Will McCarthy have us better than 8-8 or worse?

Ranched · Mar 2, 2020

beware_d-ware said:
the Eagles are due for positive regression as well after they had mountains of injuries last year, but the NFC East looks to be within our reach.

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Stash · Mar 2, 2020

Idgit said:
That’s all I had for what you typed, yes. You’re making fart noises over there. I’m not obligated to take those seriously.

If you ever want to address the topic like an adult, just let me know. I’ll be here. Or you can read what I have to say on the topic to other legitimate posters as it will probably come up naturally in the course of the thread.

Yeah, slink away once again when you're called out. Show those true colors - yellow. Once again, prove everything I've said right.

Idgit · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
Yeah, slink away once again when you're called out. Show those true colors - yellow. Once again, prove everything I've said right.

Yawn. You didn’t “call me out.” You made a string of dumb, unsupportable insults.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

Idgit said:
Yawn. You didn’t “call me out.” You made a string of dumb, unsupportable insults.

Should I do it again? So you can again pretend like it didn't happen and do nothing to back up your latest bluster?

You're nothing but noise. Toothless bluster with no bite. Nothing behind anything you have to say.

Credibility zero.

Idgit · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
Should I do it again? So you can again pretend like it didn't happen and do nothing to back up your latest bluster?

You're nothing but noise. Toothless bluster with no bite. Nothing behind anything you have to say.

Credibility zero.

Do what you like, as long as you stay within the guidelines, I don’t care. Your posts are immaterial content-wise.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

Idgit said:
Do what you like, as long as you stay within the guidelines, I don’t care. Your posts are immaterial content-wise.

I'm fine within the guidelines. Make sure you don't abuse anything yourself and don't try the veiled threats with me.

Idgit · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
I'm fine within the guidelines. Make sure you don't abuse anything yourself and don't try the veiled threats with me.

Not a veiled threat in any way. You are perfectly within the guidelines here.

It was a direct reference to my literally not caring what you have to say here. The only exception being if you say something I have to moderate. Otherwise, I wouldn’t read your posts at all.

Don’t be so thin skinned. It doesn’t go well with your complete inability to make an interesting point.

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

Idgit said:
Not a veiled threat in any way. You are perfectly within the guidelines here.

So why was it mentioned? You betray yourself.

It was a direct reference to my literally not caring what you have to say here. The only exception being if you say something I have to moderate. Otherwise, I wouldn’t read your posts at all.

Clearly. That's why you come back here and responded at least 10- times in this thread. Because you 'don't care'. What color isn't the sky in your world?

Don’t be so thin skinned. It doesn’t go well with your complete inability to make an interesting point.

Look in the mirror.

Your hero got kicked out of town, and he took your credibility with him.

Idgit · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
So why was it mentioned? You betray yourself.

Clearly. That's why you come back here and responded at least 10- times in this thread. Because you 'don't care'. What color isn't the sky in your world?

Look in the mirror.

Your hero got kicked out of town, and he took your credibility with him.

I explained explicitly why it was mentioned. Even though it was obvious from the original context. Stop asking dumb questions

Stash · Mar 2, 2020

Idgit said:
I explained explicitly why it was mentioned. Even though it was obvious from the original context. Stop asking dumb questions

So if I'm within the guidelines, why does staying within the guidelines need to be mentioned? Once again you're exposed.

Idgit · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
So if I'm within the guidelines, why does staying within the guidelines need to be mentioned? Once again you're exposed.

I don’t need to explain the comment a third time. Go back and read the obvious answer in one of the other posts.

Blitzen · Mar 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
They didn't have the coaching talent. They certainly had the player talent. And everyone that covered the NFL knew it, or do you conveniently forget that anytime anyone talked about the Cowboys they said that? What they never said, and rightfully so, was that the Cowboys ever got great coaching under the Garrett regime, because they didn't.

stasheroo said:
Yeah, it's obvious what you "call it", and then there's me and everyone else seeing it fur the excuses that it is. Nobody ever said "Garrett brought zero", that's yiu inventing imaginary monsters to conquer Don Quixote.

All evidence to the contrary. But nine so blind as will not see. Another 8-8 failure during the best opportunity the franchise has ever had, and you and a few holdouts in the corner refuse to call it for what it is.

