Why I don’t think we should sign Cooper

Risen Star · Mar 2, 2020

Because you're a hater, Bob. You need medication.

Bobhaze · Mar 2, 2020

Tussinman said:
Gallup started 4 less games and only has 80 less yards....... (his yards don't impress me).

Agreed that you don't let him walk but you also have to call it like it is. Both his pro bowls for the cowboys where alternates and he's never made all-pro team. He's a very solid starter but not elite (basically a slightly less exagerrated Byron Jones). If his agent thinks he can easily get 20million a year then you tell him to kick rocks

Great points.

fivetwos · Mar 2, 2020

Tussinman said:
Keep Cobb, Draft a WR in the 2nd round, and start Gallup.

You'd essentially at that point have three starting WR's with 2nd round grades and a TE who will also be upgraded as well (along with 3 pro bowl caliber WR and the highest paid RB in the league).

How much more freaking talent do you need ?

Our top paid QB needs a top paid OL, along with the highest paid RB, and top paid WR and STILL doesnt win....

Then I read that we want Heath back. Where is this defense going to improve and how?? The draft? Haha, no.

The answer is they arent. The bank will be broken for status quo on this team, and they will wonder why the results dont change.

Thing is, last years schedule killed this team moving ahead. They racked up points and yards against teams that were tanking, and couldnt do a THING when it mattered at Chi or Philly.

This is NOT a great offense as it is. That's the myth and a serious issue.

Bobhaze · Mar 2, 2020

Risen Star said:
Because you're a hater, Bob. You need medication.

Still waitin’ on that last prescription.

Thomas82 · Mar 2, 2020

fivetwos said:
The best value at 17 is going to be Jeudy or Lamb when they slip.

Should work it out with Prescott already because they are going to eventually cave....and tag Cooper.

If the draft goes your way you lift the tag.

Even if we keep Coop, I still hope we get Jeudy or Lamb. My choice would be Lamb.

Kaiser · Mar 2, 2020

Tussinman said:
Gallup started 4 less games and only has 80 less yards....... (his yards don't impress me).

Agreed that you don't let him walk but you also have to call it like it is. Both his pro bowls for the cowboys where alternates and he's never made all-pro team. He's a very solid starter but not elite (basically a slightly less exagerrated Byron Jones). If his agent thinks he can easily get 20million a year then you tell him to kick rocks

I don't go 20 Million either but I don't think he is going to turn down a good offer from Dallas. He has said all the right things all along the way and clearly likes playing on this team, there are plenty of creative structures (like Zeke that I mentioned above) to get him enough money but done in a way that works for the Dallas cap.

I think Dak, Amari and Quinn are all resigned before FA and the initial cap hits will be lower than people here expect.

Bobhaze · Mar 2, 2020

Kaiser said:
I don't go 20 Million either but I don't think he is going to turn down a good offer from Dallas. He has said all the right things all along the way and clearly likes playing on this team, there are plenty of creative structures (like Zeke that I mentioned above) to get him enough money but done in a way that works for the Dallas cap.

I think Dak, Amari and Quinn are all resigned before FA and the initial cap hits will be lower than people here expect.

Yeah I agree that’s probably what happens I just don’t think this FO ever has a longer term plan than next season. Or what it takes to build a winner. They know how to sell. Apparently they’ve forgotten how to build a winner.

big dog cowboy · Mar 2, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Good points. I guess I would have never made that trade to begin with. JJ loves him some WRs. Since the Cooper trade was made, we are 15-10, with 1 wild card playoff win. That’s certainly not to say Cooper didn’t help. He certainly did in 2018.

The Cowboys had to make that trade. Dez was gone and there were no legit outside WR's on the roster. The 2018 season would have been completely lost if not for Cooper. Instead they went 7-2, made the playoffs and won a game.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not crazy about giving out a $20M a year to a WR either. Cooper is a top 10 WR in this league though. Those are hard to replace. I don't want to spend the 17th pick on yet another WR that may not have the impact Cooper does.

Spending two 1st rounders on a WR in 3 years doesn't sound like the way to build a championship roster to me.

buybuydandavis · Mar 2, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Hot sports opinion here: I don’t think the Cowboys need to sign Amari Cooper. Yes, I know I will take missiles for this but hear me out.

Yes, Cooper is an excellent receiver, I get that. Yes, he has played very well here and has had great chemistry with Dak most of the time. Yes, Jerry gave up a first rounder to get him. Understood. Yes, he’s a hard worker and good person off the field...I get that too. But here are my reasons why I don’t think it’s in the best interest of this team to sign Amari Cooper:

First of all, having a big contract WR AND big dollar RB is not usually a common formula for a championship roster. In fact, I think the Zeke contract was a mistake but that’s another argument.

I think saving that cap space to invest in other areas of the team would be smarter and have a bigger impact in both the short and long term. Having a deeper roster at multiple positions is how you get better! (Look at the niners last year- they were good at many positions very quickly) We need help at so many positions and we are sinking a fortune in positions that are easier to find talent (RB and WR)

Michael Gallup will be in his third season, and I believe he’s ready to emerge even more as a go to receiver. Draft a WR in rounds 3-5, and/or sign a cheaper FA with some upside. (Side note: It’s an outdated idea to think you must always have a clear “#1 receiver”. All you need today are multiple receivers that are legit threats)

We might be able to afford bringing Randall Cobb back plus a good rookie receiver. (This is a deep draft for receivers) Thus giving us more options and flexibility on a roster that needs a ton of help on the other side of the ball.

