Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 25, 2020

Kevinicus said:
Gee, what would Keenum do with all Dak has had his entire career?
And you made my point about QBs not winning. Teams do.

I don't disagree. teams do, but seemingly everyone is blaming Dak for 2019 and going 8-8....he can't win the big one. he can't throw TDs to win games, etc.!!!

and what would Keenum be capable of with a team like cowboys...we know the answer to that...all we have to do is take look at the rest of his career! now, wasn't that simple

Kevinicus · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I don't disagree. teams do, but seemingly everyone is blaming Dak for 2019 and going 8-8....he can't win the big one. he can't throw TDs to win games, etc.!!!

and what would Keenum be capable of with a team like cowboys...we know the answer to that...all we have to do is take look at the rest of his career! now, wasn't that simple

The Cowboys are MUCH MUCH better than the teams Keenum has been on the rest of his career, so...no. We can compare the one team that was relatively similar in talent. That one went to the NFC Championship, and Keenum had a very Dak like year.

morat1959 · Feb 25, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
This is the problem I have with these kinds of discussions. This has been discussed on this board literally hundreds of times. The plan should be to sign a Vet who can come in and give you a chance to win for a few years and Draft a young QB who can be developed. Personally, I don't believe any of those QBs would cost us more then what Dak might cost us but that's here nor there. The point is that if you can't get a deal done with Dak, you can't just allow a player to demand whatever salary they wish. If you can't agree on a salary, then you got to move on. That's the only way you can control your cap. All the rest of this discussion, to me, is pointless. End of day, control your costs or be caught in a bad financial situation until it drags you down. That's kinda how I see it.

Kinda like this front office has done for 25+ years? Lol

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
this was the best on the fence answer I have ever read on this board.

Cool.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:

Fair enough.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 25, 2020

morat1959 said:
Kinda like this front office has done for 25+ years? Lol

Hard to argue that.

Ranched · Feb 25, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Dak wasn't and isn't going anywhere. Always been the case.

Too bad the inevitable is against the haters. :lmao:

HappyOnions · Feb 25, 2020

It's not that Dak is a bad option, its just that this team knows it can do better.

Dak is a good QB, but I'm glad the team is apprehensive about giving him a monster deal because it shows me that they don't want to settle.

There might not be an immediate QB that can come in and be better than Dak was last year, but throughout the next few years, there will definitely be. Why throw huge money at someone if you're not 100% sold?

starfan1 · Feb 25, 2020

HappyOnions said:
It's not that Dak is a bad option, its just that this team knows it can do better.

Dak is a good QB, but I'm glad the team is apprehensive about giving him a monster deal because it shows me that they don't want to settle.

There might not be an immediate QB that can come in and be better than Dak was last year, but throughout the next few years, there will definitely be. Why throw huge money at someone if you're not 100% sold?

I think this is fair but the front office MUST address the middle of the defense at all levels. The special teams MUST get better and while they are doing that if they can upgrade at QB as well then that's a bonus. The biggest necessary upgrade took place when Garrett was let go. and since Jerry isn't releasing himself we need to live with what he does. Dak is the least of our concerns but I understand the money concerns.

basel90 · Feb 25, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
its the story of the past 25 years. flawed Jerry logic. jerry meddling. and as you said, he is desparate and believes a new coach will do magic. in the meantime bad contracts. bad drafts. flawed team...and when he doesn't get the results he expects this year, he will get involved again. and wash, rinse, repeat. I don't believe we will ever see another championship while jerry is around.

Fully agree . The only slight hope is Stephen stepping in and trying to inject influence with Jerry and dak’s agent , or forcing a franchise tag to have some cap space to improve the team .

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 26, 2020

Kevinicus said:
The Cowboys are MUCH MUCH better than the teams Keenum has been on the rest of his career, so...no. We can compare the one team that was relatively similar in talent. That one went to the NFC Championship, and Keenum had a very Dak like year.

and the results have been better than those teams as well. the only year keenum did anything that would be considered special, was when he went to NFCCG with the #1 defense, #1 scoring defense and #7 rushing game. and even then, his numbers were average at best. but some here credit all wins and losses to the QB not the team.

Kevinicus · Feb 26, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
and the results have been better than those teams as well. the only year keenum did anything that would be considered special, was when he went to NFCCG with the #1 defense, #1 scoring defense and #7 rushing game. and even then, his numbers were average at best. but some here credit all wins and losses to the QB not the team.

His numbers that year look like top end Dak numbers.

