Byron Jones. Is he a key to our new defense?

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when Kris Richard moved Byron to corner, Richard became a genius overnight and Byron went to the pro bowl. barely one year removed from such changes and Richard is gone and many dismissively say sayonara to Byron. we are truly a fickle lot.
 

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Jones played almost as much S in college as CB. He was not a CB coming in, he was a CB/S.

I know, I know, people's agenda. They want to bash the org, so they claim how horrific it was to play Byron at S. It was a good move to see if he could do it.
It wasn't a bad move but one of necessity and the fact he played both made it easier. A lot of CB's get consideration to move to S toward the end of their careers and it doesn't work out well but he's got a leg up on that with his experience in only 5 years. He's one of those players that we can truly call a DB.

It's not losing Jones that is a concern, it's them picking his replacement. The idiots that paid a CB2 CB1 money at 50M are still there. And then they play him out of position. It's that same old bugaboo with these people. We have a need. Does this player best fit that need? No, but we have a need.

And that's the gist of FA every year. We are shocked at what some of these guys get but it is all based on need and supply/demand. Carr might not have been what they wanted but they had to have a SB. Cutest puppy in an ugly litter always gets picked first.
 

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when Kris Richard moved Byron to corner, Richard became a genius overnight and Byron went to the pro bowl. barely one year removed from such changes and Richard is gone and many dismissively say sayonara to Byron. we are truly a fickle lot.
Yes and no. Aside from a few, most people want to keep Jones, but simply see the lunacy in paying a good but not great player great money.
 

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Because D players do not have as much value to this FO. They just don't get the team concept. They want stars a plenty on the O side and think they can get by with those D's. And add to that, they haven't even bothered to get A list D coaching, turned it over to second rate D coaching.

Do we think they ever stopped to ask why one of the two most D oriented HC's in the league didn't want Richard for his rebuild?


That old saying, which holds true time and time again.

Offense sells, Defense wins.
Unfortunately the only thing Jerry takes from that is...sells...so his...sales...go up.

So maybe someone finally will explain, fix the Defense, and WIN, then SALES go up even more. :laugh:
 

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when Kris Richard moved Byron to corner, Richard became a genius overnight and Byron went to the pro bowl. barely one year removed from such changes and Richard is gone and many dismissively say sayonara to Byron. we are truly a fickle lot.

Literally the only reason this forum doesn't like Byron is because of a lack of INT's lol.
 

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It wasn't a bad move but one of necessity and the fact he played both made it easier. A lot of CB's get consideration to move to S toward the end of their careers and it doesn't work out well but he's got a leg up on that with his experience in only 5 years. He's one of those players that we can truly call a DB.

It's not losing Jones that is a concern, it's them picking his replacement. The idiots that paid a CB2 CB1 money at 50M are still there. And then they play him out of position. It's that same old bugaboo with these people. We have a need. Does this player best fit that need? No, but we have a need.

And that's the gist of FA every year. We are shocked at what some of these guys get but it is all based on need and supply/demand. Carr might not have been what they wanted but they had to have a SB. Cutest puppy in an ugly litter always gets picked first.
Yup. It was the fact that we had so misevaluated the S position, we had to play him there immediately. And this was a raw player from a small football school!!!!
 

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Literally the only reason this forum doesn't like Byron is because of a lack of INT's lol.
Yeah, but most fans can't evaluate players. You should've seen the arguments I had over traffic cone Spears. There were actually some fans who thought he was a topnotch player, using the same type of argument used against Byron in reverse, that his position didn't get sacks.
 

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No. They key is to finally get quality disruptive DT's.

Byron would be a nice piece if he didn't cost so durn much.

I agree. getting the pressure up the middle and collapsing the pocket is a big key for the defense. This is why I continue to push for Derrick Brown should he drop in the draft, I would hope Dallas would move up and get him. Brown in my view is a guy who is great vs run but produces a lot of pressure up the middle.
 

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when Kris Richard moved Byron to corner, Richard became a genius overnight and Byron went to the pro bowl. barely one year removed from such changes and Richard is gone and many dismissively say sayonara to Byron. we are truly a fickle lot.
It is a what have you done for me lately world.

His play did fall off from 2018 but he's in a contract year, does that make sense? I would look a little deeper into it than that.

Evaluating that position is pretty easy, they have all the film. How many times was he on the hot WR and how many times did the QB go elsewhere. They already have stats on him forcing the most tight window throws, probably not lost on Schwartz in PHL, in the last 2 seasons.

Byron Jones to me is just like Prescott, if not him then who? And the offense has a hell of a lot better players than the defense and they have Brown up as well.

