The Full Scope Of Dak’s Leverage

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You are correct, “Dak doesn’t have to play here” and if you think it, the FO has thought it.

with that said, pertaining to the thread, “All of the leverage” makes it seem like he’s a damn UFA. 20 other teams would love have him and that comes with a price that can be attached for at least 2 up to 3 years.

No replacement options argument goes for every team in the NFL.

Jerry isn’t going to? Lol by the way talks has been going, Jerry is plainly saying Dak isn’t worth what he wants. With that in mind, as a successful and prideful business man who loves to gamble, why wouldn’t he see how far this goes? One of the biggest trades, the Herschel Walker debacle worked out. Emotions aside, anything can happen. That includes him signed to a contract, 30-40/year and even not playing here next year.
It just is what it is.
The Cowboys entire leverage is based on paying him 33m this year fully GTD and that's after he skips all of voluntary camp and misses any work on the overall offensive design/strategy.

Starting QBs simply never lose in the market. Not even close.
They all get overpaid.
Winston is likely getting tagged and earning 25M+ this year for leading the free world annually in interceptions.
Teddy B is gonna get 30M+ yearly after starting 6 games in the last FOUR YEARS.
 

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So if there is no guarantee, why should anybody believe that it's in the best interests of the team to overpay for a QB, so to speak? Why should anybody believe that Dak has all of this leverage you are claiming? Why should fans be opposed to the suggestion that it's better to go the other way and save money at QB and turn around and invest that savings on the Defense or some other area? I mean, most fans of Dak believe that he is better then most of the QBs in the playoffs last year. Is there a QB, other then maybe Wilson or Mahomes that you believe is better then Dak? Maybe Rodgers? And yet, 9 to 10 teams managed to get to the playoffs while we sat home. Is it then logical to assume that the reason for this is because their team is better, not necessarily their QB?

Let me just say this as well, if Dak had gone to the Broncos or if he had gone to Raiders, he's likely not starting today. He's certainly not talking about a deal anywhere near this. Dak is lucky because he got drafted onto a loaded team. He fell into it by because both guys ahead of him got themselves injured before the season ever started. For all we know, Cook or Lynch might have enjoyed similar success, had they been able to get drafted by the Cowboys.

Who cares what fans "believe?" The FO doesn't and they will act accordingly. I'm just laying out what is. And when you look at the totality of it all no evidence points to doing anything other than paying Dak to keep the continuity going instead of gambling. An unpopular reality for some but undeniable from where I sit. Just like with Zeke. What fans "hope for" is immaterial.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts some decent team would have collected Cook and Lynch off the scrap heap in case their main guy goes down. Both are available. In fact, why haven't we done it for leverage against Dak? Lol. I think we've both reached the point where we know I'm right about this.
 

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Dak only has leverage if Jerry allows it. Being the QB for the Cowboys is the most high profile position in sports. It's not the same in Jacksonville or Indy.
Tagging Dak for one year while drafting his replacement in the upcoming draft does away with any leverage that Dak thinks he has.
 

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Tagging Dak for one year while drafting his replacement in the upcoming draft does away with any leverage that Dak thinks he has.

Then Dak can sit out and take the chance that the season goes to Hades. Elliott wasn't tagged but how did that strategy work out for him?
 

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Does he or does he have a podcast and website? I think there is a difference when people,are speaking on "football guys". Somebody like Bryan Broadus like or not people would consider a football guy. A Peter King tyoe a football guy not just any ole,person that has a blog and or podcast and it like Ikes stuff that I've heard.
So if there is no guarantee, why should anybody believe that it's in the best interests of the team to overpay for a QB, so to speak? Why should anybody believe that Dak has all of this leverage you are claiming? Why should fans be opposed to the suggestion that it's better to go the other way and save money at QB and turn around and invest that savings on the Defense or some other area? I mean, most fans of Dak believe that he is better then most of the QBs in the playoffs last year. Is there a QB, other then maybe Wilson or Mahomes that you believe is better then Dak? Maybe Rodgers? And yet, 9 to 10 teams managed to get to the playoffs while we sat home. Is it then logical to assume that the reason for this is because their team is better, not necessarily their QB?

Let me just say this as well, if Dak had gone to the Broncos or if he had gone to Raiders, he's likely not starting today. He's certainly not talking about a deal anywhere near this. Dak is lucky because he got drafted onto a loaded team. He fell into it by because both guys ahead of him got themselves injured before the season ever started. For all we know, Cook or Lynch might have enjoyed similar success, had they been able to get drafted by the Cowboys.



gotcha both. He’s not a big time media personality like those guys, but yes he writes for the athletic and USA Today. I’m fairly confident he’s got one with the team, and at worst has a degree of separation via kd Drummond. I’m just saying he’s not an overzealous fan. And that’s not to add credence to his leverage take, just supplying context.
 

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Tagging Dak for one year while drafting his replacement in the upcoming draft does away with any leverage that Dak thinks he has.

Not really. He'll just play under the franchise tag and then get a deal somewhere else the following offseason .
 

