A question regarding Garrett

Aviano90 · Feb 23, 2020

Blitzen said:
They had trouble vs Detroit in 2014 when Suh and Ansah were pretty dominant up front. Dallas moved the ball well vs GB in that game and had almost no answer defensively (plus the big fumble by Murray and catch/no catch for Dez). You can't score points while the other team is scoring points or driving.

They don’t perform like a top 10 offense when the season is on line. I know all the excuses though. Point is you have to put the points on the board and they don’t.

Aviano90 · Feb 23, 2020

pancakeman said:
I would guess most teams’ ppg will be lower in the playoffs since the the opponents are stronger teams (that’s how they got there).

Maybe. Ours definitely struggles for the most part.

thunderpimp91 · Feb 23, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
Like when he was here.........improvements would be in spite of him not because of him............he may go down as one of the least knowledgeable head coaches in NFL history.

So who gets credit for the good then? Is jerry really a football mastermind? Kellen moore truly the boy genius?

I agree jason garrett had some pretty significant faults, but he had a lot of wins here to be that incompetent.

TwistedL0g1k · Feb 23, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
...he may go down as one of the least knowledgeable head coaches in NFL history.

I do not believe this.

Garrett is held in much higher regard around the league than he is CowboysZone.

The GM is a FAR bigger problem in Dallas than coaching was. Horrible draft & contract decisions have yielded a flawed roster with a mediocre record.

Blitzen · Feb 23, 2020

Aviano90 said:
They don’t perform like a top 10 offense when the season is on line. I know all the excuses though. Point is you have to put the points on the board and they don’t.

His offense made mistakes that were caused by the players on the field (either his own team or the opposing). They moved the ball just fine vs GB and would have put more points with fewer player errors. It's not an excuse. It's just plain fact. Detroit got them pretty good though in that game defensively. My point is that Garrett's teams usually showed up to those games woefully outmatched with regards to the Cowboys' defense. He was okay though, and not close to being this terrible clapping idiot he gets portrayed by many on this site.

visionary · Feb 23, 2020

Garrett’s “gifts” in order

1. clapping
2. Giving a good PC
3. Deflecting blame to others
4. Spouting cliches

And no, competent coaching is not one of them

guy is trash

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2020

Garrett wasn't a great coach in Dallas but he wasn't as bad as some believed. Coaching isn't some art, it is a learned skill and some have more of an aptitude for it than others.

The one with mixed emotions is Booger, he wants Garrett to do well but the better he does in NY, the more this mess in Dallas wasn't on Garrett.

The one thing I've always felt about Garrett was that I wasn't qualified to judge him but some people I really respect in the game still think very highly of him.

Add to that, a HOF HC could only get a .500 record in Dallas. And his comment about keeping Booger from himself, why should any HC have to do that?

I do believe Garrett will be happier in NY than he was in Dallas. There were too many times you could read the 1000 yard stare on his face. I believe the DC HC is the single toughest job in all pro sports. Parcells just flat wore out.

Aviano90 · Feb 23, 2020

Blitzen said:
His offense made mistakes that were caused by the players on the field (either his own team or the opposing). They moved the ball just fine vs GB and would have put more points with fewer player errors. It's not an excuse. It's just plain fact. Detroit got them pretty good though in that game defensively. My point is that Garrett's teams usually showed up to those games woefully outmatched with regards to the Cowboys' defense. He was okay though, and not close to being this terrible clapping idiot he gets portrayed by many on this site.

He isn’t just limited to those 2 years. We put up 17 in 2007 against the Giants. Put up 3 in 2008 in NFC East Championship game against Philly. Put up 34 then 3 in 2009 playoffs. Scored 14 in 2011, 18 in 2012 and 22 in 2013 in week 17 play in games for the NFC East title. We scored 24 and 22 points in the playoffs in 2008. This year we put up 9 in week 16 with the division on the line.

We don’t have that many good offensive performances in our elimination games and offense has been our strength. I don’t disagree defense has generally been the weak link but our offense hasn’t been that good either when the rubber meets the road.

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
Like when he was here.........improvements would be in spite of him not because of him............he may go down as one of the least knowledgeable head coaches in NFL history.

Not according to people who know him.

I wanted him gone after the ATL game and will never understand that sequence of events. I still don't get it.

Redball Express · Feb 23, 2020

Blitzen said:
I didn't think the offense looked poor in either 2014 or 2016. I thought the defense looked piss poor. To be clear I have no love for Garrett.

I'm with you.

No way will I romance Garrett now that he is gone.

He was awful as OC and had Linehan in charge and that was only effective in 2016. Then Garrett insisted Dak be a pocket passer.

Dak regressed from there. Dak was unable to go get leads early in games, repeatedly had 3 and outs, took over 60 sacks in 2017 and Garrett changed nothing.

I was shocked Garrett got a job. Never heard its terms. But it can't be for long.

Generally not many coaches in the post FA Era have done really well once leaving here.

We'll see. I am just pleased he is gone.

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2020

As far as the OP's question, I expect both NYG and WAS to improve this season. It is not out of the realm that either or both will give PHL and DAL a run for the division. That Skins D is close and Young might just make them one of the toughest in the game, if they don't trade down and pick up Okudah. I expect NYG to take the best OT in the draft to address their most glaring issue on offense.

