Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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Aviano90 said:
Lol. They were just 2 examples of who they could have signed. If you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever you would know that because I also mentioned previously they could have gotten several safeties on the cheap. An example to that would be Honey Badger who had played for the Texans and then Chiefs. But the reality is there is no example that I would give that you wouldn’t do the same thing trash because you are hell bent on thinking the Cowboys made the right moves. But I at least wanted to give you the courtesy of answering your question although I knew exactly why you were doing it.

But you intentionally miss the point or you are too stupid (neither one is good) and go off on rants creating strawman arguments. You act like you understand the cap but you don’t. You are not a pocket protecting nerd, you just a little wuss afraid of the team spending some cap dollars.
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Here the answer to your "they could have gotten several safeties on the cheap". Have you ever heard of the old saying of you get what you pay for? If players can be gotten for that cheap, then there are reasons that they are that cheap and certainly it's VERY questionable that they are ANY kind of improvement to what the Cowboys already had. Oh ya I do 10,000% trust professional coaches and scouts over ANY wannabe scout/GM.

When you continue with your cap knowledge you make me laugh and wonder if you really are someone in grade school or someone with just the mentality of someone in grade school that also has a drug problem. If you really think that to continue to renegotiating contracts that just puts dead money on the cap down the road leaving very little actual cap space and repeating that cycle every year you are in an EXTREMELY tiny minority that think that is the smart way to control and manage their cap.

I honestly can't decide which you are worse at. Your evaluating of players or your understanding of the cap. They're both terrible and a toss up which one is worse.

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gjkoeppen said:
Here the answer to your "they could have gotten several safeties on the cheap". Have you ever heard of the old saying of you get what you pay for? If players can be gotten for that cheap, then there are reasons that they are that cheap and certainly it's VERY questionable that they are ANY kind of improvement to what the Cowboys already had. Oh ya I do 10,000% trust professional coaches and scouts over ANY wannabe scout/GM.

When you continue with your cap knowledge you make me laugh and wonder if you really are someone in grade school or someone with just the mentality of someone in grade school that also has a drug problem. If you really think that to continue to renegotiating contracts that just puts dead money on the cap down the road leaving very little actual cap space and repeating that cycle every year you are in an EXTREMELY tiny minority that think that is the smart way to control and manage their cap.

I honestly can't decide which you are worse at. Your evaluating of players or your understanding of the cap. They're both terrible and a toss up which one is worse.

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You keep on saying crap like when you continue with your cap knowledge you make me laugh. I haven't even discussed the cap in any detail. I can guarantee I understand the cap better than you and know the ins and outs of it better than you. You are simply a mess who takes a vague statement and goes off on a rant. You keep on mentioning "cap hell". The team doesn't need $77 milliion in cap space to not be in cap hell. Signing a free agent the last 2 years wouldn't have put us into "cap hell".

Aren't you the moron who claimed Murray fumbled twice in the 2014 playoff game?
 
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Aviano90 said:
You keep on saying crap like when you continue with your cap knowledge you make me laugh. I haven't even discussed the cap in any detail. I can guarantee I understand the cap better than you and know the ins and outs of it better than you. You are simply a mess who takes a vague statement and goes off on a rant. You keep on mentioning "cap hell". The team doesn't need $77 milliion in cap space to not be in cap hell. Signing a free agent the last 2 years wouldn't have put us into "cap hell".

Aren't you the moron who claimed Murray fumbled twice in the 2014 playoff game?
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See you proved again that you have a reading, comprehension and memory problem. Here's a little refresher for you. You said that the Cowboys could have in past years signed some other players if the renegotiated some contracts. That right htere proves two things. your lack of memory and two your total lack of understanding good cap management. Now you reading problem come from at NO TIME did I say or imply that THIS season when the Cowboys have 73 mil did I say that this season the Cowboys are in cap hell. The comprehension problem comes from not understanding that i say and it is fact that the Cowboys had been in cap hell until this season since the cap started. I know this is probably going to be over you head in understanding but I'm going to try anyways. The cap space the Cowboys have this season is many time more, here's the part you probably won't get, it's more both dollar wise and percentage wise than ANY previous year from the time the cap started through today.

In past seasons the Cowboys did sign so free agents but to do so they had to cut some player(s) and/r lest players they would have wanted to keep walk away and renegotiate some contracts. Wait that was that vicious cycle that you like so much but but those that actually understand the cap know that as a sure way to kill a teams to ever really get better because they have to trade off letting two players walk to sign one player and then still have to renegotiate contracts.

Please spare us that you know all the ins and outs of the caps because you've proved over and over that you don't.
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Dak_Attack_09 said:
5,000 yards 30 TDs, L
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Preface....I like Dak and have defended him here.

