News: PFT: New CBA will make it harder to hold out

Longboysfan · Feb 27, 2020

Reality said:
After reading this article, this is likely one of the main reasons many of the higher tier paid players are coming out publicly against the CBA.

Is there a link to the CBA document to look at?

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 27, 2020

What a mess. They already have the players by the balls......grab em some more.......smh.

EJK24 · Feb 27, 2020

I dont know how I'm going to carry on in life if these millionaires and billionaires cant come to an agreement that makes all parties happy.

In all reality, I understand that there are alot of people the CBA affects and I'm not saying what anyone rightfully deserves or doesn't, but I don't really care to take a side or feel bad for anyone involved. I'd prefer this thing just get settled so we can move closer to the things that actually matter to me as a fan such as free agency and the draft.

Not against anyone getting paid, just dont care to hear players or owners pissing and moaning about money.

DeaconBlues · Feb 27, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
Good. It infuriates me when a player holds out when there's still time left on his contract. I see that as violating your word and hence dishonoring yourself, but I have old school values. I'm one of these old coots who's crazy enough to believe that your word is sacred and should never be broken.

I know the answer's beaten into the ground: If you are going to force player to live up to the contract and not hold out, then make the contracts fully guaranteed, like MLB and NHL.

buybuydandavis · Feb 27, 2020

Reality said:
New CBA will make it harder to hold out - ProFootballTalk

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.
And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on ~~town~~ (time) or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.

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Getting dinged on an accrued season is huge.

The 40k/day not so much. They really need to scale all penalties to cap hit that year. Dak will make 50 times what some rookie makes.

To substantially increase fines without scaling them to cap hit will really screw players at the bottom.

Runwildboys · Feb 27, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Well then owners "should understand" that an athlete and agent will use what bargaining means are at their disposal when they outplay a contract. If an owner doesn't have to adhere to years signed, then neither should a player. And what does what the average person make have to do with anything? Maybe the average person should apply themselves to become the best in the world at what they do if they want more money and what another makes in their particular field "offends" them. If they don't work in a field where that's possible then, as you say, "life's not fair." They just better pay their electric bills.

I guess that's why some players insist on a certain amount of guaranteed money.

Reality · Feb 27, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Getting dinged on an accrued season is huge.

The 40k/day not so much. They really need to scale all penalties to cap hit that year. Dak will make 50 times what some rookie makes.

To substantially increase fines without scaling them to cap hit will really screw players at the bottom.

That's something I've said for years and it's not just those fines, but all fines.

Players with rich contracts can do whatever they want on or off the field because the max fines are nothing to them, while players with minimum or low contracts might end up losing one or two game checks for the same thing.

Reality · Feb 27, 2020

Longboysfan said:
Is there a link to the CBA document to look at?

I have not seen one but not sure really.

I would not be surprised though if it's not released publicly until they approve or outright reject it.

Beaker42 · Feb 27, 2020

Reality said:
New CBA will make it harder to hold out - ProFootballTalk

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on ~~town~~ (time) or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.

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Good. Way past time to drop the hammer on these ingrates. For those that are going to retort, spare me ...... these guys signed contracts and they need to have their feet held to the fire for playing a FREAKING GAME.

BrassCowboy · Feb 27, 2020

Corso said:
The Zeke Rule

no, because this rule would not of applied to Zeke, he was not in his second contract. He was in his rookie cotract.

Corso · Feb 27, 2020

BrassCowboy said:
no, because this rule would not of applied to Zeke, he was not in his second contract. He was in his rookie cotract.

I already said I don't care and I'm not backing down from it.
Call Sokolove and class-action that B.
I'll fight all of you!

Corso · Feb 27, 2020

Beaker42 said:
Good. Way past time to drop the hammer on these ingrates. For those that are going to retort, spare me ...... these guys signed contracts and they need to have their feet held to the fire for playing a FREAKING GAME.

I retort.

Ranched · Feb 27, 2020

It’s not exactly a stretch to expect people to honor their contracts.

And seems like the NFLPA can’t really “fight” this issue too much when they’re negotiating basically the overall contract of every player.

conner01 · Feb 27, 2020

Sydla said:
Lots of tradeoffs. Players probably wanted the tags to go away, so owners agree to drop one but then the payback is players now will find it expensive to hold out.

Seems fair

visionary · Feb 27, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Then what do you think of owners cutting a player still under contract due to enormous cap hits, etc.?

for the life of me I cannot understand why people don’t seem to have ANY understanding of how a contract works and keep asking this silly question year after year and year

if ANY team cut a player ‘still under contract’ that they could not have as part of the contract (hence violated the contract), the player could sue the team

BUT we haven’t heard of ANY players doing this

WHY OH WHY might that be?

perhaps it is because the clause allowing a team to do so is PART OF THE CONTRACT in exchange for things like big signing bonus etc HENCE the team is actually ALLOWED to do this AS PART OF THE CONTRACT

if the player doesn’t want to be in that position, negotiate the contract differently

can’t be this simple, can it?

atlantacowboy · Feb 27, 2020

DeaconBlues said:
I know the answer's beaten into the ground: If you are going to force player to live up to the contract and not hold out, then make the contracts fully guaranteed, like MLB and NHL.

All that would happen is that the big fancy 9 figure contracts wouldn't be seen anymore. Everyone knows the Guaranteed money is all that matters and the agents negotiate accordingly.

Jake · Feb 27, 2020

Reality said:
New CBA will make it harder to hold out - ProFootballTalk

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on ~~town~~ (time) or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.

Read Full Story

This will make a lot of fans happy, who would play for their favorite team for free (until they were actually good enough to do it).

They like the players being treated as indentured servants, so they can see their favorite uniforms win on Sunday.

Tussinman · Feb 27, 2020

Will it make harder for Goddell to convict someone just because he doesn't like them ? (i'm shocked that hasn't been brought up, that was one of the biggest issues of the last CBA and i've literally heard nothing about it)

Jake · Feb 27, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
Good. It infuriates me when a player holds out when there's still time left on his contract. I see that as violating your word and hence dishonoring yourself, but I have old school values. I'm one of these old coots who's crazy enough to believe that your word is sacred and should never be broken.

And yet, it apparently doesn't bother you at all when a team dumps a player when there's still time on his contract.

This has nothing to do with any sacred "word", because if it did you'd be mad both ways. You're only mad at the players.

You're not an old coot with an alleged value system. You're just a fan who wants to see his favorite uniform win on Sunday.

jaythecowboy · Feb 27, 2020

visionary said:
for the life of me I cannot understand why people don’t seem to have ANY understanding of how a contract works and keep asking this silly question year after year and year

if ANY team cut a player ‘still under contract’ that they could not have as part of the contract (hence violated the contract), the player could sue the team

BUT we haven’t heard of ANY players doing this

WHY OH WHY might that be?

perhaps it is because the clause allowing a team to do so is PART OF THE CONTRACT in exchange for things like big signing bonus etc HENCE the team is actually ALLOWED to do this AS PART OF THE CONTRACT

if the player doesn’t want to be in that position, negotiate the contract differently

can’t be this simple, can it?

You do realize that is what is happening now, right? Negotiating?

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