Your first sentence doesn't isn't clear. Are you saying Dak's teams with much better talent did better than crappy teams? Duh. That's why they are poor compatison tools.

Compare like to like and you see no advantage with Dak.

RonnieT24 · Feb 26, 2020

Kevinicus said:
His numbers that year look like top end Dak numbers.

Your first sentence doesn't isn't clear. Are you saying Dak's teams with much better talent did better than crappy teams? Duh. That's why they are poor compatison tools.

Compare like to like and you see no advantage with Dak.

Umm.. Keenum's best year 2017 he had 22 TDs which ties for Dak's WORST year in that department. That was also his best year in completion percentage at 67.6.. which would rank third behind Dak's best two year. Dak has thrown more TDs 97-75 in fewer games.. He has also thrown for more yards and fewer INTs (36-47).. His yards per attempt for his career is 7.6 compared to 6.9 for Keenum. There really is no objective measure where Keenum exceeds Dak. Well except losing.. He is 8 games below .500 for his career while Dak is 16 games above. They have played nearly the same number of games (64-67) and attempted close to the same number of passes (2071-2091) yet Dak has way more of the good stuff and way less of the bad stuff than Keenum.. Minnesota thought so much of him after their magical one year run in 2017 with him that they jettisoned him at the next exit. If the Cowboys jettison Dak then and only then can we discuss him and Keenum being on the same level.

HellCrowe · Feb 26, 2020

It comes down to the money. If a deal can get done then we have ourselves a QB if not we tag him. From there the FO gives themselves a few options, open contract talks, wait and reevaluate what they have in him through the yea, or see what other teams are trying to give up for a, “top 10 QB.”

Super_Kazuya · Feb 26, 2020

RonnieT24 said:
Umm.. Keenum's best year 2017 he had 22 TDs which ties for Dak's WORST year in that department. That was also his best year in completion percentage at 67.6.. which would rank third behind Dak's best two year. Dak has thrown more TDs 97-75 in fewer games.. He has also thrown for more yards and fewer INTs (36-47).. His yards per attempt for his career is 7.6 compared to 6.9 for Keenum. There really is no objective measure where Keenum exceeds Dak. Well except losing.. He is 8 games below .500 for his career while Dak is 16 games above. They have played nearly the same number of games (64-67) and attempted close to the same number of passes (2071-2091) yet Dak has way more of the good stuff and way less of the bad stuff than Keenum.. Minnesota thought so much of him after their magical one year run in 2017 with him that they jettisoned him at the next exit. If the Cowboys jettison Dak then and only then can we discuss him and Keenum being on the same level.

Keenum only started 14 games that year so you may want to run that through your broken computer. Before last year’s garbage time fest, Dak never exceeded 23 TDs in a season.
Did you count up how many All-Pros Dak has played with compared to Keenum too in your brain dead analysis?

kskboys · Feb 26, 2020

Kevinicus said:
The Cowboys are MUCH MUCH better than the teams Keenum has been on the rest of his career, so...no. We can compare the one team that was relatively similar in talent. That one went to the NFC Championship, and Keenum had a very Dak like year.

Yeah, 3,547 yds and only 22 TD's screams bus driver. Oh, and the #1 D in the NFL.

Super_Kazuya · Feb 26, 2020

kskboys said:
Yeah, 3,547 yds and only 22 TD's screams bus driver. Oh, and the #1 D in the NFL.

More like screams Dak. Dak’s first three year averages: 3625 yards, 22 TDs.

kskboys · Feb 26, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Keenum only started 14 games that year so you may want to run that through your broken computer. Before last year’s garbage time fest, Dak never exceeded 23 TDs in a season.
Did you count up how many All-Pros Dak has played with compared to Keenum too in your brain dead analysis?

MINN had the #1 D in the NFL that year and a top 10 TE in Rudolph and a top notch WR corps w/ Thielen, Diggs, and Jarius Wright. And a very good running game(7th in NFL.)

kskboys · Feb 26, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
More like screams Dak. Dak’s first three year averages: 3625 yards, 22 TDs.

Sure.

Super_Kazuya · Feb 26, 2020

kskboys said:
MINN had the #1 D in the NFL that year and a top 10 TE in Rudolph and a top notch WR corps w/ Thielen, Diggs, and Jarius Wright. And a very good running game(7th in NFL.)

Sounds like about half as much help as Dak has in a typical year. Thanks for trying.
Anytime you want to count up the All-Pros let me know, but we know Dak slobberers run and hide from that game.

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