But you have to go beyond these stats. They led to 8-8. Not all his fault obviously. But in todays NFL you could have a suck team and a good QB and he could light it up. I don't have it in front of me but I'd bet almost half the QBs this year had more yards than Aikman in a season. Different style of play. Overall, what have we gotten? You have to look at the record vs teams over .500 etc. My theory is that Garrett screwed us a lot and I'd like to see Dak under MM. But that doesn't mean I want to pay him Top 5. We've won nothing.
 

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George said:
I like Dak but he’s not worth more than 15 M to me. We need other players to get to the SB and that is going to cost us. Why do you think the Pats get there? It’s because the Pats watch their spending. Dak doesn’t win the come from behind games. Dak produces stats. Dak has had the advantage of having great OLs. Dak is not worth it. Get someone else.
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its not that NE watches their spending. its that they have one of the best all time coaches, perhaps the best ever....that makes a huge difference.

in this league its about QBs, without a QB, you will have a heck of a time winning. even this past superbowl proved it.

now, we may balk at the numbers, but in two years and with the new CBA, 35-40 mill will seem average for a starting QB....Ryan got 30 and people went whhhhaaatt? COusins got 27 a year and people went whaaaatttt! Russell got north of 30 and people are going oh shhhiiitttt whaaattt...its the way it is......

and its about winning championships not feeling good that I didn't over pay a player by 3 or 4 mill a year. if there is an option better than Dak, then I am all for it, but don't say Dalton or Bridgewater unless you can back it up with performance and output and why....
 

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TwentyOne said:
1. Get Brady for 3 years.

2. Draft a QB in the first round.

3. Bring new QB along under Brady and in the meantime enjoy 1 or 2 SB wins.

PS: Yes. This team is lacking only in one position.
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at some point brady's performance will drop no matter how invincible he seems. in fact this past year was seemingly the beginning. plus he won't win anything next year, at 43. new system. new team. new coaches for everyone. not just brady. no way we win next year. so the year after he will be 44. if everything goes according to plan and everything falls in place, then that's the year.... and at 45...not sure I want a 45 year old QB and what chance it gives us. plus brady aint' going to be cheap....

and who will you draft and groom? guarantee me that the rookie is going to learn and be good. give a name, not just an idea.
 

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Streetwise said:
You suggest that Prescott isn't a franchise QB, but then say get two 1st round picks for him?
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don't you know, these fans think we are the only ones who know and the other teams' front offices don't know enough about our players and if its our garbage, its gold to another team....these fans are the only ones who know...
 

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TwentyOne said:
I watched every game big dog. And yes the defense was underperforming and special teams were awful.

Still with a QB like Rodgers or Mahomes this team would have won the SB.

Because i also do think the downfall of our defense was because the ineptitude of the offense and that because of the QB position.

There were high excpectations. And those weren't just felt by us fans. Players also had those. And as a player when you watch your QB play the way he played in games like against the Jet, Bills, Patriots, Bears and especially Phily you would have lost your hope too.

Again. Expectiations werent 8-8 or just reaching the playoffs. It was SB or bust. Players had that in mind too. And when they finally accepted that this QB would not carry them to the promised land they decided that giving effort would avail to nothing.
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I don't think with a QB like Rodgers we would have, given Rodgers with his team, better defense, better running game and better special teams didn't win it neither!!! hmmm

and Mahomes is special. but he also had some nice weapons. I think it came down to their defense stepping up as well.....it wasn't just Mahomes...our defense sucked. our special teams were the worst in the league. we may have made it to the play offs, but you are way dreaming if you think we would have won the SB...


the high expectations were by the fans as marketed by Jerry. we were slated to be second in our own division by many pundits prior to start of season and many guess us to be about a 9-7 team.....
 

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doomsday9084 said:
Counterpoint:

In the salary cap era, I think there have been only two QB's to win a super bowl on full fair market value contracts. Eli and Peyton. Every other team to win, including this year, was a rookie deal, on the Brady discount or kind of a reserve type picked up as filler. My elite QB making $5m per year is always going to beat your elite QB making $35m. For other positions, that's a ridiculous amount of money to acquire and keep talent.

Dallas already overpaid Zeke, Tank and Jaylon. They have an aging O-line paid very well. Add in Dak at $35m per year and the Cowboys simply don't have the cap room to put together a team that can compete with the other top organizations. Unless you think Jerry is about to become a super genius GM who can fill out a roster with great players on a shoestring budget, the Cowboys are basically screwed.

