Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 24, 2020

garyo1954 said:
Check Drew Brees. He has 15......there is another QB with 15 as well. Yeah, I spent one evening a month ago looking at them. Can't remember them all.....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=BreeDr00

he has 15 including 2019. I was looking from 2016-2018. brees has 13 in that span.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 24, 2020

garyo1954 said:
Splitting hairs? That definition came from Stats 101 so you're argument is with them. Sure it looks good on Dak's record, except Zeke gets credit for the TD and Bailey for the field goals. It ain't like Dak won the game or anything.

I am not arguing your reference to TD passes thrown. All I said, you can't just look at Dak's stats and say he had 2 TD passes thrown in GWD, but not do the same for other QBs.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 24, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
It says in big green letters that Dak has 8 comebacks in his career...

you are back on the same track. seems like all you want to do is win an argument. not sure where you are going with this as seemingly you have lost track of the debate

regardless..Dalton sucks. even if he cost veteran minimum. I wouldn't take him as I am not found of 6-10 record.

garyo1954 · Feb 24, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
he has 15 including 2019. I was looking from 2016-2018. brees has 13 in that span.

Tough. Its just too bad Dak has no GWD or 4th Qtr comebacks, doesn't mean we have to throw 2019 out to suit your stats, but 2019 is in the books and he had opportunities. Its his fault he didn't come through....

Matt Stafford is the other one with 15....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=StafMa00

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 24, 2020

garyo1954 said:
Tough. Its just too bad Dak has no GWD or 4th Qtr comebacks, doesn't mean we have to throw 2019 out to suit your stats, but 2019 is in the books and he had opportunities. Its his fault he didn't come through....

Matt Stafford is the other one with 15....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=StafMa00

so he had none in 2019. but still over the last 4 years, he has 14. along with Brees whoa s you said had 15, and as you said Stafford. what are we nitpicking exactly? so if he had 15, everyone would be ok with signing him to a 35 mill contract, but hey he only had 14, time to move on....

and Brees has had benefit of Peyton...in the meantime we had Garrett!! should we even open that can of worms. What I have read is people are blaming Dak for the 8-8 record, but forgot about special teams, defense and Coaching.....a half decent kicker and we win an extra game or two easily. a half decent special teams and we win another game (they were the worst in the league I believe). a half decent defense and we win another game or two. a half decent coach, who could make in game decisions and we win another 2-3 games. we easily should have been 10-6 if not better.

and why is he being compared to Andy Dalton!!! I mean Andy Dalton!!! seriously folks

garyo1954 · Feb 24, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I am not arguing your reference to TD passes thrown. All I said, you can't just look at Dak's stats and say he had 2 TD passes thrown in GWD, but not do the same for other QBs.

I'll give you that. And I'm not going to do all that. My point is Dak has only won two of his 4th Qtr comebacks with his arm. 2 of 8 is 0.25%. Clearly nobody is afraid of Dak's arm in the 4th quarter. Shut down the run. He won't beat you = 4th quarter 2019.

Super_Kazuya · Feb 24, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
you are back on the same track. seems like all you want to do is win an argument. not sure where you are going with this as seemingly you have lost track of the debate

regardless..Dalton sucks. even if he cost veteran minimum. I wouldn't take him as I am not found of 6-10 record.

I have already won, I just don’t know why you are taking it as a personal affront to your honor. You were in error, I corrected you. That’s it. Nobody died here.
You said and I quote “the highest number of comeback wins in the past 4 years in the NFL”. He does not. You then tried to change it into game winning drives even though they are totally different (hence why PFF separates them to “8 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 14 Game-Winning Drives”). Even then, he doesn’t have the most of those either. You are wrong either way. You are wrong. W-R-O-N-G.

garyo1954 · Feb 24, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
so he had none in 2019. but still over the last 4 years, he has 14. along with Brees whoa s you said had 15, and as you said Stafford. what are we nitpicking exactly? and why is he being compared to Andy Dalton!!! I mean Andy Dalton!!! seriously folks

"from 2016 through 2018, which is what I pointed to in the beginning, he has the most....14. the next is 13.....that's as far as the site has published...."

I'm only pointing out he does not have the most since 2016. Drew Brees and Matthew Stafford have more.

basel90 · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
then we need to tank and go for the QB nexct year, because we don't have enough draft capital and have way too many holes to fill to trade picks, get a QB that can come in and have success if we have so many holes.....I don't like any of the QBs except for Burrow..Tua reminds me of Mariotta…..

I agree with you . It will take time . The zeke and Dlaw deals killed the cap space . However , I believe Jerry will cave in and not rebuild as he is time pressed . He will stick with Dak I am afraid . Hoping it will work out and that am proven wrong ....