Honestly, I think this ship has sailed and I will be surprised if Cooper isn’t signed to a big contract. I like Amari Cooper and I know he will continue to be a great player. And I will certainly be thrilled if keeping him proves we wrong, which could easily happen.

But....I don’t think keeping Amari Cooper is a cornerstone to a championship. Just my opinion.

Cobb is looking way too expensive to keep. I didn't like signing Zeke. I wish we had given ourselves other options at QB. DLaw was a mistake too.

I don't like spending so much at WR, and recently looking at elite WRs revealed that they haven't been the path to a ring for over a decade.

But ... I don't think Gallup is that good. He benefits now from being opposite Cooper. The whole offense does. Besides Martin, Cooper is the best at his position on the team. If we let him walk, we're gonna feel it.

Then again, as you also seem to realize, signing Cooper is likely baked into the cake. We gave up a 1st for Cooper, and he has performed. If they weren't going to sign him now, what were they thinking trading for him?

Jerry scenario? Trade Dak, draft a new QB, and sign Brady in the meantime. Jerry is an entertainer, and Dak isn't that entertaining, while that scenario makes us entertaining for years to come.

PJTHEDOORS · Mar 3, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Jerry scenario? Trade Dak, draft a new QB, and sign Brady in the meantime. Jerry is an entertainer, and Dak isn't that entertaining, while that scenario makes us entertaining for years to come.

Dak with an offense built to use his skills entertains.

brymatt94 · Mar 3, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Michael Gallup will be in his third season, and I believe he’s ready to emerge even more as a go to receiver. Draft a WR in rounds 3-5, and/or sign a cheaper FA with some upside. (Side note: It’s an outdated idea to think you must always have a clear “#1 receiver”. All you need today are multiple receivers that are legit threats)

They tried that in 2018, it didn't work. Which is why they traded for Cooper.

Froski · Mar 3, 2020

So basically you guys want us to let cooper walk and be stuck in 2018 again?

Hahahahahahahaha.

Aviano90 · Mar 3, 2020

2015 first round pick Byron Jones will walk.
2016 first round pick Zeke peaked his rookie year.
2017 first round pick Taco is gone.
2018 first round pick LVE has a major injury concern.
2019 first round pick Cooper - don’t want to pay him.

This is looking like a recipe for disaster coming up.

Cattle_Rancher · Mar 3, 2020

I have mixed feelings on Cooper I think he is a solid WR and they gave up a first but 18 million ouch. They should of singed Cooper when they traded that was a mistake not doing so. He has played well but when you consider that you would still have the rookie you picked last year on a rookie deal for the next few years it kinda stings. I don’t believe in paying WRs or RBs I wouldn’t of paid EE I would of told him to pound that sand in Cabo. I think maybe the best thing that could happen is they sign Dak tag Cooper and draft a rookie to start in 2021.

ghst187 · Mar 3, 2020

I want all our players back plus a few upgrades on D just out of curiosity as to how much more MM and the new coaching staff can do with the same talent as JG

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 3, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Yeah, I predict we will sign him- I just don’t think it is good roster building.

At this point it’s about having a talented roster. I only have so many draft picks....I can’t keep letting talent guy while also trying to fill holes I have.

If we really want to talk about successful roster building then it needs to start with having as many early draft picks as possible so we can fill these holes.

Hawkeye0202 · Mar 3, 2020

Anyone took a look at his stats lately........they may surprise you. I'm a Coop fan but unless he'll take 3 year at the franchise tag amount, I would simply tag him a couple of years and let him walk. This WR crop is 3 rounds deep for starters according to a couple of twitters I trust. That means you can get possible 1st round talent in the 3rd. So for me, I'm tagging him def this year and maybe next but I'm also targeting his replacement in round 3.

Bottom line, with the cost of the QB position, I would start recycling my WR position with a top pick every 3-4 years.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopAm00.htm

atlantacowboy · Mar 3, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
The Cowboys spent a 1st rounder just 17 months ago to get him. They will resign him. Otherwise they will have to spend additional draft capital to get another WR to take his place.

He's a sunk cost. You don't chase that and dig a deeper hole for your team. His trade was an error and "win now" move which didn't pan out in enough wins to justify it. Cut the cord and go cheaper.

big dog cowboy · Mar 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
He's a sunk cost. You don't chase that and dig a deeper hole for your team. His trade was an error and "win now" move which didn't pan out in enough wins to justify it. Cut the cord and go cheaper.

Trade wasn't the error. The error was not signing him to an extension at the time of the trade. That would have avoided all this off season drama we have to endure.

atlantacowboy · Mar 3, 2020

Aviano90 said:
2015 first round pick Byron Jones will walk.
2016 first round pick Zeke peaked his rookie year.
2017 first round pick Taco is gone.
2018 first round pick LVE has a major injury concern.
2019 first round pick Cooper - don’t want to pay him.

This is looking like a recipe for disaster coming up.

The team has failed to take advantage of the most valuable asset in pro football, the rookie contract. You can't pay every guy their full market value when they want it and replace rookies with more expensive veterans. Thats the recipe for disaster.

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