Trading Dak and picking up a FA QB probably isn't going to work. Let's be honest. That said, keeping Dak at $35m per year isn't going to work either AND it locks you in like that for . . . years. Its the Romo contract that broke up the Cowboys all over again.
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you are wrong
new England also won with Brady so its not just Eli and Peyton. Brees also won. Baltimore won. packers won. Pittsburgh won. tampa bay won.


its been the trend lately, since there is a changing of the guards with all the new QBs coming to the league. but you can't quit and just restart because you didn't win it with your QB in their rookie year, since there will only be 5 years and thus at most 5 teams can win the superbowl. nobody pushes the reset button after 5 years.....do you think that Seattle shouldn't have resigned Russell and restart again? Mahomes will be up for a contract next year, should they just push the restart button?

all these teams have to figure out a way to deal with highly paid QBs and find the winnign formula. we are not alone.....that's the next waive of how things will work out
 

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Dodger12 said:
The question is if Dak is worth the money he's asking, not necessarily if there are better options out there. Are there other QB's that could have taken us to 8 and 8? We sat at home for the payoffs and are debating giving our QB upwards of $40 million per season. It's pretty ridiculous.
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was 8-8 solely on him? coaching. defense. special teams. could other QBs take us to 8-8? or could they have done worse? lets not just focus on 8-8 and non of the other factors. we and I mean almost 99.9% of this board complained about garrett, Marinelli and our special teams.
 

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basel90 said:
Stafford and Brady and rivers are better QBs than Dak . Actually it would also be better to get a new QB from the draft and spend 2020 cap money on fixing the D , while grooming a good rookie for 2021 and beyond .
bottom line , Dak won’t lead the cowboys to a Super Bowl . Just look at his performances in 2019 and 2018 . He chokes often and isn’t accurate at all behind the best OL and an elite RB . Jerry and Stephen got him he premier WR in 2019 and he still choked. What makes you think he is worthy? And yes Romo was a better QB hands down .
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Stafford is got back problems. he hasnt' won squat with his team and through the years he has had some weapons. looking at records, output etc. dak is now out performing him
brady is 42, will be 43....if everything falls in place in one year then is he going to be able to lead a team to a SB at 44!!!
and Rivers has sucked for the past 2 years, you must be thinking of the rivers from 5 or 6 years ago.

and none of those guys will be much cheaper than Dak...
 

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CATCH17 said:
Padding stats against the Giants & Commanders L.. 14 TD's against those 2 teams.. L

2-7 record and not stepping up in big games L.
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I did an analysis. looking at that in a vaccum is not going to be the right way to evaluate. I compared it to Tom Brady, Rodgers and couple of others and most of their damage was done against 2-3 teams as well.
 
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VaqueroTD said:
Every day I read a new thread about that QB who is going to somehow make us look like a genius for not signing Dak.

-- Matthew Stafford? Didn't anyone learn with Aikman what happens to an immobile QB over 30 with a bad back?
-- Teddy Bridgewater? How many games has he proven himself in his career since 2015? You realize he never threw more than 14 TDs a year before his injury?
-- Philip Rivers? He almost threw more interceptions than TDs in his worst year ever. He was booed out of the stadium by his own fans his last game!
-- Tom Brady? He turns 43 this year! I repeat, he turns 43! I didn't even trust myself jumping off my truck tailgate at 43. Nevermind a QB in the NFL!
-- Insert whichever QB is the flavor of the moment.

Here we have a 26 year old QB about to enter the prime of his career. Except for one sophomore slump, he has pulled in terrific numbers and wins every year. I won't post the repeat stat threads that show how Dak lines up well against all the recent great QBs in most significant stats and wins numbers. He's not a choker in the Playoffs. He just got done with a record year on a team that had given up on its head coach, and oh yeah, he tried to close it out with more than one significant injury. We'll never see him in a rape or wife beater headline, we'll never see the team give up on him or him isolate them with his primadonna act. He IS high grade quality individual, tough as nails, and this is about as safe a contract as you can gamble on.

You want to rally against him because he won't sign for the same as the last QB free agent? Fine. But look at the competition above. His agent isn't stupid. Someone will pony up $40 million a year for Dak. He is the only one on the list who guarantees you 7 years of a franchise QB.

If you want to have a serious QB debate, why not talk about some 2nd-4th round draft pick bargains that could become the next... gulp... Dak! Just in case we have to franchise him and it goes south. I look forward to someone telling me who that next hidden draft pick is who could play Tony Romo into retirement.
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I would bet that most of the fanbase doesn't care,, that's only because most of the fan base doesn't have a clue about managing the cap and all the other intangibles involved in building a successful franchise, they just want to be entertained on gameday.
 
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