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 25, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
I have already won, I just don’t know why you are taking it as a personal affront to your honor. You were in error, I corrected you. That’s it. Nobody died here.
You said and I quote “the highest number of comeback wins in the past 4 years in the NFL”. He does not. You then tried to change it into game winning drives even though they are totally different (hence why PFF separates them to “8 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 14 Game-Winning Drives”). Even then, he doesn’t have the most of those either. You are wrong either way. You are wrong. W-R-O-N-G.

like I said, your whole point of this was just to win and argument. any argument so:

:clap:

good boy.....good for you. good job...(pat on your head). bravo bravo

and you still think Dalton is better than Dak…. :lmao2:

and you still haven't provided another QB option that is better than Dak. that's the whole point of the debate on this thread. not come back wins vs. another QB....

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 25, 2020

basel90 said:
I agree with you . It will take time . The zeke and Dlaw deals killed the cap space . However , I believe Jerry will cave in and not rebuild as he is time pressed . He will stick with Dak I am afraid . Hoping it will work out and that am proven wrong ....

its the story of the past 25 years. flawed Jerry logic. jerry meddling. and as you said, he is desparate and believes a new coach will do magic. in the meantime bad contracts. bad drafts. flawed team...and when he doesn't get the results he expects this year, he will get involved again. and wash, rinse, repeat. I don't believe we will ever see another championship while jerry is around.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
the options that I am aware of were based on the pundits inputs on this board

Keenum
Marriotta
Stafford
Brady
Fitzgerald
Dalton

are any of these clearly better than Dak in the next 2-3 years?

any other ones?

and I find it interesting you didn't want to directly include any names and deferred to "the board"..so are you part of "I just don't want Dak and have no other real option" crowd?

Is Dak clearly better then all of them? What are you trying prove here? Any of those guys might be able to win in Dallas but more importantly, they might not cost us the highest salary in the League.

Aviano90 · Feb 25, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Is Dak clearly better then all of them? What are you trying prove here? Any of those guys might be able to win in Dallas but more importantly, they might not cost us the highest salary in the League.

Only Brady would be worth more than Dak was making last year. If we are going to move on from Dak, then we need to find someone just as cheap as he was for the performance he gave us. I don't want the team to increase QB cost for an even worse option. That shouldn't be hard to find considering how bad of a QB Dak is.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Only Brady would be worth more than Dak was making last year. If we are going to move on from Dak, then we need to find someone just as cheap as he was for the performance he gave us. I don't want the team to increase QB cost for an even worse option.

This is the problem I have with these kinds of discussions. This has been discussed on this board literally hundreds of times. The plan should be to sign a Vet who can come in and give you a chance to win for a few years and Draft a young QB who can be developed. Personally, I don't believe any of those QBs would cost us more then what Dak might cost us but that's here nor there. The point is that if you can't get a deal done with Dak, you can't just allow a player to demand whatever salary they wish. If you can't agree on a salary, then you got to move on. That's the only way you can control your cap. All the rest of this discussion, to me, is pointless. End of day, control your costs or be caught in a bad financial situation until it drags you down. That's kinda how I see it.

Aviano90 · Feb 25, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
This is the problem I have with these kinds of discussions. This has been discussed on this board literally hundreds of times. The plan should be to sign a Vet who can come in and give you a chance to win for a few years and Draft a young QB who can be developed. Personally, I don't believe any of those QBs would cost us more then what Dak might cost us but that's here nor there. The point is that if you can't get a deal done with Dak, you can't just allow a player to demand whatever salary they wish. If you can't agree on a salary, then you got to move on. That's the only way you can control your cap. All the rest of this discussion, to me, is pointless. End of day, control your costs or be caught in a bad financial situation until it drags you down. That's kinda how I see it.

Well, our QB cost was $2 million last year. Let's find a QB for that amount who can be a bridge.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 25, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Is Dak clearly better then all of them? What are you trying prove here? Any of those guys might be able to win in Dallas but more importantly, they might not cost us the highest salary in the League.

might be? that doesn't sound confident. but I listed them not to prove anything, but to have a healthy discussion and debate on why, why not...

do you think Keenum can win? anything at this point? we would be his 7th team....he is nothing but a journey man back up at this point in his career. same goes for fitzgerald. he can't stick anywhere for a reason. including Miami!!!
I don't like Dalton, he hasn't done squat his entire career, same thing everybody is accusing Dak of not having done...do we win with Dalton? probably not. so why even try? oh, to save money, because the objective is to save money not to win

Marriotta is failure. he got benched last year. in 4 years he hasn't accomplished anything and he looks like a bust headed for the role of a journey man from team to team.

I am not sold on Brady. was he good? yes. he was average last year and he needs a lot of strong weapons at this point in his career and lets not forget the bilicheck factor. he has never played in any other system. he is going to be 43. I don't expect us to make any kind of a run this year, even if Brady was here. New players for Brady. new QB. new System for everyone and coaches are new to the players. so at earliest will probably be 2021 when if everything falls in place (big if), then we make a run. is brady at 44 good enough to make a run with us? and he won't be cheap neither. he is not going to be coming in at 20 or 25 mill....

and then there is Stafford.... it would take a trade to get him. and he is older. his record overall is very average. he is coming off a back injury, which put Romo into retirement. do we want to give up valuable draft picks, specially with as many holes as we have to sign a QB coming off critical back injury that sidelines him in the season. and his track record isn't that great and he has a 1-2 playoff record.

so the question is what is Dak's worth. would $33 Mill a year be palatable?

