Theories on Game 1 last year?

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Looking back for a bit before any concrete news emerges about the Boys. What are yalls theories on why the offense looked so different week 1 (you could extend this to weeks 1-3) verses the rest of the season?

I’m not referring to the competition of the teams we played also, because it’s not like we blew them out playing classic JG offensive football. This is strictly about the scheme, we’ve seen JG coached teams have blowouts before (Jaguars 2018), but it still looked schematically like any other game.

We motioned, shifted, and RPO’d the Giants to death week 1. I’d never seen the team do that before, it was almost shocking. I remember the game thread as well, most people were genuinely surprised at what they were seeing schematically.

Where do y’all think that went?
 
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817Gill said:
Looking back for a bit before any concrete news emerges about the Boys. What are yalls theories on why the offense looked so different week 1 (you could extend this to weeks 1-3) verses the rest of the season?

I’m not referring to the competition of the teams we played also, because it’s not like we blew them out playing classic JG offensive football. This is strictly about the scheme, we’ve seen JG coached teams have blowouts before (Jaguars 2018), but it still looked schematically like any other game.

We motioned, shifted, and RPO’d the Giants to death week 1. I’d never seen the team do that before, it was almost shocking. I remember the game thread as well, most people were genuinely surprised at what they were seeing schematically.

Where do y’all think that went?
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The Giants had one of the worst Ds in the league. The game set us up for a rapid fall from grace.
 
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817Gill said:
Looking back for a bit before any concrete news emerges about the Boys. What are yalls theories on why the offense looked so different week 1 (you could extend this to weeks 1-3) verses the rest of the season?

I’m not referring to the competition of the teams we played also, because it’s not like we blew them out playing classic JG offensive football. This is strictly about the scheme, we’ve seen JG coached teams have blowouts before (Jaguars 2018), but it still looked schematically like any other game.

We motioned, shifted, and RPO’d the Giants to death week 1. I’d never seen the team do that before, it was almost shocking. I remember the game thread as well, most people were genuinely surprised at what they were seeing schematically.

Where do y’all think that went?
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You are probably thinking too hard... just add up the records of the first 3 teams and don't over think it.

It's easy when you get ahead and are throwing 30 yard passes to wide open guys to start feeling yourself and start "motioning, shifting and RPOing". In week 4 they played a team with a pulse and had to play it closer to the vest. Sean Payton is not going to be fooled by motion.
 
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817Gill said:
Looking back for a bit before any concrete news emerges about the Boys. What are yalls theories on why the offense looked so different week 1 (you could extend this to weeks 1-3) verses the rest of the season?

I’m not referring to the competition of the teams we played also, because it’s not like we blew them out playing classic JG offensive football. This is strictly about the scheme, we’ve seen JG coached teams have blowouts before (Jaguars 2018), but it still looked schematically like any other game.

We motioned, shifted, and RPO’d the Giants to death week 1. I’d never seen the team do that before, it was almost shocking. I remember the game thread as well, most people were genuinely surprised at what they were seeing schematically.

Where do y’all think that went?
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We started playing better teams and Garrett started going conservative. Play action and passing on first down percentages slid lower and lower. When teams started seeing our run blocking was not as good and Zeke was not showing the same burst, they started showing fewer in the box and daring us to run and like clockwork we did. Running into walls on first down led to 3rd and long and 3 and outs. When special teams suck and defense does not generate turnovers, the offense then needs to go 75-80 yards to score and the crap cycle continues.
 
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The Cowboys' inability to keep that train on the tracks is an interesting topic. It's too easy to blame Garrett for the derailment but he was in a prime position to prevent it and yet failed. He's gone now along with the bulk of his staff with rare exceptions. So we can hope Mike McCarthy and his staff can be better engineers. But let's not think coaching was the team's sole reason for its demise last season. Special teams were atrocious. The defense leaked like a sieve when defending the ground game.

Game 1 of the 2019 season showed no indications of what would come in the proceeding games. The Cowboys looked unstoppable.
 
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Super_Kazuya said:
You are probably thinking too hard... just add up the records of the first 3 teams and don't over think it.

It's easy when you get ahead and are throwing 30 yard passes to wide open guys to start feeling yourself and start "motioning, shifting and RPOing". In week 4 they played a team with a pulse and had to play it closer to the vest. Sean Payton is not going to be fooled by motion.
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So you agree, Garrett shut it down.

Garret was to afraid to even try it against better teams to see how it would work, so technically, yes he did sabotage himself.
 
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JG. Honest to God, I think he screwed us.

I remember in the first week, Zeke took something like 15 carries, and only 1 was against an 8 man front. Then you're telling me the OC that called that discovered a newfound love for 3 TE inside running a month later? Hellll no. That reeks of Garrett.
 
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817Gill said:
Looking back for a bit before any concrete news emerges about the Boys. What are yalls theories on why the offense looked so different week 1 (you could extend this to weeks 1-3) verses the rest of the season?

I’m not referring to the competition of the teams we played also, because it’s not like we blew them out playing classic JG offensive football. This is strictly about the scheme, we’ve seen JG coached teams have blowouts before (Jaguars 2018), but it still looked schematically like any other game.

We motioned, shifted, and RPO’d the Giants to death week 1. I’d never seen the team do that before, it was almost shocking. I remember the game thread as well, most people were genuinely surprised at what they were seeing schematically.

Where do y’all think that went?
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DallasInDC said:
So you agree, Garrett shut it down.

Garret was to afraid to even try it against better teams to see how it would work, so technically, yes he did sabotage himself.
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Sounds like a new person has discovered the magic of hindsight.
 
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rocyaice said:
Yeah I just don’t see the perks for him doing it.
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Classic Garrett panic move of where he goes back into his conservative shell. Run zeke up the middle, no game plan, predictable, doesn’t matter strength and weaknesses nonsense. Saw it for 14 years while he was here.
 
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They couldn’t rely solely on Zeke so they had to change things up? As Zeke progressed into rhythm, the offense reverted back to normal. I don’t know, just spitballing here.......
 
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rocyaice said:
I don’t have answers. I just can’t buy Garrett intentionally sabotaging himself and his team by getting more conservative.
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Well keep in mind Garret was a lame duck coach. So he was coaching for his life. He'd probably be more comfortable doing it 'his way' than let a kid decide his fate, despite the success in game 1. He forced the team to run 50/50 irregardless of the opposition. Just dumb.
 
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817Gill said:
Looking back for a bit before any concrete news emerges about the Boys. What are yalls theories on why the offense looked so different week 1 (you could extend this to weeks 1-3) verses the rest of the season?

I’m not referring to the competition of the teams we played also, because it’s not like we blew them out playing classic JG offensive football. This is strictly about the scheme, we’ve seen JG coached teams have blowouts before (Jaguars 2018), but it still looked schematically like any other game.

We motioned, shifted, and RPO’d the Giants to death week 1. I’d never seen the team do that before, it was almost shocking. I remember the game thread as well, most people were genuinely surprised at what they were seeing schematically.

Where do y’all think that went?
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JG saw that Kellen if too successful could take over as HC and the jones boys would then let JG go.
So he had to throw a wrench in that wheel.
I think the jones boys had planned to get a new DC and make kellen HC, and then talked to MM,
and changed their minds. That is why they wanted to hang on to Kellen, so he can take over after
mike either fails or retires.

I dont think JG thought the team would quit on him, or that they would wind up out of the playoffs.
The players knew if they missed playoffs JG was gone, so they made that happen.
The one game they played for real was the LA game.
 
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