Twitter: Top 5 QB's in Cowboys history according to Brandt, Sham, Laufenberg, etc

fredp22

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choking three straight NFC Championships?

in the '82 game against Washington White went out with a concussion in 2nd quarter. Hogeboom played the 2nd half. In regular season White beat Washington for their only loss of the season
in the '81 game- we should have won- that was the game with "the Catch" against SF

those 2 are far from choking. White just had bad luck in those games
 

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Again, you can't rank Dak, his career is incomplete. It would be unfair to compare his first four years to everybody's total.

But we can speculate.....I think he ends up at #3 when all is said and done.

This is a pretty fair comment in terms of it being unfair to make a comparison of a career in its early stages to a complete career. Obviously reasonable people can have different projections on where Dak will stand at the end of his career.
 

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First of all, you didn't indicate you were talking about "adjusting for the era", you just said Dak was worse than Romo in every category. That was wrong.

But if you want to adjust the criteria, I'll throw in that Romo didn't have to get thrown to the wolves as a rookie - he got almost 3 1/2 years of training camps and practices and learning from veterans like Testeverde and Bledsoe before taking the reins.

But even adjusting for the era, 2007 was just one season - the other 3 of Romo's first 4 seasons he was nowhere near 36 TDs, so you can't pretend 36 was his norm. And, that's just one category, and you have to factor in Dak's rushing TD's , which are also part of the equation. And, again, passer rating and QBR favor Dak.

And, you can't explain away 55 INT's as opposed to 36 as just a difference in the eras.

In any case, again, I don't see the need for trashing one guy to support the other. Why is that important. They both had their strengths and weaknesses, and both have done a very good job, but as things sit today, neither has accomplished what they hoped to in terms of team goals.
Is this supposed to make sense? If you don’t adjust for era then not only is Dak better than Roger Staubach, he’s a LOT better. Talk about stupid. And yes you can explain interceptions because the interception rate has been dropping every season now for years. There is nothing special about Dak’s interception rate in 2019 when half of the league is under 2%. 10 years ago 2% was top 5.
I’ll say it again, because you aren’t smart enough to understand it: Romo through 4 years obliterates Dak in every area. Just because you’re mad about it doesn’t make it go away.
 

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Is this supposed to make sense? If you don’t adjust for era then not only is Dak better than Roger Staubach, he’s a LOT better. Talk about stupid. And yes you can explain interceptions because the interception rate has been dropping every season now for years. There is nothing special about Dak’s interception rate in 2019 when half of the league is under 2%. 10 years ago 2% was top 5.
I’ll say it again, because you aren’t smart enough to understand it: Romo through 4 years obliterates Dak in every area. Just because you’re mad about it doesn’t make it go away.
Are you supposed to make sense? You compared the two heads up, then you changed your tune. Simple as that.

But if you want to go with "adjust for era" stats, you shot yourself in the foot on the INT argument. Romo had the 4th most INT's in the NFL in 2007 and 6th most in 2008. He had the 13th most in 2006 despite only playing 10 games. Dak has been in the top 10 only once, and twice has been 25th or lower. Once he was 35th, which means QBs that only played part time threw more INT's.
 

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Are you supposed to make sense? You compared the two heads up, then you changed your tune. Simple as that.

But if you want to go with "adjust for era" stats, you shot yourself in the foot on the INT argument. Romo had the 4th most INT's in the NFL in 2007 and 6th most in 2008. He had the 13th most in 2006 despite only playing 10 games. Dak has been in the top 10 only once, and twice has been 25th or lower. Once he was 35th, which means QBs that only played part time threw more INT's.
Try again, troll. Interceptions by game is not the way to do it.
Better yet, passer rating takes into account interceptions and Romo’s adjusted passer rating is higher than Dak’s is. That’s what happens when you throw TDs at a higher clip than anyone not named Brady. Dak avoids interceptions and avoids touchdowns too. But I’m sorry, troll... you can go back to your fantasy where Dak is better than Roger Staubach.
 

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Try again, troll. Interceptions by game is not the way to do it.
Better yet, passer rating takes into account interceptions and Romo’s adjusted passer rating is higher than Dak’s is. That’s what happens when you throw TDs at a higher clip than anyone not named Brady. Dak avoids interceptions and avoids touchdowns too. But I’m sorry, troll... you can go back to your fantasy where Dak is better than Roger Staubach.
I didn't quote INTs by game, I quoted INTs as a ranking against others at the same time, You're the one that said you have to compare to the time in which they played, and that's what I did.

