News: T.J. Watt Vs. Taco Charlton: McCarthy Weighs in On Cowboys Philosophy

Stash · Mar 1, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
I'm literally quoting his resume'. So, i'm not the one posting bull****.

You go ahead and do that. I guess you missed who was actually calling the plays and speaking to the media last year. But you go right ahead and 'read the paperwork' and check your brain at the door. Believe whatever they want you to believe rather than thinking for yourself. Be exactly part of the problem I was mentioning.

HowardC · Mar 1, 2020

Manwiththeplan said:
Probably was a little of both...okay, a lot of Matt Millen being terrible and a little of Marenelli having a poor eye for talent

I'm not trying to defend Marinelli but to say that he was the reason why the Lions were lacking on talent just isn't true. Millen was historically bad as the GM there. He passed on D Ware which allowed Dallas to get him.

DHCBF66 · Mar 1, 2020

glimmerman said:
I always thought Watt was a no brainer and when we picked taco I assumed they knew what they were doing. But remember the reaction when Marinelli scored Joey ivie.

Ya, Ivie in the 6th, what a waste of a high pick!

atlantacowboy · Mar 1, 2020

stasheroo said:
You go ahead and do that. I guess you missed who was actually calling the plays and speaking to the media last year. But you go right ahead and 'read the paperwork' and check your brain at the door. Believe whatever they want you to believe rather than thinking for yourself. Be exactly part of the problem I was mentioning.

You literally have no idea what you are taking about. Mainelli was the DC. It was his defense. He generously allowed Kris a co-coordinator role and gave him some autonomy in the secondary, but make no mistake about who was calling the shots.

"When Richard first arrived here at The Star, he was viewed as a hiring steal, a Legion of Boom coordinator with the Super Bowl Seahawks who was overqualified to serve as simply Rod Marinelli's helper. Indeed, Marinelli generously created a "co-coordinator'' feel out of the arrangement - a move that Richard earned due to his intelligence, talent, work ethic and intensity" .

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...is-richard-might-move-up-to-a-super-bowl-team

Jfconrow · Mar 1, 2020

Horrible pick

ChuckA1 · Mar 1, 2020

Adreme said:
I mean yes hindsight is 20/20 and I am sure every team could look back and wish they had drafted a different player at one point with multiple of their picks in multiple drafts, but at the end of the day you make a pick and hope its right.

Nope. And I am normally a guy that gives the FO the benefit of the doubt. But not on taking Taco over TJ Watt! That may go down as one of the worst Cowboys misses of all time.

SSoup · Mar 2, 2020

bewp7 said:
barf i hate how much of a voice marinelli had in the draft and roster decisions...really gross reading about how he and others were more focused on fit than production and on field talent (not just measurables!)

I think the Tampa 2 people were a cancer and we were doomed the minute we granted the premise that they could give us anything worthwhile without the unique, generational talents that that Tampa defense had.

It's like hiring some offensive coach who worked for the late '90s Vikings knowing full well they don't possess a magic wand that will enable them to magically make another Randy Moss materialize so they can do the stuff that only worked because of Moss.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
You literally have no idea what you are taking about. Mainelli was the DC. It was his defense. He generously allowed Kris a co-coordinator role and gave him some autonomy in the secondary, but make no mistake about who was calling the shots.

I "make no mistake". I know exactly who was calling the plays, and who was the defensive line coach. But you can feel free to buy their bull**** hook, line, and sinker if you feel the need.

"When Richard first arrived here at The Star, he was viewed as a hiring steal, a Legion of Boom coordinator with the Super Bowl Seahawks who was overqualified to serve as simply Rod Marinelli's helper. Indeed, Marinelli generously created a "co-coordinator'' feel out of the arrangement - a move that Richard earned due to his intelligence, talent, work ethic and intensity" .

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...is-richard-might-move-up-to-a-super-bowl-team

Watch a game. Take a look at which guy was actually wearing the headset, talking to people and sending in the plays. Maybe if you do it enough, you'll eventually get it.

atlantacowboy · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
I "make no mistake". I know exactly who was calling the plays, and who was the defensive line coach. But you can feel free to buy their bull**** hook, line, and sinker if you feel the need.

Watch a game. Take a look at which guy was actually wearing the headset, talking to people and sending in the plays. Maybe if you do it enough, you'll eventually get it.

Yeah, me not watching games is the problem. :facepalm:

You have inferred an awful lot from your view on tv. Pardon me for delving deeper.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Yeah, me not watching games is the problem.

You have inferred an awful lot from your view on tv. Pardon me for delving deeper.