The Giants D is not good so they will have to ride that O, just like the Cowboys have had to do for years. But an O can be ridden to the division crown.

Dre11 · Feb 23, 2020

Aviano90 said:
We averaged ~28 points in 2014 and then only scored 24 and 21 points in the 2 playoff games.

We did finally have a high scoring playoff game in 2016 against GB though. We had another one in 2009 against Philly, but we have typically struggled on offense with the season on the line.

I like to see what the defense did at the end of those years. Because you have to factor the number of possession you get to keep those high totals going. that could be attributed to the defense in how many stops and 3 and outs they got in the playoffs to give the offense more possessions.

Dre11 · Feb 23, 2020

Blitzen said:
That is interesting. One of the least knowledgeable... Are there stats on this or just hot opinions?

Ron is clueless, anyone who believes that type of bs is crazy.

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2020

Redball Express said:
I'm with you.

No way will I romance Garrett now that he is gone.

He was awful as OC and had Linehan in charge and that was only effective in 2016. Then Garrett insisted Dak be a pocket passer.

Dak regressed from there. Dak was unable to go get leads early in games, repeatedly had 3 and outs, took over 60 sacks in 2017 and Garrett changed nothing.

I was shocked Garrett got a job. Never heard its terms. But it can't be for long.

Generally not many coaches in the post FA Era have done really well once leaving here.

We'll see. I am just pleased he is gone.

Same here, that had run beyond it's course.

Bold, they didn't do well while here. Parcells had his worst coaching record in Dallas. Zimmer has done OK.

Any HC that comes to Dallas will not be the DC HC as much as he will be Booger's HC.

Redball, I wouldn't lay all of Prescott's problems off on Garrett or Linehan. Mullen tried to make him a more effective pocket passer as well, that didn't work. I see a QB missing QB 101 throws, I don't blame his coaches. Those 60 sacks were Garrett's fault? I saw more of a problem with Prescot's pocket awareness.

I assume at some point the FO had a discussion about finding out about their young QB because they knew bills would be coming due. Going forward with a dual threat QB can be risky, especially when there are some accuracy questions.

Aviano90 · Feb 23, 2020

Dre11 said:
I like to see what the defense did at the end of those years. Because you have to factor the number of possession you get to keep those high totals going. that could be attributed to the defense in how many stops and 3 and outs they got in the playoffs to give the offense more possessions.

A few years ago I looked at our offensive and defensive performances in elimination games and compared to our season averages and our opponents season averages to see how it stacked up.

With some exceptions, what typically happened is the offense underperformed relative to the averages and the defenses typically outperformed the season averages. I don’t have the numbers anymore but I might run them again if I get some free time at work. I didn’t break it down to a per possession average but would be an interesting viewpoint. It might make me change my perspective comparing the per possession averages to the per possession performance in the games.

Dre11 · Feb 23, 2020

Aviano90 said:
He isn’t just limited to those 2 years. We put up 17 in 2007 against the Giants. Put up 3 in 2008 in NFC East Championship game against Philly. Put up 34 then 3 in 2009 playoffs. Scored 14 in 2011, 18 in 2012 and 22 in 2013 in week 17 play in games for the NFC East title. We scored 24 and 22 points in the playoffs in 2008. This year we put up 9 in week 16 with the division on the line.

We don’t have that many good offensive performances in our elimination games and offense has been our strength. I don’t disagree defense has generally been the weak link but our offense hasn’t been that good either when the rubber meets the road.

I wonder how many ints Tony threw, how many drops, I also remember in the 2007 game Crayton stop on a potential Td. How can we forget the Dez catch that wasn't, the Murray fumble that negated a possible td, all those things possibly change the whole narrative

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2020

Aviano90 said:
A few years ago I looked at our offensive and defensive performances in elimination games and compared to our season averages and our opponents season averages to see how it stacked up.

With some exceptions, what typically happened is the offense underperformed relative to the averages and the defenses typically outperformed the season averages. I don’t have the numbers anymore but I might run them again if I get some free time at work. I didn’t break it down to a per possession average but would be an interesting viewpoint. It might make me change my perspective comparing the per possession averages to the per possession performance in the games.

If the Cowboys did that then their opponents did just the opposite.

nyc-cowboy · Feb 23, 2020

TwistedL0g1k said:
Garrett is held in much higher regard around the league than he is CowboysZone.

Thats cause they dont know him like we do.

Dre11 · Feb 23, 2020

Aviano90 said:
A few years ago I looked at our offensive and defensive performances in elimination games and compared to our season averages and our opponents season averages to see how it stacked up.

With some exceptions, what typically happened is the offense underperformed relative to the averages and the defenses typically outperformed the season averages. I don’t have the numbers anymore but I might run them again if I get some free time at work. I didn’t break it down to a per possession average but would be an interesting viewpoint. It might make me change my perspective comparing the per possession averages to the per possession performance in the games.

I just never felt we had a playoff defense, which is what important in the playoffs. even if your defense isn't great, they have to be opportunistic and get extra possessions for the offense

Aviano90 · Feb 23, 2020

Dre11 said:
I wonder how many ints Tony threw, how many drops, I also remember in the 2007 game Crayton stop on a potential Td. How can we forget the Dez catch that wasn't, the Murray fumble that negated a possible td, all those things possibly change the hold narrative

Those things definitely factor in as to why we have struggled to keep seasons alive for another week.

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