As for your last sentence, that just proves how irrational you are. It's a common ploy of those who post on emotion and are prone to melodrama. Since your extremist claim isn't working out, your response is to pretend I am making an extremist claim. The reality is I didn't even say Dak was better than Romo, much less Staubach, and in fact clearly said both Dak and Romo had their strong points and weaknesses.
 

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I didn't quote INTs by game, I quoted INTs as a ranking against others at the same time, You're the one that said you have to compare to the time in which they played, and that's what I did.

As for your last sentence, that just proves how irrational you are. It's a common ploy of those who post on emotion and are prone to melodrama. Since your extremist claim isn't working out, your response is to pretend I am making an extremist claim. The reality is I didn't even say Dak was better than Romo, much less Staubach, and in fact clearly said both Dak and Romo had their strong points and weaknesses.
No you contested what I said... and came up miserably short in a sad trolling attempt. If you had just said Dak was better than Romo or Staubach I doubt I would have replied. Opinions and all.
So again said slowly: Romo is better than Dak in every way through four years. Even in fairy land stuff like playoff wins. All of this information is easily available on the internet. You can get angry at me if you want, but you are really angry at whatever problems you’re having these days. Life is tough, get a helmet.
 

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Regular season passer rating, adjusted for era.

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Rk            Player From   To Rate+
1    Roger Staubach* 1969 1979   121
2          Tony Romo 2004 2016   116
3        Danny White 1976 1988   111
4       Craig Morton 1965 1974   110
5       Dak Prescott 2016 2019   110
6       Troy Aikman* 1989 2000   106
7       Don Meredith 1960 1968   105
8      Quincy Carter 2001 2003    86
 

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I can't link the article b/c it's from the ant-CZ newspaper in Dallas, but the paper assembled a panel of Gil Brandt, Babe Laufenberg, Brad Sham and Kevin Sherrington to assemble a list of the top 5 QBs in Cowboys history. Here was their list:



sorry but I didnt know dandy don very well, had to look up his stats not bad but its either him or Dak thats got to go for Romo..being Daks only played 4 yrs hes out, FOR NOW..too early to rank a 4yr player especially over romo..

1. Roger Staubach

2. Troy Aikman

3. Danny White

4. Romo

5. Dandy Don

6.Dak
 

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What are the 4? I only remember 3, but I am getting old.
The great Romo won 2 career playoffs in about a dozen years. The average Dak won 2 playoff games, before 2019, didn't he?
Be a good lad and research this for ol gimme, would ya, lad?
 

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The great Romo won 2 career playoffs in about a dozen years. The average Dak won 2 playoff games, before 2019, didn't he?
Be a good lad and research this for ol gimme, would ya, lad?
The shocking amounts of booze you’re forced to consume to maintain your schtick has apparently robbed you of some memories (or created some). Dak has one playoff “win” under his belt.
 

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The shocking amounts of booze you’re forced to consume to maintain your schtick has apparently robbed you of some memories (or created some). Dak has one playoff “win” under his belt.


Thank you.
Right you are, govnor.


Ya try to inflate an average guy like Dak and I get burned. Burned!
Thanks, Super, Romo still reigns in the playoffs department
 

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You guys still don't know what you are talking about...

You seem to all forget the elite QBs we have had.

1. Quincy Carter
2. Jason garrett
3. Mark Sanchez
4. Brandon Weeden
5. Kyle Orton

you people have no idea what you are talking about... because that right there is pure HOF talent!
 

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The great Romo won 2 career playoffs in about a dozen years. The average Dak won 2 playoff games, before 2019, didn't he?
Be a good lad and research this for ol gimme, would ya, lad?

Tony was in 3 play-off games (2006(0-1), 2007(0-1), 2009(1-1)), in his first 4 years and 6 overall going 2 and 4 winning one in 2009 and 2014(1-1).

Dak had one in 2016 (0-1) and two in 2018(1-1). 1 and 2 overall.
 

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great minds think alike . thats my list..Daks only 4yrs in hes 6th until further notice..
Yep. Dak is too young to be included in this list. Besides, he benefits from the new rules which favors the passing game. So, any quarterback from this generation, when compared with the greats of the past, is going to be devalued because he benefits from rules that favor better passing stats.
 

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You guys still don't know what you are talking about...

You seem to all forget the elite QBs we have had.

1. Quincy Carter
2. Jason garrett
3. Mark Sanchez
4. Brandon Weeden
5. Kyle Orton

you people have no idea what you are talking about... because that right there is pure HOF talent!

Drew Bledsoe? Testaverde?
 
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