I wish there was a way we could start from scratch

xwalker said:

Your post/thread demonstrates exactly why some NFL coaches fail and why some succeed.

We've seen good coordinators become Head Coaches and fail. We know those coaches understand football but when it comes to putting together the big picture they are clueless.

You have failed the big picture test.

The Cowboys approach has been very good the few few years but that does not always equate to success.

In the draft, if there is near guaranteed super star available, then you draft that player regardless of position. Zeke was a close to a guaranteed super star as it gets.

Jaylon would have been a top 5 pick if healthy. The Cowboys gambled that he would return to 100% health. We could debate for days about his current healthy status; however, we know he was very good in 2018 and we know the coaching staff failed in 2019 with the 2-coordinator approach (Marinelli and Richard). Either the coaching failed or Jaylon regressed physically. Pick one. You can blame both.

Taco had the required ability but the coaching staff didn't get the best from him. Back in the day, Jimmy would have made him a great player or would have traded him away after a year. Again, coaching was a huge part of the problem.

Vander Esch is an unknown and it's unknown with regards to the status of his neck when drafted. They correctly evaluated his talent.

Cooper is probably the best fit as the #1 WR with Dak as the QB of any WR in the NFL. They didn't really have other options to get a similar player. He was injury most of 2019. No way to really judge him. The Cowboys offense was at the top of the statistics but their starting field position prevented them from scoring as much as needed.

DT Hill didn't have motivation problems in college or with the Cowboys. He had problems adapting to a change in coaching staffs and styles of defense in college. He was a slow learner in the NFL also. Both sets of college coaching staffs and Marinelli said he was a high-motor player.

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Killerinstinct said:

This is probably another way of saying, I think thr F.O. has made all the wrong moves and even when the right moves are made, there seems to be a downside.

no 4 pick in the draft, The highest spot in decades. He's good but year after year the opportunity to draft a good rb avails itself at a lower cost and we make it worse by extending him early at a record breaking cost.

Draft a LB with an early 2nd that is a non factor for a couple of years and then shows flashes so you have to extend him with a huge contract just to see him regress.

Use a first on a DE that does nothing , passing on much better players just to cut him.

Draft a L B with neck issues that you have to worry about going forward.

Use a 1st on a trade for a wr with only a year and a half of control without making the trade contingent on an extension. He's good enough to dominate occasionally but disappears for long stretches and expects to be paid like one of the greatest of all time.

Use your highest pick on a DT with a known lack of motivation just to sit him on the bench.

The one lucky move you make is drafting a top 15 QB in the 4th rd but now he expects to be paid like he is a multi year SB MVP.

You dedicate tons of assets towards an OL that can't pick up a yard on 4th and 1.

You pay your pass rush specialist like he is the re-incarnation of Reggie White just to see him play like a mid level DE.

You use a 1st rd pick on a CB who is above avg but can't get turnovers just to have to lose him because everyone else is being paid like mvp's.

Jerry, quit being a cheerleader and an ego booster selling jerseys of inflated assets and become a disciplined leader of a team that fans can be proud of.

BTW Safeties and 1-techs are important parts of any good defense.

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shabazz said:

Agree, and that’s why overpaying for a Qb at this point seems like a waste. If we were ready to win right now and we had the cap space I wouldn’t mind overpaying as much.

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DasSchnitzel said:

I like to wonder what would happen if we did a fire sale of our talent for draft picks and let MM reset the roster over the next few offseasons.

Not saying it's a good idea but it's fun to think about all the picks and cleared up cap space and purged locker room culture.

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DasSchnitzel said:

I like to wonder what would happen if we did a fire sale of our talent for draft picks and let MM reset the roster over the next few offseasons.

Not saying it's a good idea but it's fun to think about all the picks and cleared up cap space and purged locker room culture.

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• 71 La'el Collins G/T
• 72 Travis Frederick C
• 77 Tyron Smith T
• 90 DeMarcus Lawrence DE
• 50 Sean Lee LB
• 38 Jeff Heath SS
• 6 Chris Jones P
• 82 Jason Witten
• 31 Byron Jones CB/FS
• 98 Tyrone Crawford DT
• 94 Randy Gregory DE

aria said:

But we have one of the most “talented” rosters in the league, or so I’ve been told.

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xwalker said:

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2018.

