Overlooked Problems?

DandyDon52 · Mar 4, 2020

fivetwos said:
Do you think tapping out the cap to bring back that SAME offense is the answer?

Give 100M to the "#1" WR who disappeared in those games so we dont "waste the draft pick?"

u make some good points lol.
I think all we can hope for is that new HC and staff are going to make that same offense much better.
Better play designs, and better game plan, and better game mgmt. Better use of personnel too.
Amari is hard to figure, but I know in the eagles game he was frustrated because he said the deep passes were open,
but those plays were not called, so our offense was not taking advantage of that.

DandyDon52 · Mar 4, 2020

fivetwos said:
Oh and BTW, you're taking for granted that the same defense returns, which it will not.

Quinn and Jones arent signed just to begin.

Someone posted a current defensive depth chart several weeks back. This is a 4-5 win defense right now without some serious attention.

So we are going to add a 20M WR to the highest paid OL, the highest paid RB, a close to 40M QB....the same one that you admit did nothing in big games.. but now have a much worse defense because of it?

How is that going to work out?

again the defense should be better with the new coaches, and stop playing prevent defense the whole game lol.

DandyDon52 · Mar 4, 2020

Now the real overlooked biggest problems are the 2 Jones boys who play GM.
They hired a New HC, and let him hire new staff, except for wanting him to keep kellen as OC.
(they kept lett too)
That will help a lot, but they are the ones deciding who gets kept and paid and how much, and FA moves, and probably drafting too.

They should be working closely with mike on all that, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
Hopefully they will at least consult him on FA moves and the draft, but it seems to me they will be the team builders,
and then tell mike here you go, win a SB with these guys.

I think They must have offered a lot of money to mike to take the HC job, and he is mainly in it for the money, and maybe he thinks he can win too
with what they give him to work with. I dont think it has been stated what he is being paid has it? Or how long his contract is for?
I watched the combine presser, and he seems very happy to be working for the jones boys, and to me that says that he is making
way more than he did in GB or would have got with giants or some other team.
He just seemed like a guy who does not want to mess up this new job with the most money
he has ever made lol. He was very careful not to say anything that might offend the jones boys.
He was not as robotic and vague as JG, but he may be just as subservient.

And to be honest that is the same scenario with other nfl teams , a HC is hired and the gm and owner build the team, and then
tell the HC, here you go win me a SB with this team. It is not a team effort when it is done like that.
Some teams the gm will work closer with the HC, and they sort of work together on FA and drafting, and those are usually the better teams.
Then NE where bill basically is in charge of the whole thing now.
JImmy was in charge of whole thing too, and he was able to build a team that suited him and his philosophy, and it worked very quickly.

But despite that with mike and mostly a new staff, we should be much better, I think it will surprise some people, just with the effect
of the new staff and mike.
Enough to win a SB? just have to wait and see, but I can see where they make the playoffs on regular basis and sometimes get past the div
round which means a champ title game.

Runwildboys · Mar 4, 2020

Ranching said:
You give him a thought out response and all I get is stupid one liners!!!!!

Ya get what you pay for.

Runwildboys · Mar 4, 2020

I've seen a couple of responses blaming defense and ST for bad field position. While that's true, the offense was responsible for some of that as well. When you go 3 and out on your own end of the field, or turn it over between the 40's, even if your defense forces a 3 and out, you're still likely to lose field position on the ensuing punt.

StarBoyz83 · Mar 4, 2020

This organization has a lot of problems. They're a good few years out from contention yet.

Rockport · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
For all of the clamoring over rebuilding the defense during the offseason with free agents and too draft picks, will that improve the games that the offense only scored 9-12 points? The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints, but the offense failed miserably against the better teams in the league. To be honest, the offense was terrible most of the time against teams with winning records. All of the impressive stats came against really bad teams. I am sure that some of you that has no problem with all of the games that the offense was horrible against opposing defenses and didn’t start playing until the second half. The defense was wore out after th offense made them stay on the field so much. Do any if you think that an upgraded defense is going to fix these problems?

No they can’t. It’s all over. The Cowboys have no chance. They’re 8-8 at best. No reason for hope. It’s all doom and gloom.

Rockport · Mar 4, 2020

Runwildboys said:
I've seen a couple of responses blaming defense and ST for bad field position. While that's true, the offense was responsible for some of that as well. When you go 3 and out on your own end of the field, or turn it over between the 40's, even if your defense forces a 3 and out, you're still likely to lose field position on the ensuing punt.

Dallas was #2 in the league in 3rd down conversions. Behind only Jackson and the Ravens.

Ranched · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints, but the offense failed miserably against the better teams in the league. To be honest, the offense was terrible most of the time against teams with winning records. All of the impressive stats came against really bad teams.

Again, fans need to stop bringing up the past Garrett & Marinelli era.