If you consider taking whatever is given to you at face value as "digging deeper", that's on you. What it truly is is simply accepting whatever rhetoric the team serves you as the truth.

But don't take my word for it, do some homework on your own. Take this definition and add the words 'Cowboys defensive coordinator' on Google and see what yiu come up with on your own.

de fac·to
/ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.

Maybe then the lightbulb will finally come on for you.

atlantacowboy · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
If you consider taking whatever is given to you at face value as "digging deeper", that's on you. What it truly is is simply accepting whatever rhetoric the team serves you as the truth.

But don't take my word for it, do some homework on your own. Take this definition and add the words 'Cowboys defensive coordinator' on Google and see what yiu come up with on your own.

de fac·to
/ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.

Maybe then the lightbulb will finally come on for you.

What part of Marinelli generously creating a position for Kris and allowing his some autonomy translates into Kris was running the show?

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
What part of Marinelli generously creating a position for Kris and allowing his some autonomy translates into Kris was running the show?

"Generously creating" is a nice phrase for saying "I don't want to do it anymore, you handle it". And that's exactly what Marinelli did, and exactly what he is doing now. He didn't want to do the whole job of coordinating anymore. Heck, there were rumors that he was considering outright retirement. Marinelli himself wanted things taken off of his plate. That's why it was Richard handling more of the responsibilities. And when you're handling most of them than the other guy, you are in fact, the de facto defensive coordinator.

Do us both a favor and do some homework and search the information I gave you to find out what was actually happening.

BotchedLobotomy · Mar 2, 2020

Future said:
Taco sucks. Tj is overrated.

Both can be true.

The old "double down when you're proven 100% wrong" move.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 2, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
YES he could!!!! He weighs more than Quinn!!! What did Quinn play for us?

Yes who could? OK well, I assume you are talking about Watt? Again, his problem was his inability to come off the ball from a 3 point stance. He's much better when he rushes from the stand up position. Quinn can bend the edge. He is much better at coming off the corner from the three point stance, which is why he can play edge rush from the DE in a 43.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 2, 2020

Tass said:
If Gregory is a viable DE option then so is Watt.

They have the same measurables except Watt isn't a pothead.

OK, how so?

And so we are clear, I never said I thought Gregory was or was not viable. Please, continue.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yes who could? OK well, I assume you are talking about Watt? Again, his problem was his inability to come off the ball from a 3 point stance. He's much better when he rushes from the stand up position. Quinn can bend the edge. He is much better at coming off the corner from the three point stance, which is why he can play edge rush from the DE in a 43.

Maybe you've never actually watched Watt play?

SkywalkerSteele · Mar 2, 2020

I think it is very encouraging that McCarthy is all about fitting a good player in any scheme as opposed to passing on one just cuz he "doesnt fit the system". I went as far as making it a talking point on my previous show. Far to long that has hurt the Cowboys in passing on talent via free agency or the draft. We've generally done well in the draft when we are in the top 18 or so, but the Taco Watt thing was just blatantly obvious from the jump

Future · Mar 2, 2020

BotchedLobotomy said:
The old "double down when you're proven 100% wrong" move.

What exactly am I wrong about?

I haven't been proven wrong on anything lol.

atlantacowboy · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
"Generously creating" is a nice phrase for saying "I don't want to do it anymore, you handle it". And that's exactly what Marinelli did, and exactly what he is doing now. He didn't want to do the whole job of coordinating anymore. Heck, there were rumors that he was considering outright retirement. Marinelli himself wanted things taken off of his plate. That's why it was Richard handling more of the responsibilities. And when you're handling most of them than the other guy, you are in fact, the de facto defensive coordinator.

Do us both a favor and do some homework and search the information I gave you to find out what was actually happening.

What information? I've done "homework" and can find nothing calling Richard our DC the past 2 seasons. Thats your claim and all you have backed it up with is a reference to Richard wearing a headset on TV.

The only fact here is that Richard never held the title.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
What information? I've done "homework" and can find nothing calling Richard our DC the past 2 seasons.

I can again show you the door, I can't make you walk through it. If you want to knowingly practice willful ignorance, that's your issue, not mine.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kri...rome..69i57.6992j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thats your claim and all you have backed it up with is a reference to Richard wearing a headset on TV.

The only fact here is that Richard never held the title.

I never claimed that he did. I said that he did the job.

If you want to check your brain at the door and simply look at the title, that's your problem.

I, and everyone else knows who the real coordinator was.

Cover your own eyes, you're not covering mine.

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