It had to be because of one of the two options below:

1. Garrett/Marinelli were great and enabled the team to overcome crappy talent.

2. The talent was great and enabled the team to overcome crappy coaching.

If your claim is that the roster is not talented, then you are claiming that Garrett/Marinelli should have been retained and the roster should have been overhauled.

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Killerinstinct said:

This is probably another way of saying, I think thr F.O. has made all the wrong moves and even when the right moves are made, there seems to be a downside.

no 4 pick in the draft, The highest spot in decades. He's good but year after year the opportunity to draft a good rb avails itself at a lower cost and we make it worse by extending him early at a record breaking cost.

Draft a LB with an early 2nd that is a non factor for a couple of years and then shows flashes so you have to extend him with a huge contract just to see him regress.

Use a first on a DE that does nothing , passing on much better players just to cut him.

Draft a L B with neck issues that you have to worry about going forward.

Use a 1st on a trade for a wr with only a year and a half of control without making the trade contingent on an extension. He's good enough to dominate occasionally but disappears for long stretches and expects to be paid like one of the greatest of all time.

Use your highest pick on a DT with a known lack of motivation just to sit him on the bench.

The one lucky move you make is drafting a top 15 QB in the 4th rd but now he expects to be paid like he is a multi year SB MVP.

You dedicate tons of assets towards an OL that can't pick up a yard on 4th and 1.

You pay your pass rush specialist like he is the re-incarnation of Reggie White just to see him play like a mid level DE.

You use a 1st rd pick on a CB who is above avg but can't get turnovers just to have to lose him because everyone else is being paid like mvp's.

Jerry, quit being a cheerleader and an ego booster selling jerseys of inflated assets and become a disciplined leader of a team that fans can be proud of.

BTW Safeties and 1-techs are important parts of any good defense.

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Mountaineerfan said:

I would honestly like to see them all walk, trade the rest. Bring in the C- team for at least one probably a two year prove it revamp. If you have any player with talent trade them. Try to do a reboot in two years.

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xwalker said:

49ers:
2003: 7-9
2004: 2-14
2005: 4-12
2006: 7-9
2007: 5-11
2008: 7-9
2009: 8-8
2010: 6-10
2011: 13-3 Jim Harbaugh Hired
2012: 11-4-1
2013: 12-4
2014: 8-8
2015: 5-11
2016: 2-14
2017: 6-10 Kyle Shanahan Hired
2018: 4-12
2019: 13-3 (Made it to the Super Bowl)

Rams:
2004: 8-8
2005: 6-10
2006: 8-8
2007: 3-13
2008: 2-14
2009: 1-15
2010: 7-9
2011: 2-14
2012: 7-8-1
2013: 7-9
2014: 6-10
2015: 7-9
2016: 4-12
2017: 11-5 Sean McVay Hired
2018: 13-3 (Made it to the Super Bowl)

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Dreski said:

It’s the NFL. No one is perfect. Almost every team has to deal with similar situations.

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Starforever said:

How about starting with the coaching staff, and you may be on to something.

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CATCH17 said:

The problem is we are committing our resources to the wrong positions by always trying to re-create the 90's.

It's an easy sell to our fan base too because I see people all the time thinking you have to have Zeke because 90's.. Gotta have a great WR cause 90's.. Got use 1st round picks on every oline position or they are terrible because 90's..


Meanwhile the defense is just something we throw out there that is similar to a special teams strategy of bend don't break.

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Dreski said:

We’ve spent resources on defense. Things just haven’t gone our way, whether it was from high drafted players not performing up to their standards or having a trash scheme. Every team goes through it, doesn’t matter where you spend your resources, you’re gonna eventually have to work around the cap.

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Killerinstinct said:

I think we are screwed. This is how I see it playing out and I hope I am wrong.

Dak and Amari get what they want.

We lose Quinn,Byron and a bunch of other internal F.A's.

We sign no significant external f.a's. Just 2 or 3 gap fillers.

Year after year going forward we sign no significant f.a.'s

We draft one starter that ends up expecting to be the highest paid player at his position in a few years.

A bunch of reaches follow in the draft that stick around but never amount to much.

We stay avg but Jerry sells jersey's and Dak is on commercials every time I turn on the t.v.

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Adreme said:

Just as a caveat on the Kyle Shanahan bit, remember they were TERRIBLE, before they trade for Jimmy and were probably going to be the number 1 pick in the draft and then they suddenly won I think every game he started (or they lost only 1). If not for the ACL injury in 2018 they may have made the SB that year.

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