Kevinicus · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
might be? that doesn't sound confident. but I listed them not to prove anything, but to have a healthy discussion and debate on why, why not...

do you think Keenum can win? anything at this point? we would be his 7th team....he is nothing but a journey man back up at this point in his career. same goes for fitzgerald. he can't stick anywhere for a reason. including Miami!!!
I don't like Dalton, he hasn't done squat his entire career, same thing everybody is accusing Dak of not having done...do we win with Dalton? probably not. so why even try? oh, to save money, because the objective is to save money not to win

Marriotta is failure. he got benched last year. in 4 years he hasn't accomplished anything and he looks like a bust headed for the role of a journey man from team to team.

I am not sold on Brady. was he good? yes. he was average last year and he needs a lot of strong weapons at this point in his career and lets not forget the bilicheck factor. he has never played in any other system. he is going to be 43. I don't expect us to make any kind of a run this year, even if Brady was here. New players for Brady. new QB. new System for everyone and coaches are new to the players. so at earliest will probably be 2021 when if everything falls in place (big if), then we make a run. is brady at 44 good enough to make a run with us? and he won't be cheap neither. he is not going to be coming in at 20 or 25 mill....

and then there is Stafford.... it would take a trade to get him. and he is older. his record overall is very average. he is coming off a back injury, which put Romo into retirement. do we want to give up valuable draft picks, specially with as many holes as we have to sign a QB coming off critical back injury that sidelines him in the season. and his track record isn't that great and he has a 1-2 playoff record.

so the question is what is Dak's worth. would $33 Mill a year be palatable?

Keenum has been on one team that was anywhere close to decent. That team got farther than Dallas has in a quarter century. So, even though QBs do not win or lose, he apparently can win more than Dak.

There are a ton of logical fallacies, factual errors, and poor arguments in your post, but I'll just stick to the first for now.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Well, our QB cost was $2 million last year. Let's find a QB for that amount who can be a bridge.

I don't think we need a million dollar QB. I think we need something within an area of 30 or so, until we have a younger QB who is ready to start and take over. However, if 2 mil is what you want, cool!

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
might be? that doesn't sound confident. but I listed them not to prove anything, but to have a healthy discussion and debate on why, why not...

do you think Keenum can win? anything at this point? we would be his 7th team....he is nothing but a journey man back up at this point in his career. same goes for fitzgerald. he can't stick anywhere for a reason. including Miami!!!
I don't like Dalton, he hasn't done squat his entire career, same thing everybody is accusing Dak of not having done...do we win with Dalton? probably not. so why even try? oh, to save money, because the objective is to save money not to win

Marriotta is failure. he got benched last year. in 4 years he hasn't accomplished anything and he looks like a bust headed for the role of a journey man from team to team.

I am not sold on Brady. was he good? yes. he was average last year and he needs a lot of strong weapons at this point in his career and lets not forget the bilicheck factor. he has never played in any other system. he is going to be 43. I don't expect us to make any kind of a run this year, even if Brady was here. New players for Brady. new QB. new System for everyone and coaches are new to the players. so at earliest will probably be 2021 when if everything falls in place (big if), then we make a run. is brady at 44 good enough to make a run with us? and he won't be cheap neither. he is not going to be coming in at 20 or 25 mill....

and then there is Stafford.... it would take a trade to get him. and he is older. his record overall is very average. he is coming off a back injury, which put Romo into retirement. do we want to give up valuable draft picks, specially with as many holes as we have to sign a QB coming off critical back injury that sidelines him in the season. and his track record isn't that great and he has a 1-2 playoff record.

so the question is what is Dak's worth. would $33 Mill a year be palatable?

So then you are all about confident then? OK, you going on record that Dak is winning a championship next year if he gets paid like he has won a championship? Confidence is all well and good on a message board but it means zero.

I know Keenum can win. Any QB can win in the right situation. You think Dak can't lose if he goes to the wrong situation?

Aviano90 · Feb 25, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't think we need a million dollar QB. I think we need something within an area of 30 or so, until we have a younger QB who is ready to start and take over. However, if 2 mil is what you want, cool!

If money is what we are concerned about, we think Dak has had a ton of help which enabled him to be successful, why not roll the dice on another draft pick surrounded by the talent Dak has had and let him do the same thing? We save a ton of money which should enable us to put together a stronger team around the cheap QB.

I don't want to be in limbo with a mediocre QB getting paid significantly more than what Dak has been making these past 4 years just because they are cheaper than what Dak is asking for.

If we are going to go cheap, then let's go cheap and the new QB sinks or swims. If he sinks, we get draft capital for a top QB. If he swims we save a ton of money on the cap. Win-win.

Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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