Video: FOX: Doug Gottlieb: Cowboys should trade up and draft Tua Tagovailoa 'We've seen Dak's ceiling'

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Look around at some of the top QB's. Brees, Rodgers, Brady …. none reached their peak by year 4. Why is it necessary to assume Dak has? Hell, this past year was entirely different than the previous 3. There obviously are still things to work on, but he clearly showed he can do more with his arm than the more conservative offenses of his first few seasons. Why can't he build on that.

By the way, before anyone claims I am, I am not saying Dak is the equivalent of Brees, Rodgers and Brady, I'm merely pointing out that growth and development doesn't have to pek by a player's 4th season.
 

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Look around at some of the top QB's. Brees, Rodgers, Brady …. none reached their peak by year 4. Why is it necessary to assume Dak has? Hell, this past year was entirely different than the previous 3. There obviously are still things to work on, but he clearly showed he can do more with his arm than the more conservative offenses of his first few seasons. Why can't he build on that.

By the way, before anyone claims I am, I am not saying Dak is the equivalent of Brees, Rodgers and Brady, I'm merely pointing out that growth and development doesn't have to pek by a player's 4th season.

25 years of no playoff success can mess with a fans perspective on things they would be willing to throw anything at the wall and hope it sticks.And Dak was better last year than 2 of the 3 you mentioned. I dont think that he is better than them either but his trajectory is pointing up while theirs is not.
 

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Look around at some of the top QB's. Brees, Rodgers, Brady …. none reached their peak by year 4. Why is it necessary to assume Dak has? Hell, this past year was entirely different than the previous 3. There obviously are still things to work on, but he clearly showed he can do more with his arm than the more conservative offenses of his first few seasons. Why can't he build on that.

By the way, before anyone claims I am, I am not saying Dak is the equivalent of Brees, Rodgers and Brady, I'm merely pointing out that growth and development doesn't have to pek by a player's 4th season.

Tom Brady was already a two-time Super Bowl MVP by the end of his rookie deal. Do you guys just make things up as you go?
 

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Tom Brady was already a two-time Super Bowl MVP by the end of his rookie deal. Do you guys just make things up as you go?
You apparently have no idea what I wrote, or you aren't bothering to look up the facts, or both. I didn't say Brady and the Patriots didn't have success during Brady's first 4 years, I said he didn't reach his peak as a player in his first 4 years. Perhaps you should pay attention to what you read and take a minute to try and understand before you start typing and making snarky remarks.
 

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do you realize what kind of resources it will take to get from 17 to at the very latest 5th? It might very well be 3rd pick. Too much capital. Way to much.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

The only possible way and its a stretch is that Tua drops to somewhere close to our pick because of questionable medical concerns and Dak has been tagged and negotiations are going nowhere. Then and only then could Tua be a possibility because then you get leverage on Dak if he had threatened to hold out in fact if you get to that point you dont care if dak holds out

That would also have to mean that Jerry and Steven has been lying all along and they dont feel Dak is the future.

Much safet bet to see dak signed in next 3 weeks


If the medical checks out then you just get Tua in the building and worry about the rest later.

We take Daks contract off the books for awhile so whatever you lost in picks you can make up for with cap space..

Also, Tua provides more offense so the team will get better overall and you won’t need the ultra team that you would need with Dak.
 

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Look around at some of the top QB's. Brees, Rodgers, Brady …. none reached their peak by year 4. Why is it necessary to assume Dak has? Hell, this past year was entirely different than the previous 3. There obviously are still things to work on, but he clearly showed he can do more with his arm than the more conservative offenses of his first few seasons. Why can't he build on that.

By the way, before anyone claims I am, I am not saying Dak is the equivalent of Brees, Rodgers and Brady, I'm merely pointing out that growth and development doesn't have to pek by a player's 4th season.

Because Dak is limited in passing capabilities.. It’s just not in him to be a prolific passer.

Now maybe we get better at scheming players open and that elevates his game but Dak’s not a guy who throws people open or hits the back shoulder passes.

Regardless of that... We need to stop competing against ourselves for Dak’s services..

Who would pay this type of money for Dak when similar QBs will be available for less.
 

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Off season CRAZY talk as usual. Probably would serve some Dallas Cowboys fans right if Dak left and we get stuck with the Quincy Carters and Henson's of the world. Per as usual Jerry Jones and company bringing DRAMA once again into the equation. He makes one good move then does 2 more to destroy it. I really think it's horrible how they are handling this. And I believe it will eventually destroy the locker room if it goes on further into the Summer or if Dak sits out. Jerry could of had Dak signed a year ago for cheap. But once again Jerry has to turn something that could of been simple then. Into a major drama issue now.
 

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Because Dak is limited in passing capabilities.. It’s just not in him to be a prolific passer.

Now maybe we get better at scheming players open and that elevates his game but Dak’s not a guy who throws people open or hits the back shoulder passes.

Regardless of that... We need to stop competing against ourselves for Dak’s services..

Who would pay this type of money for Dak when similar QBs will be available for less.