McCarthy has a Super Bowl, and 9 out of 13 years in the playoffs. If yiu can't see the !better' there, time to get your eyes checked. The problem lies with you.

I'll be proven 'correct' yet again. Just like I was with Jason Garrett. McCarthy will have this team contending in short order. In that "3 years" you quoted or less.

And then you, like those few others, might finally get it.

You believe that the difference is great coaching vs mediocre coaching (and somehow this behemoth of a talented roster goes out and proves its mettle). There is no way to actually prove (no matter what opinionated evidence you submit) that Garrett was the team's major detractor. I will enjoy you thinking you won anything if the Cowboys succeed in making the NFC championship or SB in the next few years with McCarthy. I'm a Cowboys fan, and cannot think of anything better happening for the team we both support.

Buzzbait · Mar 3, 2020

Idgit said:
How much better though? Assume for now we’ve got roughly the same quality of roster, losing guys like Jones and M Collins but with another draft and LVE and Crawford back and contributing. How much better should we really expect to be now that the coaching problem has been fixed? One more playoff win? Two? What’s the actual lift? These 8-8 predictions don’t factor in any improvement whatsoever. That doesn’t seem right given how shot out of a cannon everybody was to upgrade HC. 8-8 is Garrett Territory, right?

Man some of you guys are really fired up in here. LOL :oldcouple:

All else equal and assuming the same exact roster and schedule I would expect McCarthy to have won 10 games instead of Garrett's 8-8.
However, "all else" is not going to be equal. Garrett has had 10 years to install his "process", his coaches, his players, and his way of doing things.
McCarthy hasn't even had 1 full off season yet, no draft, no FA period, and he's never coached a single Cowboys game. He's had no time yet to install his new system, and at this point nobody knows what our roster will look like, so like I said, "all else" is not equal.
With all that to consider, I don't know how long it will take to get all Mac's ducks in a row, so it's impossible to make serious predictions.
But.....when it's all said and done and Mac's system is fully settled in, I totally expect to see Mac seriously outperform Jason Garrett as HC of the Cowboys.

JW82 · Mar 3, 2020

I am looking at the McCarthy era as the 5 year contract as a whole. I expect to be in 2-3 NFC championship games with a legit chance at being the super bowl champion over the next 5 seasons. With the new defense and new offensive scheme, not to mention a 50% roster turnover potentially, I expect a learning curve and a slower start to the season, but a strong 2nd half resulting in a 10 win season. Bottom line I KNOW, not hope, that over the next 5 years we will not go out on the field, with our head coach as a detriment to the team as we have for the last 9 seasons.

Doomsday101 · Mar 3, 2020

Idgit said:
Honestly, though, Dooms...what are we waiting for to talk about? I agree with you about your expectations, because that’s where I expect us to fall as well, but if we’ve upgraded the staff, isn’t it reasonable to expect better results?

Of course, we all know there are a ton of factors that influence the outcomes of seasons, and not all of them are under a HC’s control. I’ve made that same argument many times. But as far as expectations go....if the issue was the coaching, HC and DC both, supposedly, and we got major upgrades in both roles....why do expectations start right at the bottom of the same hill we couldn’t get over when we fired the last guy? I don’t understand the thought process.

I think and thought last year as many who cover the NFL that the Cowboys have the talent to win. It really falls to the HC and his staff to get players to play up to their abilities. It is not just X's and O's it is knowing how to push a player or even a team and guild them in a direction where you get the most out of them. I think Cowboys still have the core talent and expect to see some other players brought in to add to this group. Unlike some I never hated Garrett and I think he did some good but in the end it falls to the HC to know when and how to push a team to get the most out of them.

Stash · Mar 3, 2020

Blitzen said:
You believe that the difference is great coaching vs mediocre coaching (and somehow this behemoth of a talented roster goes out and proves its mettle). There is no way to actually prove (no matter what opinionated evidence you submit) that Garrett was the team's major detractor. I will enjoy you thinking you won anything if the Cowboys succeed in making the NFC championship or SB in the next few years with McCarthy.

You can type this and then claim you're not making excuses for Garrett's decade of failure? I urge you to reread your own comments as many times a season you need to until you get it.

I'm a Cowboys fan, and cannot think of anything better happening for the team we both support.

