing so much of their cap space to quarterbacks is that it is clearly an unsuccessful strategy."

I'm sure the expert has studied this situation over many years. And likely not all of them fall in the same manner. Not to excuse his failure to use 2019, but he couldn't use it since 2019 hadn't been played.

Still the problem of paying out enormous contracts is not a new problem and its been unsuccessful. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. And you found one.

Don't know what else to tell you.
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It simply is not the rule. Again, there are examples throughout the history of the league of multiple ways to have success, which is what makes it impossible to pigeonhole it. Paying Prescott doesn't mean that Dallas can't win any more than it does that Dallas can.
 
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so realists are haters? I like dak but not at 35 and short non team friendly deal,

so im hater because im hoping Dak softens his stance and comes back at 32/33 signs a 6yr deal to help his team and then further proves he is worth top 5 money and Jerry can tear up the deal early..

so a lot of us are looking to debate options just in case and I cant be more clear on my thoughts..

Non Exclusive tag coming lets see who bites at 2 first, we already need a better backup then Rush so get a Dalton, Fitz, or Keenum plus draft Fromm/Hurts in the 4th .. Now if Dak stays but holdout we have plan, if he holds out long-term we have plan and then if we show a way to win enough without him while hes holding out , we now have a young draft pick to groom and try and trade dak or release him in 2021..

if he comes back and signs long-term 2021 we have dak Starting and young qb with potential backing him up.. its a win win.. we need this plan either way..Rush needs to go
 

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glimmerman said:
I heard a lot of people saying he would have been chased out of bounds or caught. I think he would have scored.
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Either way, given the momentum there was a strong chance of 7 points, 3 points worst case scenario.
 
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glimmerman said:
I heard a lot of people saying he would have been chased out of bounds or caught. I think he would have scored.
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Just out of curiosity, what gives you the impression he scores on that play? Not trying to be smart but what did you see in Murray's game at the time that led you to believe he would have taken it to the house?
 
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Aviano90 said:
Just out of curiosity, what gives you the impression he scores on that play? Not trying to be smart but what did you see in Murray's game at the time that led you to believe he would have taken it to the house?
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With limited view I saw I didn’t see a lot of people around him. (Try not to relive the moment) Huge hole and I can’t remember his name (older player) that just got a paw on it to knock it lose. I think the safety was coming over but we had caught them in the wrong line up. I had the opinion he out runs the safety to the open field.
 
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glimmerman said:
With limited view I saw I didn’t see a lot of people around him. (Try not to relive the moment) Huge hole and I can’t remember his name (older player) that just got a paw on it to knock it lose. I think the safety was coming over but we had caught them in the wrong line up. I had the opinion he out runs the safety to the open field.
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On page 10, I posted the highlights of the game. Check out 3:40. They will show the play and give an angle behind Murray. The commentators seem to agree with you, but I don't understand why they believe the safety has no shot at Murray. Clinton-Dix is going to come up and force Murray to the sidelines. You can also see Sean Richardson (#28) flying from the left and he would eventually be chasing Murray. If Murray would decide to cut back into the middle instead of being ridden out of bounds, that should give Richardson enough time to track Murray down.

Keep in mind, Murray had lost his home run hitting ability with the team. He was actually pretty bad in the open field. He seemed to slow down instead of turning things into a foot race. It was my biggest complaint against him, just like it is with Zeke now. Murray didn't regain his home run ability until he left Dallas.

I think 2016 Zeke scores on that play. Murray and Zeke 2017-2019 do not, IMO.
 
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Aviano90 said:
On page 10, I posted the highlights of the game. Check out 3:40. They will show the play and give an angle behind Murray. The commentators seem to agree with you, but I don't understand why they believe the safety has no shot at Murray. Clinton-Dix is going to come up and force Murray to the sidelines. You can also see Sean Richardson (#28) flying from the left and he would eventually be chasing Murray. If Murray would decide to cut back into the middle instead of being ridden out of bounds, that should give Richardson enough time to track Murray down.

Keep in mind, Murray had lost his home run hitting ability with the team. He was actually pretty bad in the open field. He seemed to slow down instead of turning things into a foot race. It was my biggest complaint against him, just like it is with Zeke now. Murray didn't regain his home run ability until he left Dallas.

I think 2016 Zeke scores on that play. Murray and Zeke 2017-2019 do not, IMO.
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worst of all, murray was not held accountable.
 
