Two firsts for Dak will never happen

LittleD said:

Dak is probably worth 10 Taco Charltons but, he's still not close to a top 5 QB and not worth 25mil per year. If you told me he was between top 10 & top 12 then maybe. His current agent is delusional and the non-exclusive tag should be forthcoming as I speak.

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You should keep you name little D

mcmvp said:

It’s not possible. Any team asking for a price would laugh at that and simply say “you took a year and couldn’t sign him because you obviously didn’t think he was worth as much as he and his agent did. But now you expect me to believe you feel he is worth 2 first rounders?”

You are simply kidding yourself if you believe Jerry could pull that off.

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Keep in mind some people on this board think Dak is the best QB in the NFL...lol

DasSchnitzel said:

I'm going to make a brief rant here.

It's never going to happen.

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You are underestimating the market for quarterbacks. Never forget that the Bears gave up two firsts and a third for Jay Cutler.

I firmly believe that the Bears would trade two firsts for Dak IF they had them. Unfortunately they don’t have a first round pick this year. They would probably be willing to trade both of their 2nd round picks and next year’s first but that’s not enough for the Cowboys.

Don’t discount a trade. Players like Prescott don’t become available for trade very often in this league and quarterbacks are always a hot commodity.

Edit: this is a nice article, albeit pure speculation, about a move by the Bears for Dak: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/b...rterback-dak-prescott-be-answer-chicago-bears

CowboysWillRise said:

Meh, it only takes one. If Sam Bradford can get a first and a fourth...

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This is such a weird place to be. Dak is clearly someone to build a team around but he is also clearly not a top 5 QB, which clearly someone like Romo could never also be.
Are we as a franchise going to be looking for Brady, Manning, Wilson, Mahomes types? The FO needs to make a decision. They understand the salary cap, especially over the next few years.
Either put the exclusive tag, and have someone sign him or move forward.

there will be a tag put on Dak but there will be no trade

CowboysWillRise said:

Meh, it only takes one. If Sam Bradford can get a first and a fourth...

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Some team would easily do it. But Dak will be here for a long time.

True.... because it would take three 1st rounds to get Dak.

If a OL and CB require two.....a QB of Daks caliber would take 3. Mahomes would take 4.

Likely? No.

Possible? Yes.

CowboyRoy said:

Some team would easily do it. But Dak will be here for a long time.

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You might be right but it’s fun to speculate and I maintain that trading Dak is the best possible outcome for the Cowboys.

Teams like the Dolphins and Chargers are not going to trade for him. Those teams are rebuilding. The ideal trade partner is a team that believes they have all the players to make a run but are missing a quarterback.

That narrows us down to: the Bears, Patriots, and maybe Panthers. The asking price is going to be two firsts, though as I wrote earlier in the thread, I think if the Bears offer their two seconds from this year and their first from next year, that’s an appealing offer. A first and a second is also nice.

Now you have some options. First, you need to go into F.A. and get your stop gap quarterback. It’s a great year for that; Brady, Rivers, Tannehill, or Bridgewater. As Parcells says, you can’t just dial 1-800-QUARTERBACK but this is the best year for quarterbacks in free agency in recent memory.

Then, oh what to do with that abundance of picks.

There wouldn’t be enough ammo to go up and get Burrow, but every other QB is in play. You’d probably have to trade up to get Herbert or Tua, but Jordan Love will be available at 17. Eason is also an intriguing prospect in the second round.

Bottom line: it’s much easier to win a Super Bowl when a quarterback still on his rookie contract. Let McCarthy start over with his guy. Let Will McClay take either two firsts and two seconds or their first and three seconds and beef up this squad even further.

Where am I wrong?

DasSchnitzel said:

I'm going to make a brief rant here.

It's never going to happen.

If your next big trade idea or QB solution involves the concept of a franchise tag, followed by letting Dak go in exchange for two first round picks, then just stop.

