Video: Cowboys made a mistake dragging out Dak’s contract

atlantacowboy · Feb 18, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Dak isn't turning down 30 million dollars or whatever it is.

He already has.

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ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Dak isn't turning down 30 million dollars or whatever it is.

If the ceiling is set, I don't think so either. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. The tag is a one year deal so why just piss that money away if you know you can't make any more then what the Cowboys are offering for 2020?

atlantacowboy · Feb 18, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
This isn't about feeling or pride. A lot of things are said in a negotiation that don't mean a thing. However, if Dak is really a guy who is going to let feeling and pride get in the way of winning, then he's not the QB we need leading our Franchise. The Market is what it is. If Dak believes he is deserving of the highest salary in the League, then he better be able to prove it because that is all about concept. If other GMs don't believe that he is that guy, then he has work to do. It's like the old saying. You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

JMO

Well, there is the problem. Are the cowboys pre-paying for success or doubling down on a Qb whose peaked? It does not appear that Dak is going to take a prove it deal.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Well, there is the problem. Are the cowboys pre-paying for success or doubling down on a Qb whose peaked? It does not appear that Dak is going to take a prove it deal.

I don't see where he has a choice if another team doesn't come up to meet his contract demands.

Bullflop · Feb 18, 2020

Mediocre management and coaching have taken a horrible toll on the Dallas Cowboys and their future. It will require some serious change in the ongoing future for their dreams of Super Bowl contention to materialize. Their inabilities to prevent the exodus of so many free agent players this year are just stark reminders of their continual difficulties. More prudent planning and wise decision making will be required. Dealing with problems once it's too late to do so effectively will hamper any team.

atlantacowboy · Feb 18, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't see where he has a choice if another team doesn't come up to meet his contract demands.

It is not an open market. The only opportunity Dak would have to negotiate with another team with be under a transitional tag, but even that wouldn't be true market value b/c that team would also have to part with 2 first round picks.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
It is not an open market. The only opportunity Dak would have to negotiate with another team with be under a transitional tag, but even that wouldn't be true market value b/c that team would also have to part with 2 first round picks.

Yes, that's what the discussion is predicated on.

kskboys · Feb 18, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't see where he has a choice if another team doesn't come up to meet his contract demands.

That won't happen. If a deal doesn't get done, he'll be tagged.

kskboys · Feb 18, 2020

Bullflop said:
Mediocre management and coaching have taken a horrible toll on the Dallas Cowboys and their future. It will require some serious change in the ongoing future for their dreams of Super Bowl contention to materialize. Their inabilities to prevent the exodus of so many free agent players this year are just stark reminders of their continual difficulties. More prudent planning and wise decision making will be required. Dealing with problems once it's too late to do so effectively will hamper any team.

I agree w/ this, but not necessarily in the same way. The Coop trade should never have been made. It was a kneejerk trade, and now we have to overpay to make it not a one year rental.

The Dak contract neg has been handled badly, but not due to the Cowboys not making an extravagant offer. It's because they've been blabbering way too much yet again. I agree w/ them in not paying him 35 mil/season. He quite simply has not been proven to be worth that yet.

The horrific coaching has definitely played a huge part in this. It has made it so we truly don't know what we have in many areas. Including Dak and Byron.

Now what? I don't know.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

kskboys said:
That won't happen. If a deal doesn't get done, he'll be tagged.

Correct. I don't see him sitting out 10 games if the Cowboys Offer is the highest offer on the table.

CATCH17 · Feb 18, 2020

kskboys said:
I agree w/ this, but not necessarily in the same way. The Coop trade should never have been made. It was a kneejerk trade, and now we have to overpay to make it not a one year rental.

The Dak contract neg has been handled badly, but not due to the Cowboys not making an extravagant offer. It's because they've been blabbering way too much yet again. I agree w/ them in not paying him 35 mil/season. He quite simply has not been proven to be worth that yet.

The horrific coaching has definitely played a huge part in this. It has made it so we truly don't know what we have in many areas. Including Dak and Byron.

Now what? I don't know.

I heard some stats on the radio yesterday too that showed Dak’s numbers drastically increasing with Cooper on the field.

I hate that we’re about to lock ourselves into players that couldn’t get it done on rookie deals.

Bullflop · Feb 18, 2020

kskboys said:
I agree w/ this, but not necessarily in the same way. The Coop trade should never have been made. It was a kneejerk trade, and now we have to overpay to make it not a one year rental.

The Dak contract neg has been handled badly, but not due to the Cowboys not making an extravagant offer. It's because they've been blabbering way too much yet again. I agree w/ them in not paying him 35 mil/season. He quite simply has not been proven to be worth that yet.

The horrific coaching has definitely played a huge part in this. It has made it so we truly don't know what we have in many areas. Including Dak and Byron.

Now what? I don't know.

Yes, to start with, the Cooper trade shouldn't have been so desperate, to settle their great need for a legitimate #1 WR. The FO faltered badly in making their WR additions in years previous to trading for Cooper. I agree that the coaching under Jason Garrett was highly inadequate as well. Hopefully, Mike McCarthy and his crew might somehow manage to do better. Maybe he'll help to instill better reasoning within their leadership. I sure hope so.

