A question regarding Garrett

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So many replies seem hell bent on a black & white outcome. How about both Garrett and Big Mike succeed?

Maybe Garrett helps get the G-Men back to the winning records, and Big Mike does a better job getting the Cowboys past the first or second round of the Playoffs?

Sometimes it just wasn't meant to happen. No one says Belichick isn't one of the best coaches of all time just because he never did much in Cleveland.

I think every coach at a high level works their butt off. I think some are better fits for player talents and franchises, and I think some are just better talent evaluators, game planners or people managers.

But I also think it's a highly competitive sport, with a lot of luck involved with injuries, suspensions, freak plays, and sometimes it just doesn't work out.
 

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Jason Garrett will do a good job with Daniel Jones.

Just remember how long JG neglected the running game here (going back to when he was the OC in 2007-10). Saquon Barkley may want to take note.
 

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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?

13 seasons as OC and HC. Where did we ever see excellence out if Garrett? The guy is a total fraud. It will be interesting to see him run an offense devoid of stars outside of Barkley. He will be exposed for the fraud he is. My guess is Giants fans will be screaming for his ouster after a season.
 

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13 seasons as OC and HC. Where did we ever see excellence out if Garrett? The guy is a total fraud. It will be interesting to see him run an offense devoid of stars outside of Barkley. He will be exposed for the fraud he is. My guess is Giants fans will be screaming for his ouster after a season.

After nine and a half years as an NFL head coach, Garrett can at least tell new Giants HC Joe Judge how not to do the job.:laugh:
 

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Just 10 years of observing head scratching poor decisions.
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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?
I don't think Garrett is especially talented at speaking to QBs. He is not a "guru" in that sense. I have not seen it his entire career.

He is just there to sabotage Judge and install himself as HC.
 

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I don't think Garrett is especially talented at speaking to QBs. He is not a "guru" in that sense. I have not seen it his entire career.

He is just there to sabotage Judge and install himself as HC.

Good point. I think Sean Peyton had more influence on Tony Romo's development from '03-'06 than Garrett did afterwards.
 

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I'm expecting significant improvement from a year but they were so bad, that's not saying much. Waay too many missing pieces but look for Garrett to run the hell out Barkley, similar to 2014 DeMarco Murray.
 

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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?
let it go hes gone lol

ive said all along a lot to blame goes to poor execution by players..so?

BTW THE NYG offense wasn't terrible last year and SB got hurt a ,lot, it was defense and ST, Garetts job isnt that hard , its the new HC and DC..
 

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Are you serious?! There's a reason his play calling abilities were revoked. They guy is a complete goon when it comes to the Xs and Os. The fact that anyone should have to explain this to you makes you look like one as well.

Lol, no one here has explained that he was terrible at X's and O's. This is all just hot opinion. I'm not arguing that he was a savant or that he was actually a great coach. This was just a view at the severe bias some people need to have for their narrative. If the Giants do well this coming season and improve dramatically offensively, many here will refuse to attribute any of it to him and what he brings to the table.

That says a lot about them and their teeny narrow view.
 

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Garrett had some flaws like all coaches but he was a championship appearance away from being the 3rd best HC in Cowboys history.

His unpopularity on this forum was driven out of frustration from Jerry’s egotistical selfish intent to retain him despite the disappointments.

His offenses generally top 10 carried the team without good defenses helping develop an Undrafted and lowly drafted QB. Most likely why he was snatched up quickly by NY. It will be interesting to see what he can do with a more talented ( 1st rd) QB.

While X and O’s and game day instincts weren’t his greatest asset his motivational skills steering the franchise attempting to overcome the continuing distractions and meddling from our dysfunctional toxic ownership eventually took its toll.

The greatest mark by any HC is did they leave the franchise in a better place than when they took over. Which I believe after 1-7 in 2010 we can argue yes influencing the franchise in a better direction building a nucleus of a contender setting the table for more success.
I look at it slightly differently.

Garrett was a decent coach but he just was too overly influenced by Jerrah.

Jerrah has always had a complex about who built the team?

Jimmy Johnson or Jerrah.

Garrett was elevated to HC to prove to the football world Jerrah knew coaches and he wanted Garrett to re-establish the old days.

Thus solidify showing all he knows football if Jereah could win again with Garrett.

Becuz Garrett had no coaching lineage to hire his staff..Jerrah and Stephen got to step in as surrogate football coaches to assist Garrett.

We were all aware of this at the time.

But as the winning came slower and slower, Jerrah and Garrett got major negative comments about what was happening.

Garrett was unable to establish himself as his own man as coach. As things worsened, Garrett ending up being the fall guy in the relationship

Jimmy quit and left. Jason chose not to do that and tried to ride things out.

It did not work.

So I see Garrett as just under experienced and Jerrah was feeling his age and wanted something quicker.

More than that I can not figure out for Garrett. Phillip's left here and was successful coaching in other stops. Parcells just retired after Dallas, and Jimmy went to Miami and had some success.

Your quess is as good as mine where Garrett goes from here.
 

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I think Garrett will do fine in NY, with a strong running back like Barkley and a young QB in Jones I think Garrett offense will be a big improvement in NY. Barkley has avg 16 carries a game? under Garrett that number will be bigger
 

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I think Garrett will do fine in NY, with a strong running back like Barkley and a young QB in Jones I think Garrett offense will be a big improvement in NY. Barkley has avg 16 carries a game? under Garrett that number will be bigger
He should....but the issue with Garrett is when his RB averages 7 yards a carry he goes and starts throwing it he’s done it so many times I’ve stopped counting

if he can correct this then the giants offense will be dangerous
 

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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?

I expected them to be better even without Garrett. Garrett will bring some consistency in their offense though.

But Jones didn't start right away, and going into his 2nd year, and knowing he is the QB now. He will improve. Barkley will have some consistency as well.
Our Defense must improve for this, though we kept Barkley in check most of the time limiting him as to not take over a game. Still they best improve.
Their issues is on Defense. So our Offense must exploit that and take advantage and get TD's not FG's.
 

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Lol, no one here has explained that he was terrible at X's and O's. This is all just hot opinion. I'm not arguing that he was a savant or that he was actually a great coach. This was just a view at the severe bias some people need to have for their narrative. If the Giants do well this coming season and improve dramatically offensively, many here will refuse to attribute any of it to him and what he brings to the table.

That says a lot about them and their teeny narrow view.
in 2015, without romo, he was 1-11. does that really require an explanation? last year, with zeke, cooper, dak, pollard, cobb and gallup he was 8-8. does that really require an explanation?
 

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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?
Premature to make a call. The assumption would be that Jones would improve simply due to having a little experience under his belt and going into the season as the undisputed #1. What Garrett can do with that remains to be seen.
 
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