This isnt about Dak love or hate. There's no way a team gives up two firsts AND agrees to a contract bigger than Dallas has offered. It will never happen. Stop telling us about how we're going to get Dalton/Bridgewater/Rivers/Brady/Aikman/Marino/Montana and also get two first round picks.

Maybe there's a tag and trade. I dont know. But we're not getting two first round picks.

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I agree. And you are right, this isn't about loving or hating Dak, because unless it were for someone like Mahomes or possibly Wilson, I don't think any team would give up 2 firsts for a QB. I don't even think Brady, Brees or Rodgers would get that kind of return because of their age.

As some have said, it may not be impossible because it only takes one team doing something surprising, but the odds of it are so small in my mind that it's not realistic enough to be considered a reasonable topic of discussion.

But...isn't that the market? I was under the impression "the market" was inescapable and teams were forced to pay inflated prices.

Is that not so?

DasSchnitzel said:

I'm going to make a brief rant here.

It's never going to happen.

If your next big trade idea or QB solution involves the concept of a franchise tag, followed by letting Dak go in exchange for two first round picks, then just stop.

This isnt about Dak love or hate. There's no way a team gives up two firsts AND agrees to a contract bigger than Dallas has offered. It will never happen. Stop telling us about how we're going to get Dalton/Bridgewater/Rivers/Brady/Aikman/Marino/Montana and also get two first round picks.

Maybe there's a tag and trade. I dont know. But we're not getting two first round picks.

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Funny thing about the transition tag is it's not set in stone. There is nothing stopping the team that wants to sign Dak from calling the Cowboys ahead of time and trying to negotiate a different price say 2 1sts in exchnge for Dak + a 2nd round pick, these kinds of things have happenned before, 2 st round picks are not a big deal for a team because they would have probably used one of those picks on a QB in the 1st round of the draft anyway, as far as the money goes abviously it would be to a team with some cap space in order for it to work. I don't expect anything like this to happen but it could and has in the past

Buzzbait said:

Irvin88 I like Dak, always have, and I still have hope for him. But if I was any other team looking for a QB, I wouldn't even consider giving up 2 firsts for him. If I wanted to trade 2 firsts, I'd use them to trade up in the draft. But I just don't believe Dak is worth 2 first round picks, or that any team would give that much.

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You wouldn't do it but teams would do it. Just look at what they give up to get QBs. Dak is proven in this league and is still very young.

I believe in Dak. That being said I would strongly consider a high 1st for him. Nothing lower than like pick 15.


Of course that would then require the cowboys to trade up and snag a QB though.


No retreads.

Killerinstinct said:

I wouldn't rule it out. Wash gave up 3 1's and a 2 for RG3
Hou gave up 2 1's and a 2 for an OT

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Yeah but those were players with unknown upsides.

With Dak you know what you will get.

DasSchnitzel said:

I'm going to make a brief rant here.

It's never going to happen.

If your next big trade idea or QB solution involves the concept of a franchise tag, followed by letting Dak go in exchange for two first round picks, then just stop.

This isnt about Dak love or hate. There's no way a team gives up two firsts AND agrees to a contract bigger than Dallas has offered. It will never happen. Stop telling us about how we're going to get Dalton/Bridgewater/Rivers/Brady/Aikman/Marino/Montana and also get two first round picks.

Maybe there's a tag and trade. I dont know. But we're not getting two first round picks.

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IDK Schnitzel.

I would never give up 2 firsts for Dak.

Still i believe there is always one idiot wakeing up in the morning.

if it is offered who takes it? I would ...

Dak NOT getting paid by Cowboys will never happen either which makes this topic futile.

Killerinstinct said:

I wouldn't rule it out. Wash gave up 3 1's and a 2 for RG3
Hou gave up 2 1's and a 2 for an OT

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Both rookies, not for a guy who plays the most expensive position and is due to be paid.

Dak will sign in early March. He told me.