News: ESPN: Sources: Player reps divided over 17-game slate

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A good point you made about the preseason games... having said that I wonder if a lot of the bigger name players (and perhaps consequently more vocal) are unfazed by the preseason reduction since they barely play in them anyway.
I would guess it’s the other way around...good players wanting to extend their careers by playing as few games between contracts as possible.
 

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Exactly, what these player reps, or the group that voted against it have to say, the rank and file players will make the final decision. And those guys want their money - now. And I fully expect that a majority will vote to accept the deal, rendering what anyone else is saying as irrelevant.
JMO but a vote would have passed with 80%+ voting for it.
 

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I would guess it’s the other way around...good players wanting to extend their careers by playing as few games between contracts as possible.

Yep and with far fewer practices too. The most amount of pay for the least amount of work.
 

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Could they even go back in number of games to 14-15 without taking a pay cut?

I would rather them go back to 14 and add 2 playoff games.

Make the rookie contract 2 years with 3rd year for 1st round pick.

Do away with the ridiculous suspensions, don’t care what they do off the field.

No franchise tag, sign the guy or let him hit FA.
 

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I'm for keeping the regular season at 16 games, reduce the preseason to two games, and eliminate the Pro Bowl.
The nfl isn't going to reduce total games. It's either exchange one or two of the preseason for regular season. You understand that's how they make money.
 

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"The proposal also offers at least $90,000 increases on minimum salaries, increased pay for offseason activities, expanded pension eligibility, a limit of 16 days in pads at training camp and mandated improvements to visiting teams' locker rooms."

Where does it stop?! What a joke.
 

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These players can’t even do 10 games and they want to move to 17?

this is why I don’t take the health concerns the nfl is supposedly big on serious

If anything go back to 14......

You would have to maybe consider a baseball like strategy where you start certain players for certain games and then other players for other games. It could be interesting, for example, is Dallas starting Dak and Zeke week 3 v.s. who ever. All the while, knowing, that you have to keep the players fresh for 17 games.
 

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network tv in america is where the NFL makes most of their money, PS games make money, pro bowl makes money, the extra game means
more money for tv networks and NFL. The Cap is funded by tv money. A extra game means more money for owners too , stadium money.
18 games makes more sense, but they will maybe try to get it 1 game at a time .
 

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These players can’t even do 10 games and they want to move to 17?

this is why I don’t take the health concerns the nfl is supposedly big on serious

If anything go back to 14......

It's just not sustainable. I expect more early retirements in the coming years.
 

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Nfl owners have fooled grown men fans for years and continue to do so. Rarely hear owners called greedy only players.
 

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I bet that odd game will be used for heavy international exposure. Goodell is a POS who only cares about growing revenue streams (new fans). Could care less about the players or the exitsting fan base (you - they have you already). Meanwhile, the quality of the game has really taken a dive.

There's a huge existing fan base outside the US that contributes a growing revenue stream to the NFL. As the fan base has plateaued in the US, the only hope players have of increasing their salaries in the future is via International revenue streams. Its quite simple. If the players want more pay, they have to play overseas.
 

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I read some chatter about more Mexico City and England games being worked into the schedules

It will go beyond England and Mexico. The German market is much bigger than the UK. The French and Italian markets are similar in size to the UK. The biggest emerging market is Brazil.
 

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Contract will be decided by rank and file players and I don't understand how they can't get a 2/3rds majority vote.

Unlike years ago when the players biggest concerns were just money, they have now realized that injury is a big concern too. They may, nobody knows for sure, that playing another game is also leaving them exposed to an injury. Just think about this. Before the last CBA teams had 2 a days just about every day, most being in pads which means there would be some contact. The 2 a days were done away with in this CBA and now they want to limit the number of days in camp to 16 that they wear pads which again means contact. In this CBA teams are only allotted 16 practices in pad and having contact for the entire season or just once a week. There have players who have stated that they would like the league to go back to 14 games a season. There have been some players when the talk first started last season about expanding to an extra game that said they would go along with that if each team got two byes a season so the actual number of games played is the same.
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There's a huge existing fan base outside the US that contributes a growing revenue stream to the NFL. As the fan base has plateaued in the US, the only hope players have of increasing their salaries in the future is via International revenue streams. Its quite simple. If the players want more pay, they have to play overseas.

I'm not so sure about you thinking that the US fan base has plateaued. People are living longer and as children start growing up old enough to be fans they add to the fan base. Also there was a time when women went shopping during games but women are starting to get into the NFL too. Just look at how many women are now in fantasy leagues. I agree that goodell is looking for and trying to cultivate Europe as additional income, but not because the US fans have plateaued, just because of greed. I also read an article I think it was back in 2018 that said after all the expenses of playing games in London and the revenue form merchandise there is only a very slim profit for the league. I'm sure goodell is trying to get that increased but as of now it's not the case.
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Players won't agree to less games when it hurts their bottomline. Imo any holdup over more games is over compensation and not health
 

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I'm not so sure about you thinking that the US fan base has plateaued. People are living longer and as children start growing up old enough to be fans they add to the fan base. Also there was a time when women went shopping during games but women are starting to get into the NFL too. Just look at how many women are now in fantasy leagues. I agree that goodell is looking for and trying to cultivate Europe as additional income, but not because the US fans have plateaued, just because of greed. I also read an article I think it was back in 2018 that said after all the expenses of playing games in London and the revenue form merchandise there is only a very slim profit for the league. I'm sure goodell is trying to get that increased but as of now it's not the case.
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If they are making enough from mechandise sales alone to profit, then they're coining it.

There are now some significant International TV deals that bring in a lot of revenue and Gamepass is extremely popular

Not forgetting that the stadium revenue from each game is many multiples of the cost of staging the games overseas.
 

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Yep and with far fewer practices too. The most amount of pay for the least amount of work.

We'll be seeing an uptick in guaranteed money which will lead to Load Management in the NFL. Its ruining the NBA, where the lunatics are now running the asylum and it will start in the NFL as well. Only a matter of time, IMO. Inevitable.
 

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Exactly, what these player reps, or the group that voted against it have to say, the rank and file players will make the final decision. And those guys want their money - now. And I fully expect that a majority will vote to accept the deal, rendering what anyone else is saying as irrelevant.
I think it has to pass the 32 team reps first.

17 Games is just silly IMO. I don't think fans really want a 17th game. If your team is out of it you are ready for the season to be over. If your team is in it, you're ready for the playoffs. The fans don't want to pony up the extra cash for a 17th game either.
 
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