Dak seems headed for a franchise tag, unless the Cowboys pay dearly for his services. The FO was also at fault, imho, for failing to resolve the issue of having so many FAs requiring their contracts to be resolved all at once. Better money management might otherwise have prevented that mess from happening. Overpaying so many over the hill and average vets in the past has seemingly caught up with them, at long last. Good luck with that.

LetsBeReal · Feb 18, 2020

I personally think the cowboys have done exactly what they should have done in Daks first 4 years in the league. It didn’t work.

Time to cut ties and wish each other good luck

Hennessy_King · Feb 19, 2020

LetsBeReal said:
I personally think the cowboys have done exactly what they should have done in Daks first 4 years in the league. It didn’t work.

Time to cut ties and wish each other good luck

And get absolutely nothing back from a guy you hit the lotto on in the 4th round and have only paid him 2.5 million over 4 years. My goodness we gotta start looking at the education systems in the south its scary

CowboyinMD · Feb 19, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
And get absolutely nothing back from a guy you hit the lotto on in the 4th round and have only paid him 2.5 million over 4 years. My goodness we gotta start looking at the education systems in the south its scary

Hit the lotto?

Hyperbole much? Look, Dak is good. But seeing him against tough competition, i.e. the Rams playoff game and, gee I dunno, the game in Philly with NFCE title implications...

That doesn't inspire me to pay the man 40 mil plus a year. See Kirk Cousins. Dak isn't as accurate as one would like, and doesn't use his legs enough either.

...and don't blame the coaching staff for this either. Craig Morton was "meh" too, and never audibled. Roger Staubach had the same crappy playcalling, but he was better, and he actually audibled.

G2 · Feb 19, 2020

CowboyinMD said:
Hit the lotto?

Hyperbole much? Look, Dak is good. But seeing him against tough competition, i.e. the Rams playoff game and, gee I dunno, the game in Philly with NFCE title implications...

That doesn't inspire me to pay the man 40 mil plus a year. See Kirk Cousins. Dak isn't as accurate as one would like, and doesn't use his legs enough either.

...and don't blame the coaching staff for this either. Craig Morton was "meh" too, and never audibled. Roger Staubach had the same crappy playcalling, but he was better, and he actually audibled.

His body of work should impress fans. I guess if you cherry pick a couple bad games you can attempt to discredit Prescott. Not to mention it's disingenuous to suggest Prescott ALONE can't compete with tough competition.
He clearly outperformed Goff in the playoff game and how was our run game?

CowboyinMD · Feb 19, 2020

Streetwise said:
His body of work should impress fans. I guess if you cherry pick a couple bad games you can attempt to discredit Prescott. Not to mention it's disingenuous to suggest Prescott ALONE can't compete with tough competition.
He clearly outperformed Goff in the playoff game and how was our run game?

How was our run game? With the millions given to Zeke and our OL, it better be good, no?? Unless, of course, defenses, at least the teams with winning records we faced, decided to bottle up the run and make Dak beat you. How did that work out?

I'm not "cherry picking" anything. Pray tell me Dak's record against teams above .500. Dak is a good QB and a good dude. But he's not a $30 mil/year QB, let alone 40. He is better than Goff, but who says Dallas has to make the same financial mistake the Rams did with Goff?

And look, we already overpaid for Zeke. So let's follow up one financial blunder with another? Sorry, I'll pass.

G2 · Feb 19, 2020

CowboyinMD said:
How was our run game? With the millions given to Zeke and our OL, it better be good, no?? Unless, of course, defenses, at least the teams with winning records we faced, decided to bottle up the run and make Dak beat you. How did that work out?

I'm not "cherry picking" anything. Pray tell me Dak's record against teams above .500. Dak is a good QB and a good dude. But he's not a $30 mil/year QB, let alone 40. He is better than Goff, but who says Dallas has to make the same financial mistake the Rams did with Goff?

And look, we already overpaid for Zeke. So let's follow up one financial blunder with another? Sorry, I'll pass.

I'm putting that on my list of misused phrases. Now, go do all the other QBs. Because that's how it works. Teams have a harder time against better teams. It's a ridiculous point to cling to. So is "putting the team on his shoulders." Because that's what you are suggesting. Prescott is supposed to "make players around him better." It's a team sport. I am fine with bringing up poor performances (which also happens to EVERY QB), but when you don't focus on how other QBs are across the league fans tend to over-analyse.
And yes. That's cherry picking.

CowboyinMD · Feb 19, 2020

I just don't think it's worth crippling this franchise financially, stifling the ability to make meaningful additions due to cap restraints imposed on paying one guy, a good not great, second tier NFL QB 40 mil per year.

Just ask yourself, going into his 4th year, do you envision Dak taking this team to the promised land? Hell, after Aikman's 3rd year, 1991, I had ZERO doubts.

morat1959 · Feb 19, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
And get absolutely nothing back from a guy you hit the lotto on in the 4th round and have only paid him 2.5 million over 4 years. My goodness we gotta start looking at the education systems in the south its scary

Must have been a $1 scratch off worth $500.

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