The Full Scope Of Dak’s Leverage

Northern_Cowboy · Feb 20, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
I think the snag is that Dak has said he won't play on a tag. Jerry showed his soft negotiating underbelly last year caving to DLAW and then Zeke. Dak knows all he has to do is go to Cabo to get paid what he wants. We are among the worst managed teams in the NFL.

Jerry did make a mistake caving in to Zeke but D-Law did play one year under the tag (before his big deal) and had a pretty good season, Jerry didn't have much choice at that point and had to give him the contract he wanted

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 20, 2020

Texas_Pete said:
Speculation by Bobby Belt

Short on years but a lot of guaranteed $$.

If this is how it goes down, deal or no deal Zoners? I say deal.

Cowboys would be stupid to do that deal IMO but hey, sometimes they do stupid stuff. 34 mil guaranteed annually plus they invite another situation where Dak and his representation are back at the table in 3 years. I think that would be a mistake but who knows?

ChronicCowboy · Feb 20, 2020

Tag his ***...by the end of 2021 we’ll want a new QB anyway.

And the team doesn’t need to trade him to get draft picks. The franchise tag takes care of that as well.

Dak has some leverage but it’s by no means one sided.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 20, 2020

Chuck 54 said:
Starting caliber QB’s, especially young ones with whom your team won the division 2 of 4 years, ones who have even more growth potential, will always have all the leverage with any owner who wants to field a competitive team. Every team in the NFL knows how close they can all be to facing a decade or more searching for the next QB worthy of this contract fight. It just ain’t as easy as some fans think. You can be back in the Palleur, Hogeboom, Carter, Henson abyss faster than you can imagine.

I don't think that's the case Chuck. I mean, yeah, I agree that you can find yourself looking for a QB but the situation with Pelleur, Hogeboom was different then the situation with Carter, Henson. Pelleur and Hogeboom was a by product of winning for 20 years straight and then having Danny White suffer a career threatening injury. That could happen at any time, regardless of whether Dak is signed or not because you can't control injury. Keep in mind that after the 88 Season, Coach Landry's plan was to draft Troy Aikman and make him our starter so the end result would have probably been similar, regardless. The situation with Carter and Henson was a by product of exactly what we are discussing with Dak now. That situation came about because we didn't manage our cap very well. We gave out way too many untenable contracts and when the bill came due, we ended up having to deal with players like Carter and Henson. That was because we didn't take a strong position on salaries. This is why so many fans don't want to see us take the position of "just pay the man".

That's just my opinion.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 20, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
eh, Joey assumes Dallas will refuse to cover themselves in the next 2 months with a veteran QB. There are a number of free agent QB's who can come in here and be successful surrounded by as much talent as Dak has had. Or, here's a crazy thought.......draft a QB. We won 13 games with Dak as a rookie. So, you can't say it can't be done with the coaches managing the playbook.

Exactly. He makes these assumptions based on a situation where the variables are static. That's simply not the case. There are options out there and it's foolish, IMO, to just accept those assumptions as fact. They aren't. The team could make decision to change that dynamic and particularly this year. There are a lot of potential options out there this year at QB. It's a question of how much Jerry wants Dak. That's what it really comes down to because if Jerry decides that we can move on and explore options, they are definitely out there and all of Dak's leverage goes out the window.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 20, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Dak's only leverage if he gets tagged is to sign it right away and then report to all mini camps training camp etc to learn McCarthy's new offense, giving himself the best opportunity to shine next season and force the Cowboys hand into giving him an even bigger deal than he wants right now. If he gets tagged and holds out he risks falling behind (also the Cowboys picking up a veteran QB or taking one in the draft) not learning the offense properly and not having a great season at which point all his leverage for a new deal goes out the window and may also force the Cowboys into looking elsewhere. If it was still JG as the coach and was still his offense than yes sign the tag and hold out for a larger deal but the circumstances are different this year and if he's tagged and holds out he will only hurt himself

Exactly right. This is how I see it as well.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 20, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
I keep reading that Dak wants a 3 year deal so he can take advantage of the next CBA. That makes tagging him vs signing him a zero sum game for the cowboys b/c you can't load up on a signing bonus (like Seattle did with Russel Wilson) and spread out the cap hit over 5 years on a 3 year deal without creating a ton of dead money.

Exactly why a deal that is not team friendly is counter productive for the team, on a short term deal.

Verdict · Feb 20, 2020

jaythecowboy said:
He'll still be plenty rich between the tag and his insurance policy. If he was worried about injury he wouldn't have played for $2 million last year.