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Draft a QB where? First round? You do that and you take away the bluer chip defensive resources we desperately need. If you draft a QB later, then you're getting less of a blue chip QB and lessen the chance of him panning out. The "but, but look at Prescott's story" retort is answered by asking how many times has something like that happened in the NFL, much less to the same team. And we've had it happen twice to us in succession. Not good odds. If the Cowboys play hardball like fans want, chances are you're sacrificing the season or seasonS. That's not what the front office wants and what they want usually wins out. They didn't want to take that chance with Zeke.

This is why Prescott has Zeke-level leverage and way more than the "deniers of his deal" crew want to admit and why they opine more out of their hope than reality. Like Zeke, I think their hopes will get dashed.

I think Dak will get a contract and it’s not the end of the world if we slightly over pay to keep him. I don’t think we can or should pay him $50M though under the current wage scale.

$40m is also too much but survivable. But you can’t pay everyone if you want to field a competitive team.
 

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If Dak snaps a femur or blows out a knee on the tag he is probably going to wish he had signed and been a rich man and moved on.

The time to worry about that was last year, when Dak was only making 2mil. I thought he wasn't going to play for that. I assume he was able to get insured versus injury and did so.

If he played for 2mil last year, I see him playing for 30mil+ guaranteed this year. I expect that he'd *prefer* that, and would rather get a new contract after the new CBA bumps up some other contracts.

Word is that they offered Dak 33 last season, and he declined. All indications are that he feels more than comfortable with injury risk, and sees an advantage to delaying his contract. It's probably the smart play. Especially since the Jones Gang have done nothing to indicate that they're even thinking about alternatives.
 

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Who cares what fans "believe?" The FO doesn't and they will act accordingly. I'm just laying out what is. And when you look at the totality of it all no evidence points to doing anything other than paying Dak to keep the continuity going instead of gambling. An unpopular reality for some but undeniable from where I sit. Just like with Zeke. What fans "hope for" is immaterial.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts some decent team would have collected Cook and Lynch off the scrap heap in case their main guy goes down. Both are available. In fact, why haven't we done it for leverage against Dak? Lol. I think we've both reached the point where we know I'm right about this.

Well, I'm a fan and I care what I think. You are laying out what you think it is, not necessarily what the facts really are. Truth is, we don't really know all the moving parts are. You say paying Dak, well, the Cowboys are paying him right now and have been since he's been in the league so that statement "Pay Dak" is obviously true but it's not a revelation. Of course he will get paid but how much, that's what the real question is. You don't know what that number is and neither do I. You speculating on it is fine but it's not a given. You reference Zeke here but the truth is that the team got what they wanted with Zeke and not the other way around so I do hope that it is like Zeke but again, we don't know that.

This is the problem with society today. All too often, they think the people don't matter. Well, hard lessons are learned around that, down through history. I guess it might be time for those kinds of lessons again. It's unfortunate but if the team, as you say, don't care about what the fans think, I guess there is no option.

Bottom line, you don't know anything more then the next guy but hey, neither do I so it's cool.
 

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gotcha both. He’s not a big time media personality like those guys, but yes he writes for the athletic and USA Today. I’m fairly confident he’s got one with the team, and at worst has a degree of separation via kd Drummond. I’m just saying he’s not an overzealous fan. And that’s not to add credence to his leverage take, just supplying context.

It's all good Proof.
 

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Not really. He'll just play under the franchise tag and then get a deal somewhere else the following offseason .

That is probably true but it doesn't equate to leverage with the Cowboys or even another team. Heck, it doesn't even equate to him actually getting a shot with another team. If he sits out, he's basically in the same situation next year, as he is this year so there is no guarantee that the team would allow him to just leave. Cowboys could just let him sit till he and his agent come to the table. Who knows?
 

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That is probably true but it doesn't equate to leverage with the Cowboys or even another team. Heck, it doesn't even equate to him actually getting a shot with another team. If he sits out, he's basically in the same situation next year, as he is this year so there is no guarantee that the team would allow him to just leave. Cowboys could just let him sit till he and his agent come to the table. Who knows?

That is absolutely leverage over the Cowboys--that if Dak doesn't get an acceptable deal from the Cowboys then he will get it from another team (whether it happens this year or after up to two franchise tags). I didn't say anything about sitting out the season. Dak would be dumb to miss any games. After July 15, they can't change the franchise tag anyway.
 

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That is absolutely leverage over the Cowboys--that if Dak doesn't get an acceptable deal from the Cowboys then he will get it from another team (whether it happens this year or after up to two franchise tags). I didn't say anything about sitting out the season. Dak would be dumb to miss any games. After July 15, they can't change the franchise tag anyway.

No. He has to play in order to put himself in a position to to sign with any other team, unless the Cowboys just grant him his outright release. So is there leverage in two years assuming he gets tagged in succession? Of course, but that's already been covered. Right now, right here, he has as much as Jerry gives him IMO.

OK, I'm out. I'm headed to Colorado today to go snowboarding. Everybody, have a great weekend!

Peace!
 

