Byron Jones. Is he a key to our new defense?

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What competent coach in his right mind is gonna even entertain moving Jones back to safety ?
The two bigger questions is how the Cowboys feel about re-signing Jones and making him among the highest paid CBs in the NFL, basically giving him between 16-18 million.

And if Nolan is gonna scheme his coverage that keeps Jones operating as a press coverage player. He just doesn’t seem like a zone coverage, off line and in space guy.
And the better coaches simply work to the strengths of their better players … the lesser coaches try to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Force a player into his system no matter what and at all cost.
Jones was decent at S. I know this board thinks he was terrible, but he wasn't.
 

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This is the draft to move up in IMO.

Okudah, Herbert, Tua, Kinlaw, Brown, Jeudy, or Lamb.. I'm fine with moving up for any of those guys.. Okudah/Jeudy/Lamb kinda depend on what we do with Byron/Amari.
This draft is WR heavy so they would have a better shot at the WR's. The CB, DE and DT's will be gone in the top 8.
 

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Dak & Coop are the 2 priorities. Unfortunately, the Boys won't be able to keep Jones being his pay sky rocketed after yet again another stellar season.
 

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With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.

What a concept.

So now should we keep Jones, give him more options to use him and forget spending a high draft pick trying to find a top safety?

I just believe if we are having to fortify everywhere on defense, it becomes a leaky dam to fix.

And depending on rookies to rescue us is not good.

Landry used to say for every rookie you have starting..

it will cost you 1 game a year.

Hmmmm..

As always..comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanx in advance for your replies?

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If BJ is “the key” to any defense then that defense is crap
 

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If BJ is “the key” to any defense then that defense is crap
I have to sort of agree. I see Byron as a nice piece, not the key. You don't pay nice pieces top money. We should've learned that w/ Brandon Carr and Crawford.
 

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Byron is the most overrated player on this roster that I could remember
Funny, I would say he's the most under-rated player i've seen in awhile.

He's in his prime, would be the #1 corner on half the teams in the NFL (big deal in a pass happy league), has zero drama at a position that often has high drama characters, and has literally ZERO health injuries or missed time.

People on here literally act like he's an average starter in the league......... (yeah i'm calling BS on overrated, if anything the way fans talk about him he's under-rated)

If anything him being this desired while playing in an outdated scheme, playing the wrong position for 2 years, and having lack of interior pass rush is actually incredible (get the hell out of here with "over-rated", dude was borderline set up to fail and still played great)
 

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I am firmly in the "Don't Pay Big Money to Non-Playmakers" Camp.

I am adamantly against paying the reported $15 million-plus-a-year it would take to keep Byron Jones. He does not make big plays, therefore he should not be paid like someone that does.

I would focus all of my draft assets on restocking and hopefully improving what has been a mediocre to disappointing defensive unit.
you make a good case.
 

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This draft is WR heavy so they would have a better shot at the WR's. The CB, DE and DT's will be gone in the top 8.
given the uncertain status of resigning cooper, I would go wr with a top pick. we can always blame dak.
 

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Jones will be offered more money in free agency. Won’t be a great loss in my opinion would rather have someone who gets int’s. We need some playmakers in the secondary. The Cowboys ranked 30th in takeaways last season.
 

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In answer to the OP's question, I would say that either Smith or Vander Esch or even the combination are the key to this D improving. Yes, the DL and secondary are important but how many times did we see Sean Lee save the D's bacon with his read and react? And this DC was last coaching LB's.

I think this D missed the presence of a 6'4" athletic LB with a good wingspan more than we know, I am certain Smith missed him.

I like Jones and would prefer to keep him but that doesn't look likely so having LVE back and 100% can really make that front 7 better and a better front 7 or 6 means a better back 4 or 5.
 

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lol at "uhh we need picks, screw Byron"

This is a pass happy league, lol at not being content with a tier 1 pass coverage guy because "uhhh he don't get the picks"

Have fun with Chido or some low level free agent being your #1 corner (classic case of be careful what you wish for).

Not saying we should dump 20 million a year at him but at the same time we haven't even got a clue on what he's asking or open market value and fans are already obsessing over dumping him like he's some bum
 
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With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.

What a concept.

So now should we keep Jones, give him more options to use him and forget spending a high draft pick trying to find a top safety?

I just believe if we are having to fortify everywhere on defense, it becomes a leaky dam to fix.

And depending on rookies to rescue us is not good.

Landry used to say for every rookie you have starting..

it will cost you 1 game a year.

Hmmmm..

As always..comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanx in advance for your replies?

:starspin::huh::starspin:
You are asking questions that only our new coaching staff can determine. If they tell the FO Byron is critical to the defense then what do you bet that he will be back one way or another? I don't see how you can even have an opinion about this. You don't know how this defense will be operated this year. It makes a difference. This is the coaches business not yours.
 

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It's just hard to draft in general but I think the coaches had to much say over the scouts in some instances.. At least I hope that is the case.

I've heard the scouts wanted TJ Watt but Marinelli wanted Taco because Taco fit a prototype.

I also heard Marinelli was the one who pushed for Trystin Hill.. The thing I don't like about Hill is that they decided he was their pick before the draft started.

Happy to see Marinelli and his play the run on the way to the QB gone.... That and the keep your man in front of you, never look for the ball DB strategy
 

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Thanks.

It's not a hatred of the player or a lack of appreciation that he does cover very well. It's the combination of an exorbitant salary cost with the lack of game-altering plays.

Agree. No ints for someone that covers that tightly is concerning.
 

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Agree. No ints for someone that covers that tightly is concerning.

He has no interest in the interception. He doesn't even try to catch the ball, even in the times that he does have his head turned around to see it coming. When the split-second decision needs to be made, Byron Jones' instinct is to knock the ball away, never to attempt to catch it himself. It's readily apparent, even in his 'highlight' reels which are supposed to be examples of his best plays. He wants nothing to do with the football. And on the few occasions when he does? There is little to no chance that he possesses the ability to make that catch.
 

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Jones was decent at S. I know this board thinks he was terrible, but he wasn't.

You don't draft guys in first round to be "decent" , Decent sounds too much like average, and just decent doesn't impact and take your team to a different and higher level.
 

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Thanks.

It's not a hatred of the player or a lack of appreciation that he does cover very well. It's the combination of an exorbitant salary cost with the lack of game-altering plays.
That is a good reason. However, there's no assurance they're going to get a playmaker to replace him.

This FO hasn't been great in the secondary dept and when I see a good, not a game breaker but in the top 16, CB, I am not crazy about them replacing him. Kevin Smith is the last great CB they drafted. And that wasn't them, it was...….HIM! That damned ole Jimmy and his D picks.
 

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The key to our new defense will be adding some playmakers. We need a few players who can force some turnovers.
 
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