He actually was pretty prolific as a passer this season. That said, whatever his limits, that doesn't mean he is necessarily stalled after 4 years. Hell, the Chargers made the decision Brees was limited and didn't have it in him to be more than he was, and that obviously proved to be wrong. The entire NFL thought that about Brady coming out of college.

Again, I'm not trying to put Dak in that category - obviously with hindsight we know those guys were rare breeds that became the elite of the elite, but they do illustrate the fact that determining a QB has reached his peak at an early point in his career is far from reliable.
 

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If the medical checks out then you just get Tua in the building and worry about the rest later.

We take Daks contract off the books for awhile so whatever you lost in picks you can make up for with cap space..

Also, Tua provides more offense so the team will get better overall and you won’t need the ultra team that you would need with Dak.
Wow I think you devalue one and overvalue the other but that’s the beauty of opinions . Tua played quite possibly the most talented offensive roster in country with LSU exception

Tua is an unknown . So is burrow for that matter it’s likely they’ll be ok but you just don’t know and as already mention we have too many other problems to take a chance in it
 

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With the HIP injury...…..we don't Tua has a ceiling.
 

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Wow I think you devalue one and overvalue the other but that’s the beauty of opinions . Tua played quite possibly the most talented offensive roster in country with LSU exception

Alabama was not a good offense until that guy stepped on the field and it was like going from Bledsoe to Romo.. Instant offense.

Yeah... I admit.. He played in an optimal environment but that guy is a natural thrower.. It’s like watching Emmitt Smith run a football.. He’s just made to throw a football.

He came in and straight away could read defenses at a high level.

With Tua as our QB and Zeke running the ball we could exploit every inch of the football field.

It won’t happen though.. We’re going to be conservative and keep trying to properly build and stay mediocre.
 

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He actually was pretty prolific as a passer this season. That said, whatever his limits, that doesn't mean he is necessarily stalled after 4 years. Hell, the Chargers made the decision Brees was limited and didn't have it in him to be more than he was, and that obviously proved to be wrong. The entire NFL thought that about Brady coming out of college.

Again, I'm not trying to put Dak in that category - obviously with hindsight we know those guys were rare breeds that became the elite of the elite, but they do illustrate the fact that determining a QB has reached his peak at an early point in his career is far from reliable.

He had good numbers.. Fortunately I got to watch the games and while I bought into it after the first 3 weeks when he threw 1/3 of his TD passes we soon found out that it was because we played 3 of the 5 worst teams in football.


Dak will not throw you into a loss against good teams but he’s not going to get into a shootout and throw you into a win either. He goes as the team goes. He’s not that kind of QB that can put a team on his shoulders and win a football game.

We could bring in Ryan Tannehill and not see a difference in our team. Just be conservative with the football and we would see Dak results.
 

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I am a huge Tua fan though his ability to stay healthy scares the you know what out of me. Still I would roll the dice on Tua if the opportunity arose. Not a Dak believer at all. A healthy Tua would be a difference maker IMO.
 

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He had good numbers.. Fortunately I got to watch the games and while I bought into it after the first 3 weeks when he threw 1/3 of his TD passes we soon found out that it was because we played 3 of the 5 worst teams in football.


Dak will not throw you into a loss against good teams but he’s not going to get into a shootout and throw you into a win either. He goes as the team goes. He’s not that kind of QB that can put a team on his shoulders and win a football game.

We could bring in Ryan Tannehill and not see a difference in our team. Just be conservative with the football and we would see Dak results.
Without a doubt Dak wasn't as consistent as he could have been, but, again, that doesn't mean he has peaked. The running game wasn't as consistent either, and as fans continuously tell us, the coaching left plenty to be desired/

As for Tannehill, he had a very good partial season, but I wouldn't bank on him being as good as Dak based on that. Dak has a career passer rating of 97. and Tannehill has a career passer rating of 89.8, and Tannehill had a career high QBR, and it was still lower than 3 of Dak's 4 seasons, including this past season. Dak is also 5 years younger.
 

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Without a doubt Dak wasn't as consistent as he could have been, but, again, that doesn't mean he has peaked. The running game wasn't as consistent either, and as fans continuously tell us, the coaching left plenty to be desired/

As for Tannehill, he had a very good partial season, but I wouldn't bank on him being as good as Dak based on that. Dak has a career passer rating of 97. and Tannehill has a career passer rating of 89.8, and Tannehill had a career high QBR, and it was still lower than 3 of Dak's 4 seasons, including this past season. Dak is also 5 years younger.

I don’t need to see him peak to know what his overall upside is.

He’s limited.. He can be a very good player. I just don’t see a guy you can pay a ton of money to and hope that he elevates the rest of the team.

He’s always going to need a lot and it’s going to be hard to build a powerhouse around that contract.

If you put a lot of guys in an optimal situation like Dallas they will play well.. Tannehill is one of those guys.
 

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We haven't seen the ceiling on Me-Dak's contract yet.........I think he should sign the tag and top Mahomes contract next year.
 
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