On this point, we most certainly agree.
:thumbup:

Idgit · Mar 3, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I think and thought last year as many who cover the NFL that the Cowboys have the talent to win. It really falls to the HC and his staff to get players to play up to their abilities. It is not just X's and O's it is knowing how to push a player or even a team and guild them in a direction where you get the most out of them. I think Cowboys still have the core talent and expect to see some other players brought in to add to this group. Unlike some I never hated Garrett and I think he did some good but in the end it falls to the HC to know when and how to push a team to get the most out of them.

But then why aren’t the expectations something more like finally getting to a championship game? Those were my expectations going into last season at least. I thought we had a team capable of competing for a Superbowl. It’s interesting to see that same team, under now a Superbowl-winning coach of the caliber everybody has been saying we’ve needed all this time to get over the hump, and here everybody is hedging their bets and “expecting” the same level of performance we’ve seen from the Cowboys since 2014. Where’s the expectation for lift? We just fixed the one thing that’s been holding our Superbowl roster back.

Doomsday101 · Mar 3, 2020

Idgit said:
But then why aren’t the expectations something more like finally getting to a championship game? Those were my expectations going into last season at least. I thought we had a team capable of competing for a Superbowl. It’s interesting to see that same team, under now a Superbowl-winning coach of the caliber everybody has been saying we’ve needed all this time to get over the hump, and here everybody is hedging their bets and “expecting” the same level of performance we’ve seen from the Cowboys since 2014. Where’s the expectation for lift? We just fixed the one thing that’s been holding our Superbowl roster back.

For some they just do not like going out on the limb with high expectations. It seems to be their emotional safety net. I can't say 100% positive that McCarthy will come in and get this team playing to the level they are capable of but I do think he is a coach with skins on the wall who has helped lead teams to championship games and I think if he can get this team believing in him and what he wants from them that he very well could get these players playing to a high consistent level. On the flip side maybe he can't but as a fan there is a certain benefit of the doubt I will give to my team

Idgit · Mar 3, 2020

Buzzbait said:
Man some of you guys are really fired up in here. LOL
All else equal and assuming the same exact roster and schedule I would expect McCarthy to have won 10 games instead of Garrett's 8-8.
However, "all else" is not going to be equal. Garrett has had 10 years to install his "process", his coaches, his players, and his way of doing things.
McCarthy hasn't even had 1 full off season yet, no draft, no FA period, and he's never coached a single Cowboys game. He's had no time yet to install his new system, and at this point nobody knows what our roster will look like, so like I said, "all else" is not equal.
With all that to consider, I don't know how long it will take to get all Mac's ducks in a row, so it's impossible to make serious predictions.
But.....when it's all said and done and Mac's system is fully settled in, I totally expect to see Mac seriously outperform Jason Garrett as HC of the Cowboys.

10 games with the best roster in the NFC is still underperforming though, right? Let’s take Garrett out of it entirely, because he’s irrelevant now.

The guy’s been a HC in this league for 13 years. Ok, maybe we give him a season to get his sea legs back, I’m not sure that’s necessary, but it’s it unreasonable. We’re in a competitive window now, and the whole reason he was hired was because he’s the guy capable of taking advantage of that right now. But 10 wins from a guy like that with a really good roster in its prime still seems like sandbagging a bit. 10 wins might not even win us the East. Where’s all the talk about us being the Cowboys? About not settling and. It having a loser mentality? We’re not even a shoe-in for the playoffs, and we’ve just fixed the number one thing that was broken on the “best” roster in the conference?

Idgit · Mar 3, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
For some they just do not like going out on the limb with high expectations. It seems to be their emotional safety net. I can't say 100% positive that McCarthy will come in and get this team playing to the level they are capable of but I do think he is a coach with skins on the wall who has helped lead teams to championship games and I think if he can get this team believing in him and what he wants from them that he very well could get these players playing to a high consistent level. On the flip side maybe he can't but as a fan there is a certain benefit of the doubt I will give to my team

I’m obviously ribbing a bit, but it is interesting to see. From a group of people who were so certain they knew exactly what the problem was, when the problem is fixed, immediately the expectations drop to 8-8/10-6. And if you point it out your a coward and a hypocrite. I mean, what the hell was all the howling about going back to 2013? It was non-stop certainty what had been holding this team back. That hurdle get removed and were back immediately to the exact same expectations for the production we’ve been getting for years, and nobody wants to own it.

Will McCarthy have us better than 8-8 or worse?

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