I liken this Jourdan Lewis Fan Club to the Rico Gathers No Moss bunch.
 

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I agree. getting the pressure up the middle and collapsing the pocket is a big key for the defense. This is why I continue to push for Derrick Brown should he drop in the draft, I would hope Dallas would move up and get him. Brown in my view is a guy who is great vs run but produces a lot of pressure up the middle.

This is the draft to move up in IMO.

Okudah, Herbert, Tua, Kinlaw, Brown, Jeudy, or Lamb.. I'm fine with moving up for any of those guys.. Okudah/Jeudy/Lamb kinda depend on what we do with Byron/Amari.
 

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Clearly. Not sure how we would function without his zero turnovers a year. Ugh. I hate the off season
 

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Byron is the most overrated player on this roster that I could remember
So you wouldn't agree he's the best CB we have had since ... Terrence Newman (early years)?

I just don't see how a guy can perform the way he has the last two years yet most people seem to think he's average and easily replaceable. If you can offer some new reasoning as to why he is overrated, i will happily consider it.
 

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With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.

What a concept.

So now should we keep Jones, give him more options to use him and forget spending a high draft pick trying to find a top safety?

I just believe if we are having to fortify everywhere on defense, it becomes a leaky dam to fix.

And depending on rookies to rescue us is not good.

Landry used to say for every rookie you have starting..

it will cost you 1 game a year.

Hmmmm..

As always..comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanx in advance for your replies?

:starspin::huh::starspin:

I am firmly in the "Don't Pay Big Money to Non-Playmakers" Camp.

I am adamantly against paying the reported $15 million-plus-a-year it would take to keep Byron Jones. He does not make big plays, therefore he should not be paid like someone that does.

I would focus all of my draft assets on restocking and hopefully improving what has been a mediocre to disappointing defensive unit.
 

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With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.


:starspin::huh::starspin:


What competent coach in his right mind is gonna even entertain moving Jones back to safety ?
The two bigger questions is how the Cowboys feel about re-signing Jones and making him among the highest paid CBs in the NFL, basically giving him between 16-18 million.

And if Nolan is gonna scheme his coverage that keeps Jones operating as a press coverage player. He just doesn’t seem like a zone coverage, off line and in space guy.
And the better coaches simply work to the strengths of their better players … the lesser coaches try to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Force a player into his system no matter what and at all cost.
 

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That old saying, which holds true time and time again.

Offense sells, Defense wins.
Unfortunately the only thing Jerry takes from that is...sells...so his...sales...go up.

So maybe someone finally will explain, fix the Defense, and WIN, then SALES go up even more. :laugh:
He's not the only one or the first to be that way. Many owners and teams have gone the O route because putting butts in seats used to be Job 1.

The entertainment side of the game is lost on some and he does have that PT Barnum element in him. He's a promoter and he knew he had the single most polarizing player in the game and made sure he kept him. Fans were going nuts at the Cabo thing but not Booger, he was laughing. Romo on the cover of people with Jessica Simpson, he was ecstatic.

There is a saying those of us in radio used to use a lot. "It's not the records but happens in between them". He applies that to football. It's everything else they must excel at, no other team can approach the Cowboys in coverage, even if they're 4-12, find something to promote.

One of the things I discovered when I had season tickets is that fans like me at that time, it's all about the winning, are not the majority. There was no such thing as a good game that ended in a loss. I watched them to win, not to play. There are a lot like I was here. And there's nothing wrong with that but it is more frustrating. We'd lose the people around us would say "good game" and I wanted to scream at them "NO, IT WASN"T A GOOD GAME, WE LOST"!!! And I would get the "Look" from my wife and all men that have been married know the "Look". If not obeyed, it is followed by :angry:.

I can't fault him for being follow the ball, hell, I'd be that too. These guys are sexy and doing something, these other guys are just trying to stop it, bunch of spoil sports. That's why I'd never consider GMing my own team. I know me, I'd try to please me too much.
 

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shocking isn't it. I couldn't believe they selected Harry last year.
At this level, most are experts. Now, the catch is, they are experts at one area. Belly is the best schemer I've ever witnessed. I personally believe he's the best HC of all time.

Now, just because he's a genius at coaching, that in no way indicates he's a good drafter. That is a completely different skill. He's actually very bad at drafting, if you look over the years. He'll find a gem now and then, of course, but in between his drafts are littered w/ the likes of Harry, Easely, Wheately, Cyrus Jones, Aaron Dobson, Ridley, guys like that.
 
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