Cowboys blew their best window to win with Sensational Rookies

Aviano90 said:

I get it, but drafting a RB that high sort of negates a lot of the savings a rookie deal typically provides relative to other positions on the field. For example, Wentz got a 4 year $26.7 million rookie contract ($6.67 mil/year). His new contract pays him 4 year $128 million ($32 million/year). So his rookie deal he was only making 20.8% of what he is making now.

Compare that to Zeke. He made an average of $6.2 mil/year on his rookie deal and is increasing to $15 mil/year. He got paid 41.5% of his current value as a rookie. That's double the worth of a QB drafted just ahead of him.

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A rookie QB is absolutely the best contract in the NFL b/c the position has such a high ceiling. No argument here. I was against drafting Zeke. I was against paying him when he held out......... not a zeke fan.

atlantacowboy said:

Do you watch football games or just red the stat page?

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I watch everything keenly. You should try it.

America's Cowboy said:

I watch everything keenly. You should try it.

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Pretty sure, after reading your drivel, that nobody believes it.

atlantacowboy said:

Pretty sure, after reading your drivel, that nobody believes it.

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Oh, I'll create a thread very soon and post information to make you Dakahaters look so ignorant and foolish for y'alls constant and daily Dak blaming/hating.

the cowboys haven't had a coaching staff capable of winning a championship since 2007 jerry has is faults in the thing but his coaches have flat out sucked in the last several years

Diehardblues said:

We all knew while under their Rookie contracts was the best window to win with Dak and Zeke.

As we’ve discussed in other threads once you pay your QB it lessens the opportunity to win a championship as best chance is under their Rookie contract because of the ability to surround them with a stronger supporting cast.

If you strongly believe in this then I don’t see the argument in wanting to sign Dak to a contract that’s going to lessen our chances to win a championship.

We should be looking for the next best Rookie QB we can land so we can continue providing the type of supporting cast we’ve had while possibly attempting to upgrade some of its weaknesses.

And if we miss on our next Rookie QB then it will place us in a higher draft slot the next time.

It’s not like we are leaving championships behind us. We’ve missed the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons. I’m not sure the attachment considering how paying him will lessen our chances moving forward. I’m only left with some kind of emotional attachment not what’s best for Cowboys Football.

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You guys love to have it both ways. On one hand you will say, "In 2016, Dak Prescott stepped into the most talented team ever..." yet now assert that "If we pay Dak, the Cowboys will not be able to form a talented roster with his salary."

So we do understand that in 2016, Tony Romo was being paid franchise QB money, right? We do understand that Dallas figured out a way to give "Dak the most talented team ever in 2016" while Tony Romo's massive salary was on the books, right?

Give it a rest. If Dallas figured out a way to compete with Tony Romo's massive deal on the books, if Dak Prescott figured out a way to play with Tony Romo's massive deal on the books in 2016 to 2019...We can figure out a way to give Dak Prescott his money and still have "the most talented ever."

Sevenup3000 said:

You guys love to have it both ways. On one hand you will say, "In 2016, Dak Prescott stepped into the most talented team ever..." yet now assert that "If we pay Dak, the Cowboys will not be able to form a talented roster with his salary."

So we do understand that in 2016, Tony Romo was being paid franchise QB money, right? We do understand that Dallas figured out a way to give "Dak the most talented team ever in 2016" while Tony Romo's massive salary was on the books, right?

Give it a rest. If Dallas figured out a way to compete with Tony Romo's massive deal on the books, if Dak Prescott figured out a way to play with Tony Romo's massive deal on the books in 2016 to 2019...We can figure out a way to give Dak Prescott his money and still have "the most talented ever."

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Competing is one thing. Winning a SB is quite another. And this wasn’t intended just for Dak.

There’s hard evidence that supports how difficult it is for all NFL teams to win a SB after paying their QB.

HowardC said:

There is enough blame for both of them.

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We didn’t expect Garrett to fire himself? Lol

Scotman said:

I've read the stuff you've posted here in that regard. Had I not seen the statistics you've posted, I would have KNOWN that you were wrong.

My argument against Dak getting the big payday is that I truly don't think it's in his best financial interested. Forget about his value, or perceived value, or market price. Let's say he signs for 20 instead of 35. 15 million dollar a year difference. If I were his agent, I'd recommend he take the lower rate with the agreement that the Cowboy's front office and Dak go on the world speaking tour touting his team-first attitude. There's NO WAY that he doesn't make that money up and a lot more in sponsorships. Additionally, his career has an incredible chance of being a lot better because the team around him could be more competitive. Not to mention...20 million a year is generational wealth in its own right.

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I definitely agree.

Diehardblues said:

And if we continue putting the bulk of our cap on offense going to be difficult to bolster the defense unless we hit it big in draft which defensively we’ve missed more than hitting.

No, if this QB and offense can’t carry us with the investment we are making with it then we are screwed.