Maybe so. It’s hard to get a handle on the Dak situation. Dak has never seemed to be the guy that wants to get the biggest contract in the NFL. But at this point, if the whisper numbers he have been offered are what they are rumored to be, it sure sounds like he wants to be just that.

Without saying if it’s warranted or not, I’m not sure why it’s that big of a deal to be the highest paid ever if it impairs the team around you. I would guess Dak will make WAY more money in endorsements if he gets wealthy but leaves enough on the table to construct a team around him.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 20, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
I think the snag is that Dak has said he won't play on a tag. Jerry showed his soft negotiating underbelly last year caving to DLAW and then Zeke. Dak knows all he has to do is go to Cabo to get paid what he wants. We are among the worst managed teams in the NFL.

Well, I'd expect him to say that but the reality is that if he sits out the season, he hurts himself as much, if not more, as he hurts the team.

Miller · Feb 20, 2020

A lot of this is guess work when it comes to his future...as in 2 years from now teams will be clamoring for him. 2 years is a lot on the NFL landscape. Also, what is Dallas accidentally hits on another mid range QB? Did people see that with Romo when Dak was drafted? Basically that would pull all his leverage. A lot of moving parts here for that Twitter guy to assume all this.

Miller · Feb 20, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Sounds like quite the Dak slobbering fantasy. Dak will play two tag years and then sign for 45 mil per year! Dak has never had a bad season or missed the playoffs and no one ever gets injured so I guess there’s no roadblocks. The future is bright!

BOOM! Said the same above. All of his points are major speculation on an unseen future.

Verdict · Feb 20, 2020

At some point, with every player, there is a point when the team has to take a step back and say, we like you, but your number is far too high. Then the team has to dig in and move forward and make plans to go forward without that player.

QB is the hardest position to fill on the team and while Dak isn’t Tom Brady yet, he is better than most QB substitutes would be. It would have been much better to draw a line in the sand with Tank than Dak. Elliott is also highly paid, but at least he is still performing at a high level. RBs are also easier to replace.

It would have been better to overpay Dak than those guys because of scarcity at the position.

Proof · Feb 20, 2020

817Gill said:
Lol he’s just going through the scenarios man,

If the cowboys do this Dak can do that and etc. At the end of the day he holds the leverage as the roster is currently constructed.

the fact this even needs to be explained is hilarious.

Proof · Feb 20, 2020

TexasFrog said:
BOOM! Said the same above. All of his points are major speculation on an unseen future.

no. some of his points are speculation. the franchise tag scenarios and effective trade vetoing ability are not.

cern · Feb 20, 2020

Killerinstinct said:
Dak only has leverage if Jerry allows it. Being the QB for the Cowboys is the most high profile position in sports. It's not the same in Jacksonville or Indy.

this is secondary to the money. IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY. not the prestige of playing for this or that team.

Proof · Feb 20, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Actually, the worst that I can think of is that he gets tagged, decides to sit out the season and is in the exact same place he is now, a year from today. This guy, as I said earlier, is not a Football guy. He's a marketing/financial guy. So far as I can tell, his opinion is no better then the next guy who is able to post on a board or tweet something to the world.

JMO

just curious, what is a "football guy"

Ranched · Feb 20, 2020

MEANWHILE....

Miller · Feb 20, 2020

Proof said:
no. some of his points are speculation. the franchise tag scenarios and effective trade vetoing ability are not.

Right! But beyond that, you can't just say his leverage rests on health...he was banged up end of last year. You can't just say in 2 years half the league will be lining up to pay him whatever he wants. You don't even know if the Jones family luckily strikes gold twice and gets another rookie QB or a FA that is a stud. The guy is playing this out 3 years and heck, you can't even play out strength of schedule or anything 1 year in todays NFL. That's all I'm saying. He will get paid under the tag two years in one scenario...that is dead right.

csirl · Feb 20, 2020

Only 1 working day left before the front office departs to the combine. Tag date is next Tuesday - while they're away. Then comes free agency etc.

In reality, tomorrow is the last day to get a deal done. After then, the offseason timetable means the front office will need to focus on a lot of other things from this weekend on.

Proof · Feb 20, 2020

TexasFrog said:
Right! But beyond that, you can't just say his leverage rests on health...he was banged up end of last year. You can't just say in 2 years half the league will be lining up to pay him whatever he wants. You don't even know if the Jones family luckily strikes gold twice and gets another rookie QB or a FA that is a stud. The guy is playing this out 3 years and heck, you can't even play out strength of schedule or anything 1 year in todays NFL. That's all I'm saying. He will get paid under the tag two years in one scenario...that is dead right.

agreed. the end becomes a bit fantastical, but as a thought exercise I don't mind where it went.

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