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No. He has to play in order to put himself in a position to to sign with any other team, unless the Cowboys just grant him his outright release. So is there leverage in two years assuming he gets tagged in succession? Of course, but that's already been covered. Right now, right here, he has as much as Jerry gives him IMO.

OK, I'm out. I'm headed to Colorado today to go snowboarding. Everybody, have a great weekend!

Peace!

I think there is a disconnect somewhere. Why do you keep saying something about Dak not playing? I never said that. Dak will either get an acceptable longterm deal from the Cowboys, or get franchise tagged by the Cowboys, or become a free agent (by many accounts the top free agent). Dak wins under any of those scenarios.
 

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I think there is a disconnect somewhere. Why do you keep saying something about Dak not playing? I never said that. Dak will either get an acceptable longterm deal from the Cowboys, or get franchise tagged by the Cowboys, or become a free agent (by many accounts the top free agent). Dak wins under any of those scenarios.

Because the only hard leverage he really has is to threaten to sit out if he's tagged. So regardless of if you said that or not, the reality is that this is his only real leverage IMO.
 

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You reference Zeke here but the truth is that the team got what they wanted with Zeke and not the other way around ...

This is how it went:

Stephen: "We're not going to be market setters."
Zeke: "Pay me or I'll sit."
Stephen: "Okay. Here's the richest deal for a RB ever."
Zeke: "Okay I'll play now but I feel taken advantage of. Dang."

Yep. The team got what it wanted and Zeke didn't moreso. Uh huh.

This is the problem with society today. All too often, they think the people don't matter. Well, hard lessons are learned around that, down through history. I guess it might be time for those kinds of lessons again. It's unfortunate but if the team, as you say, don't care about what the fans think, I guess there is no option.

Bottom line, you don't know anything more then the next guy but hey, neither do I so it's cool.

Sorry, but yore of yesteryear notwithstanding the only thing society has ever cared about is the business bottom line. People have forever fooled themselves into thinking they have more power than they actually have and it's really just a mental defense strategy for the deep down reality that they are powerless against the big machines of business and government around them. How many people here threaten to not watch the NFL every single year? And yet, here we all are. People can "hope" for defeating these machines all they want but banding together in a nation that encourages independence is a battle that won't be won. And by design, I'd say but now I'm way off course.

Enjoy your trip. Doing my own snow thing this weekend.
 

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This is how it went:

Stephen: "We're not going to be market setters."
Zeke: "Pay me or I'll sit."
Stephen: "Okay. Here's the richest deal for a RB ever."
Zeke: "Okay I'll play now but I feel taken advantage of. Dang."

Yep. The team got what it wanted and Zeke didn't moreso. Uh huh.



Sorry, but yore of yesteryear notwithstanding the only thing society has ever cared about is the business bottom line. People have forever fooled themselves into thinking they have more power than they actually have and it's really just a mental defense strategy for the deep down reality that they are powerless against the big machines of business and government around them. How many people here threaten to not watch the NFL every single year? And yet, here we all are. People can "hope" for defeating these machines all they want but banding together in a nation that encourages independence is a battle that won't be won. And by design, I'd say but now I'm way off course.

Enjoy your trip. Doing my own snow thing this weekend.

In your mind, I'm certain that's exactly how it went but that's not the reality of it. See, here is the problem with speaking to you or anybody with your mind set. You can't take a position that says, yes pay a player but don't do a stupid deal. The deal with Zeke is very team friendly and allows for the team to get out of it in a relatively short period of time. It doesn't break the bank, in terms of guaranteed money and it absolutely is not what Zeke and his representation wanted but sure, believe what you wish. Believe me, my job is definitely not to educate you. Go forward!

The rest of your post is idiotic. You have no idea what I believe or don't believe. This is just your way of trying to defend a indefensible position. It's fine, do whatever you can but it doesn't change the facts. But sure, it's Friday, go ahead and tell your story.

Have a good weekend, I'm off to go snowboard!
 

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The time to worry about that was last year, when Dak was only making 2mil. I thought he wasn't going to play for that. I assume he was able to get insured versus injury and did so.

If he played for 2mil last year, I see him playing for 30mil+ guaranteed this year. I expect that he'd *prefer* that, and would rather get a new contract after the new CBA bumps up some other contracts.

Word is that they offered Dak 33 last season, and he declined. All indications are that he feels more than comfortable with injury risk, and sees an advantage to delaying his contract. It's probably the smart play. Especially since the Jones Gang have done nothing to indicate that they're even thinking about alternatives.

While what has happened so far supports your working theory, I wonder if that is reality? The team probably would have increased his salary last year in return for stretching out the cap hit over several years for his upcoming deal.

Unless Dak is planning on making $40m plus, it MAY have been a mistake for him to not to have signed last year. The team would have probably been more inclined to do a shorter extension for Dak then than they are now because another year is in the books.

I don’t have the answers. I am spit balling just like everyone else. I am just not quite sure what Dak plans to do other than break the bank. If he didn’t plan on breaking the bank his waiting made little sense for him.
 
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