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We paid 100 million to a DE that barely sees the field. Who else on the defense is worth investing in currently? Bunch of average players. Free agency even when we have the money we dumpster dive instead of paying for real talent. i mean we have had undrafted guys starting at DT every year. Our first round picks on defense have been duds. Going all the way back to mo claiborne.. And if I were Dak I would take 28-30 million a year for 6 years if it was all 100% guaranteed. If not then i want a higher aav

aikemirv said:

Obviously '16 was a blown chance. Jerry should have made more investment in the secondary that year. It was one of those things where "happy with our guys" cost us.

18 was also blown and that was pure coaching IMO.

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How the defensive coaching staff survived after 2018 was amazing. We 100% make the playoffs this past season with a new staff on defense and special teams

Diehardblues said:

We all knew while under their Rookie contracts was the best window to win with Dak and Zeke.

As we’ve discussed in other threads once you pay your QB it lessens the opportunity to win a championship as best chance is under their Rookie contract because of the ability to surround them with a stronger supporting cast.

If you strongly believe in this then I don’t see the argument in wanting to sign Dak to a contract that’s going to lessen our chances to win a championship.

We should be looking for the next best Rookie QB we can land so we can continue providing the type of supporting cast we’ve had while possibly attempting to upgrade some of its weaknesses.

And if we miss on our next Rookie QB then it will place us in a higher draft slot the next time.

It’s not like we are leaving championships behind us. We’ve missed the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons. I’m not sure the attachment considering how paying him will lessen our chances moving forward. I’m only left with some kind of emotional attachment not what’s best for Cowboys Football.

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Nice post. The longer this drags out, the more I'm prone to lean this way....drafting a QB and looking at FAs "just in case." Before I get labeled a Dak hater, I have actually been a big fan of his here and his intangibles. Have expressed it many times. My deal is money and where else it can be spent to surround someone vs giving in and saying "this is the market." It's not my money and the FO has the experience to figure things out...but it doesn't make sense to me.

Diehardblues said:

There’s hard evidence that supports how difficult it is for all NFL teams to win a SB after paying their QB.

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You keep parroting that there's hard evidence and haven't offered any.

Streetwise said:

You keep parroting that there's hard evidence and haven't offered any.

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We were discussing it in the thread “ what’s the maximum amount can pay a QB and still win a SB”. Which spurred this thought and thread.

It was determined that once teams pay their QB very few teams win a SB after that in Cap era.

It’s actually fairly easy to make that determination and draw some conclusions however opinionated they are.

“With Aaron Rodgers now eliminated from winning the Super Bowl, it means that Steve Young’s record as the highest salary cap clogging QB to win a Super Bowl remains intact. Young’s cap figure that season took up 13.1% of the 49ers salary cap. That year was 1994, the first year the salary cap was in existence. So in 20 years no Super Bowl winning team has invested a higher percentage of their cap on a QB than the first team to ever win one in the cap era. Yet teams continue to pour more and more money into that position each season.

Since Young’s championship in 1994, only three other quarterbacks have eaten up 10% of their teams salary cap- Eli Manning in 2011 (11.7%), Peyton Manning in 2006 (10.4%), and Brett Favre in 1996 (10.2%). The average spend on a Super Bowl QB has been just 6.4%. If Brady wins the Super Bowl his cap percentage will fit between the Manning brothers at 11.1%. Russell Wilson’s 0.49% would rank below all others except for Brady in 2001 who cost just 0.47% of the Patriots salary cap. If Brady wins he will become just the fourth QB to win a title after signing a large contract extension. The others to do so were the Manning’s and Ben Rothleisburger. “
https://overthecap.com/super-bowl-titles-high-salary-quarterbacks/

cowboyblue22 said:

the cowboys haven't had a coaching staff capable of winning a championship since 2007 jerry has is faults in the thing but his coaches have flat out sucked in the last several years

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It's all Jerry's fault. Who do you think is responsible for the coaching staff?

Diehardblues said:

We were discussing it in the thread “ what’s the maximum amount can pay a QB and still win a SB”. Which spurred this thought and thread.

It was determined that once teams pay their QB very few teams win a SB after that in Cap era.

It’s actually fairly easy to make that determination and draw some conclusions however opinionated they are.

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what is the minimum you can pay a qb and still win a superbowl??

Sevenup3000 said:

You guys love to have it both ways. On one hand you will say, "In 2016, Dak Prescott stepped into the most talented team ever..." yet now assert that "If we pay Dak, the Cowboys will not be able to form a talented roster with his salary."

So we do understand that in 2016, Tony Romo was being paid franchise QB money, right? We do understand that Dallas figured out a way to give "Dak the most talented team ever in 2016" while Tony Romo's massive salary was on the books, right?

Give it a rest. If Dallas figured out a way to compete with Tony Romo's massive deal on the books, if Dak Prescott figured out a way to play with Tony Romo's massive deal on the books in 2016 to 2019...We can figure out a way to give Dak Prescott his money and still have "the most talented ever."

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No, we can't. No one has figured it out yet, why do you believe that we suddenly will?

cern said:

what is the minimum you can pay a qb and still win a superbowl??

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Offhand, I'd say around 10% of the cap.

Hold it.....minimum. That's easy, NFL min.

cern said:

what is the minimum you can pay a qb and still win a superbowl??

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I provided a link a couple post above . It appears that only 4QB in cap era have won a SB which accounted for more than 10% of the teams Cap.