There is absolutely no way both the offense/defense will remain the same with this new coaching staff.

Aviano90 · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints,

Let's not give the defense credit for performing well under favorable conditions. If we are going to knock the offense, let's be fair and treat the defense the same way.

The defense played a mediocre NE offense with crappy skill position players and a geriatric QB in inclement weather. They aren't going to hold the Patriots down if the weather was normal.

And against the Saints they played a back up QB who was afraid to throw the ball down field. Drew Brees would have lit them up.

Buzzbait · Mar 4, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Many fans don’t believe the offense was part of the problem but....

in our 8 losses we only averaged 15 points. In 3 of those losses didn’t score a TD. And didn’t overcome a 7 point or more deficit all season.

The Cowboys offense drastically underachieved last year. That's one reason I was surprised that K. Moore was retained as play caller.
I was expecting McCarthy to call his own plays. Hopefully MM will add some life to the playbook. I'm also hoping Jarwin gets a higher percentage of snaps than Witten this year.
And a new FG kicker would be a plus.

cowboyed · Mar 4, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Now the real overlooked biggest problems are the 2 Jones boys who play GM.
They hired a New HC, and let him hire new staff, except for wanting him to keep kellen as OC.
(they kept lett too)
That will help a lot, but they are the ones deciding who gets kept and paid and how much, and FA moves, and probably drafting too.

They should be working closely with mike on all that, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
Hopefully they will at least consult him on FA moves and the draft, but it seems to me they will be the team builders,
and then tell mike here you go, win a SB with these guys.

I think They must have offered a lot of money to mike to take the HC job, and he is mainly in it for the money, and maybe he thinks he can win too
with what they give him to work with. I dont think it has been stated what he is being paid has it? Or how long his contract is for?
I watched the combine presser, and he seems very happy to be working for the jones boys, and to me that says that he is making
way more than he did in GB or would have got with giants or some other team.
He just seemed like a guy who does not want to mess up this new job with the most money
he has ever made lol. He was very careful not to say anything that might offend the jones boys.
He was not as robotic and vague as JG, but he may be just as subservient.

And to be honest that is the same scenario with other nfl teams , a HC is hired and the gm and owner build the team, and then
tell the HC, here you go win me a SB with this team. It is not a team effort when it is done like that.
Some teams the gm will work closer with the HC, and they sort of work together on FA and drafting, and those are usually the better teams.
Then NE where bill basically is in charge of the whole thing now.
JImmy was in charge of whole thing too, and he was able to build a team that suited him and his philosophy, and it worked very quickly.

But despite that with mike and mostly a new staff, we should be much better, I think it will surprise some people, just with the effect
of the new staff and mike.
Enough to win a SB? just have to wait and see, but I can see where they make the playoffs on regular basis and sometimes get past the div
round which means a champ title game.

Everyone deserves to post their point of view but why express things as if almost everything is factual. McCarthy gets to hire 99% of his staff and then gets force fed Moore and Lett?
Isn't it possible McCarthy actually values Moore and Lett as well?

We fans are not working within the organization. We don't know precisely how close or distant executive management is working with McCarthy.
You can't conclude they are not working diligently with McCarthy looking from the outside in. I would think they are closely working with him and that he is also reaching out to executive management.
Just like if you are hired as a key person and you undergo a structured transition period in every day business. That likely is even more acute being an integral part of a team in the NFL.

Of course the money is important to McCarthy and so is the opportunity, and he obviously loves football. It is OK to love what you do and enjoy the compensation.
I don't think McCarthy is as mercenary as you make him out to be. Football has been in his blood probably even since he was a fetus.

Bill in NE is the exception, not the rule when it comes to successfully head coaching and general managing. Jimmy didn't exactly light the world on fire when he went to Miami
and became the head coach and general manager of the Dolphins. In fact he quit on a down note after that drubbing by a young Jaguars franchise team and never head coached or general managed again!

In my opinion we need a superior general manager than Jerry but it doesn't have to necessarily be the head coach.

Diehardblues · Mar 4, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Defensive rankings are generally by gross yards, which distorts the rankings if you have a ball-control offense. I know we've had seasons in the past where our defensive rankings were boosted because our defense averaged about one less drive a game to defend than the league average.

Go see drive stats, points/drive and yards/drive.

Interestingly, our defensive stats look about average the last couple of years, diverging from the defensive rankings.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/overall-drive-statsdef/2019

It’s the same means we ranked our offense. It’s known as the official ranking system of the NFL.

Are we going to defunct NFL official stats to simply support our personal opinions and agendas.

