A question regarding Garrett

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They don’t perform like a top 10 offense when the season is on line. I know all the excuses though. Point is you have to put the points on the board and they don’t.
And that’s exactly why Garrett got fired.
 

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The QB fits his scheme better than Dak did. They will improve. If they get their D worked out to even average to a little better than average, they will be in the hunt for the Division title next year.

And his scheme was okay enough to be in the hunt for the playoffs, but always failed in the playoffs.
 

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I do not believe this.

Garrett is held in much higher regard around the league than he is CowboysZone.

The GM is a FAR bigger problem in Dallas than coaching was. Horrible draft & contract decisions have yielded a flawed roster with a mediocre record.
Garrett couldn’t even get a head coaching job. Nobody wanted him. Giants were the only team stupid enough to have interest as a coordinator.
 

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Fact is Garrett will never get any credit for anything from those that don't like him and will go as far to suggest sabotaging Phillips to get his job.

I don't think he's a great football coach but he's not the worst I've seen. And to tell the truth, I was just tired of seeing him on the sideline and talking about him on the forum.

The one thing that I do not know, and don't know if I'll find out this season, is he a better coach than I think he is? I think he had the single most difficult coaching job in all of sports but still don't know what he actually had to deal with on a daily basis with the Joneses. They weren't on the sideline with him making those decisions.

I don't care for him and do not like the Giants, so I hope he doesn't do well in NY but the majority here got their wish, he is gone. Let's let him go until we meet them for the first time this season.
Lol.....he’s not the worst you have seen?

what an endorsement. Lol
 

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And would be that he was the longest tenured coach in this team's history that never accomplished anything. Your assessment sounds like the requirements for a participation trophy.

Lol. I want them to accomplish what you do as well. But saying they never accomplished anything is kinda absurd unless accomplishment equals NFC championship game or SB.


Two huge assumptions at play there. But yet you want to base your entire argument on them.

I don't "assume" that the Giants will accomplish my hypothetical. I hardly assume that he will receive zero credit if it comes true. Reading some of the current comments people have already made up their mind. Before anything has happened.


I think some of your assessments in this thread are pretty ridiculous too. Garrett's tenure as head coach was a failure. No amount of sugar coating or deflection will ever change that.

Again, I agree he failed to live up to expectations of most of this fan base (including me). I haven't done much in the way of assessing past Cowboys teams in this thread past saying Garrett had a significant role in their successes.
 

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Again, I agree he failed to live up to expectations of most of this fan base (including me). I haven't done much in the way of assessing past Cowboys teams in this thread past saying Garrett had a significant role in their successes.

I think I'd have to question the use of the word 'success'.
 

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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?
Jason sucks. He will not make them any better than 8-8, ever. His offense will be predictable and defenses will figure him out quickly. He will run Saquon to death on first and second downs. Jones goes down on 3rd and 8.
 

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Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?

They might look good at times, but he'll always find a way to lose.
 

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Again, I agree he failed to live up to expectations of most of this fan base (including me). I haven't done much in the way of assessing past Cowboys teams in this thread past saying Garrett had a significant role in their successes.
What kind of expectations did we have with the most inexperienced HC in Cowboys history?

We were disappointed in the results but he led us to more division titles and playoff wins than Phillips, Parcells, Campo and Gailey combined. Jason accumulated the 2nd most wins in Cowboys history.
 

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What kind of expectations did we have with the most inexperienced HC in Cowboys history?

We were disappointed in the results but he led us to more division titles and playoff wins than Phillips, Parcells, Campo and Gailey combined. Jason accumulated the 2nd most wins in Cowboys history.


And how many years did it take him to do it?
 

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I wouldn't be surprised. Jones showed he has some talent. He also has a top RB, a freakishly athletic TE, a solid o line, and a top pick in the draft.

Garrett had some solid years in dallas as an OC, and has to be given some credit for progressing dak.

People can call him a joke all they want, but players have progressed under garrett, and hes won a lot of games in the NFL. It was time for him to leave dallas, but for a rebuilding team like the giants he could bring some value.

Usually when you HC a team for a decade you do acquire a healthy amount of wins. Hell he was below average and is one of the winningest Dallas coaches as far as win total
 

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What kind of expectations did we have with the most inexperienced HC in Cowboys history?

We were disappointed in the results but he led us to more division titles and playoff wins than Phillips, Parcells, Campo and Gailey combined. Jason accumulated the 2nd most wins in Cowboys history.

What a ridiculous stat. He also had more years than Parcells, Campo and Gailey combined. He was pure crap. Where was that win against the Eagles. Cause that's the story of his career. He'll win that crap game in week 17 when they're already in line to clean out their lockers, but that 'game' that defines your season. We all know how that one goes. Still bragging about win %??? LOL
 

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He's still the best clapper in the division. So there's that.

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big dog--Jones talks a lot of trash too just to get the needle on fan gauge to jump
 

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Usually when you HC a team for a decade you do acquire a healthy amount of wins. Hell he was below average and is one of the winningest Dallas coaches as far as win total
Yeah but I'm not talking just wins, his win percentage is very strong. His overall record was 87-70. That's not below average at all.

On a side note I cant believe you guys actually have me defending jason garrett.
 

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What a ridiculous stat. He also had more years than Parcells, Campo and Gailey combined. He was pure crap. Where was that win against the Eagles. Cause that's the story of his career. He'll win that crap game in week 17 when they're already in line to clean out their lockers, but that 'game' that defines your season. We all know how that one goes. Still bragging about win %??? LOL
No more ridiculous stat than only Brady has more wins that Dak last 4 years. I guess those wins didn’t do much for Garrett.
 
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Yeah but I'm not talking just wins, his win percentage is very strong. His overall record was 87-70. That's not below average at all.

On a side note I cant believe you guys actually have me defending jason garrett.

I think it’s below average just because of the talent he had. If he was coaching Miami Dolphins type rosters I’d do backflips and say extend the guy with a slightly above average win percentage . He had SB caliber rosters probably 3x (14,16,19)
 

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What a ridiculous stat. He also had more years than Parcells, Campo and Gailey combined. He was pure crap. Where was that win against the Eagles. Cause that's the story of his career. He'll win that crap game in week 17 when they're already in line to clean out their lockers, but that 'game' that defines your season. We all know how that one goes. Still bragging about win %??? LOL

Win % is a primary measurement of NFL coaches. Whether we want to pretend otherwise or not.
 
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