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cern said:
worst of all, murray was not held accountable.
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How would you have liked him to be held accountable?

He came back the next drive and shoved it down their throats and was offered a low ball contract. It was his last game with the team.
 
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Aviano90 said:
How would you have liked him to be held accountable?

He came back the next drive and shoved it down their throats and was offered a low ball contract. It was his last game with the team.
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I was making a joke in reference to our being called unaccountable by another earlier.
 
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Please Jerry and Stephen, get this done so we can move on to other things like complain about how much you paid Dak or Amari or Bryon or any other free agent. Wait how many days until we play a real game. Oh Lord, that Many!!!
 
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A lot of time left in that GB game when Murray fumbled - Murray had fumble issues, but Peppers should have not been able to reach that ball. As great as Martin was in 2015, he got destroyed on that play and the rest is history.

And not bringing Murray back and relying on a scrub RB really changed our offense in 2015, I hated the way it looked in the Giants game and it continued in the Eagles game. We reverted back to being pass heavy, and it ultimately got Romo injured.
 
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gimmesix said:
It was true in the NFC. The fact that it wasn't true in the AFC just shows that it's pretty much irrelevant, which was really my point. If there was only one way to get to the playoffs and Super Bowl, every team would be doing it that way.
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So half the NFL is irrelevant? Yeah, I don't buy that.

Truth is, there is only one winner and that is KC. They were able to do it with a QB who is not costing them a huge price tag.
 
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Aviano90 said:
On page 10, I posted the highlights of the game. Check out 3:40. They will show the play and give an angle behind Murray. The commentators seem to agree with you, but I don't understand why they believe the safety has no shot at Murray. Clinton-Dix is going to come up and force Murray to the sidelines. You can also see Sean Richardson (#28) flying from the left and he would eventually be chasing Murray. If Murray would decide to cut back into the middle instead of being ridden out of bounds, that should give Richardson enough time to track Murray down.

Keep in mind, Murray had lost his home run hitting ability with the team. He was actually pretty bad in the open field. He seemed to slow down instead of turning things into a foot race. It was my biggest complaint against him, just like it is with Zeke now. Murray didn't regain his home run ability until he left Dallas.

I think 2016 Zeke scores on that play. Murray and Zeke 2017-2019 do not, IMO.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if he was caught or ran out of bounds. But he would have kept the chains moving and kept the momentum.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
So half the NFL is irrelevant? Yeah, I don't buy that.

Truth is, there is only one winner and that is KC. They were able to do it with a QB who is not costing them a huge price tag.
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I'm not saying half the NFL is irrelevant. I believe that you are.

You bring up the AFC examples, which are valid. But you seem to dismiss the NFC examples, which are also valid.

If every team that made the playoffs from the NFC had one of the top-paid QBs, then it stands to reason that having a high-paid QB did not prohibit success ... and may have even enhanced it.

Kansas City won with a low-paid QB who is about to be high-paid. I don't think there's enough evidence to deduce that the Chiefs won BECAUSE they have a low-paid QB.

That's stretching it IMO, and even if that was the reason, then all it would indicate is that you have to draft a MVP-caliber quarterback and win a Super Bowl before his first contract runs out. Not very many teams are going to be able to follow that formula successfully.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
So half the NFL is irrelevant? Yeah, I don't buy that.

Truth is, there is only one winner and that is KC. They were able to do it with a QB who is not costing them a huge price tag.
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Oh, wait. Are you saying that I was saying only the AFC playoffs consisting of playoff teams without a top-paid QB is irrelevant?

That's not what I was saying. I think all of it is irrelevant. There are a variety of teams that have gotten to Super Bowls in a variety of ways over the years. Some have had a high-paid QB (such as a Peyton Manning), some have had journeyman types (such as Trent Dilfer). Some have won because of a great defense, others with a great offense. Fans/analysts draw conclusions and can find "facts" that support whatever that conclusion is.

We want a specific reason for things, but it usually doesn't work out that way. The NFC teams made the playoffs with high-paid QBs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's the reason why those teams succeeded. The AFC teams made the playoffs without high-paid QBs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the reason why those teams succeeded.

We want simple when the reasons for success or failure are often complex and varied.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
So half the NFL is irrelevant? Yeah, I don't buy that.

Truth is, there is only one winner and that is KC. They were able to do it with a QB who is not costing them a huge price tag.
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Way to miss the point to fixate on phrasing.
 
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