If so then we can basically defunct every great team offensively and defensively in NFL history. That’s where want to go with this?

glimmerman · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
For all of the clamoring over rebuilding the defense during the offseason with free agents and too draft picks, will that improve the games that the offense only scored 9-12 points? The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints, but the offense failed miserably against the better teams in the league. To be honest, the offense was terrible most of the time against teams with winning records. All of the impressive stats came against really bad teams. I am sure that some of you that has no problem with all of the games that the offense was horrible against opposing defenses and didn’t start playing until the second half. The defense was wore out after th offense made them stay on the field so much. Do any if you think that an upgraded defense is going to fix these problems?

Our Offensive scheme was worn out and had been for years. The newer scheme will help across the board on Offense. The rebuilding of the Defense is what worries me. Growing pains can cause confusion. But look forward to having a better ST. That will help big time.

Buzzbait · Mar 4, 2020

cowboyed said:
Everyone deserves to post their point of view but why express things as if almost everything is factual. McCarthy gets to hire 99% of his staff and then gets force fed Moore and Lett?
Isn't it possible McCarthy actually values Moore and Lett as well?
We fans are not working within the organization. We don't know precisely how close or distant executive management is working with McCarthy...…..

Yes it's possible, we don't know, and they're not going to tell us. But originally before they announced Moore as play caller, McCarthy had made it sound as if he intended to be in charge of play calling. Then it changed. We don't know the reason.

nobody · Mar 4, 2020

garyo1954 said:
A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. A work station is......

And the red-zone is where our offense stops.

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
For all of the clamoring over rebuilding the defense during the offseason with free agents and too draft picks, will that improve the games that the offense only scored 9-12 points? The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints, but the offense failed miserably against the better teams in the league. To be honest, the offense was terrible most of the time against teams with winning records. All of the impressive stats came against really bad teams. I am sure that some of you that has no problem with all of the games that the offense was horrible against opposing defenses and didn’t start playing until the second half. The defense was wore out after th offense made them stay on the field so much. Do any if you think that an upgraded defense is going to fix these problems?

smh….this is the 456 post on this topic....

and you are looking at this in a silo....every team in the NFL goes through the same thing pretty much. you have to have different ways to win, offensively, defensively and with special teams. you can also point to the defensive meltdown against the Jets, which at the time was one of the worst teams in the league...and the same for GB or giving up points against the bills....or giving up 31 points to the hapless bears offense...

lets not forget the coaching meltdown at key moments in the game that led to many of those losses. I know garrett is gone and out of sight, out of mind, but that coaching staff had a big impact on that team, in a lame duck year when the team stopped listening to the coaches, there was infighting between the coaches and that had direct impact on the teaml

this was the mess Jerry created and he has to own it.

cowboyed · Mar 4, 2020

Buzzbait said:
Yes it's possible, we don't know, and they're not going to tell us. But originally before they announced Moore as play caller, McCarthy had made it sound as if he intended to be in charge of play calling. Then it changed. We don't know the reason.

True, about not knowing the reason. Maybe McCarthy reversed himself after re-evaluating things in process and further factoring in Moore's capabilities. McCarthy is still settling in at his position. Frankly I am encouraged that McCarthy is not a rigid but flexible thinker. Haven't we had enough of that with Garrett and even Linehan?

I really don't see this as McCarthy compromising himself or allowing himself to be controlled, placated by lots of money as some others may think. Good grief he has been only on the job about a month.

Doomsday101 · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
For all of the clamoring over rebuilding the defense during the offseason with free agents and too draft picks, will that improve the games that the offense only scored 9-12 points? The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints, but the offense failed miserably against the better teams in the league. To be honest, the offense was terrible most of the time against teams with winning records. All of the impressive stats came against really bad teams. I am sure that some of you that has no problem with all of the games that the offense was horrible against opposing defenses and didn’t start playing until the second half. The defense was wore out after th offense made them stay on the field so much. Do any if you think that an upgraded defense is going to fix these problems?

I think McCarthy feels he has the talent to produce better results on offense. Which is why he stated the offense would stay in tact for the most part but real changes would take place on defense. I agree offense did not play well vs top teams and frankly I expect offense will experience a tougher go of it vs top teams, that is why they are top teams you have to fight for the wins vs the best, but offense must play better than they did.

Chrisdd · Mar 4, 2020

jnday said:
For all of the clamoring over rebuilding the defense during the offseason with free agents and too draft picks, will that improve the games that the offense only scored 9-12 points? The defense did their jobs against the Pats and Saints, but the offense failed miserably against the better teams in the league. To be honest, the offense was terrible most of the time against teams with winning records. All of the impressive stats came against really bad teams. I am sure that some of you that has no problem with all of the games that the offense was horrible against opposing defenses and didn’t start playing until the second half. The defense was wore out after th offense made them stay on the field so much. Do any if you think that an upgraded defense is going to fix these problems?

According to most fans here on this forum, it's all Jeff Heath's fault. You know because he sucks so bad and all...

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