Will McCarthy have us better than 8-8 or worse?

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10 games with the best roster in the NFC is still underperforming though, right? Let’s take Garrett out of it entirely, because he’s irrelevant now.

The guy’s been a HC in this league for 13 years. Ok, maybe we give him a season to get his sea legs back, I’m not sure that’s necessary, but it’s it unreasonable. We’re in a competitive window now, and the whole reason he was hired was because he’s the guy capable of taking advantage of that right now. But 10 wins from a guy like that with a really good roster in its prime still seems like sandbagging a bit. 10 wins might not even win us the East. Where’s all the talk about us being the Cowboys? About not settling and. It having a loser mentality? We’re not even a shoe-in for the playoffs, and we’ve just fixed the number one thing that was broken on the “best” roster in the conference?

Oh C'mon Idgit, that 10 W's was referring to last year and last year's team. "A really good roster?" If you think last year's team was a "really good roster" then why did Garrett the Great only go 8-8???
All I said was I think McCarthy would've won 10 games with the same team and schedule because I believe he's a better HC than Garrett. With last year's team I don't think ANY HC would've done much better than 10Ws, but we certainly should've been better than 8-8!
 

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I’m obviously ribbing a bit, but it is interesting to see. From a group of people who were so certain they knew exactly what the problem was, when the problem is fixed, immediately the expectations drop to 8-8/10-6. And if you point it out your a coward and a hypocrite. I mean, what the hell was all the howling about going back to 2013? It was non-stop certainty what had been holding this team back. That hurdle get removed and were back immediately to the exact same expectations for the production we’ve been getting for years, and nobody wants to own it.

I'll own it! LOL
I believe a better HC undoubtedly would've had more success than Garrett did over the past 10 years. Right now we have a situation where we have a lot of guys becoming FAs, so we don't know what our roster is going to look like this year. That's a huge question mark no matter who the HC is till we get past the draft and FA this spring.
Bottom line is, I think McCarthy will be a better HC than Garrett, and I expect that to be reflected in the Cowboy's overall performance.
 
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Oh C'mon Idgit, that 10 W's was referring to last year and last year's team. "A really good roster?" If you think last year's team was a "really good roster" then why did Garrett the Great only go 8-8???
All I said was I think McCarthy would've won 10 games with the same team and schedule because I believe he's a better HC than Garrett. With last year's team I don't think ANY HC would've done much better than 10Ws, but we certainly should've been better than 8-8!

I do think we had one of the best rosters in the NFC last year. No doubt. And I think we didn’t win more because we turned the ball over and didn’t take it away in big games. I thought it was pretty much universally agreed we had a stacked team last season, wasn’t it?
 

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I'll own it! LOL
I believe a better HC undoubtedly would've had more success than Garrett did over the past 10 years. Right now we have a situation where we have a lot of guys becoming FAs, so we don't know what our roster is going to look like this year. That's a huge question mark no matter who the HC is till we get past the draft and FA this spring.
Bottom line is, I think McCarthy will be a better HC than Garrett, and I expect that to be reflected in the Cowboy's overall performance.

It’s true that we can’t really say yet how good the roster will really look for 2020. There are a lot of variables open.
 

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I do think we had one of the best rosters in the NFC last year. No doubt. And I think we didn’t win more because we turned the ball over and didn’t take it away in big games.
I thought it was pretty much universally agreed we had a stacked team last season, wasn’t it?

Well IMO our offense drastically underachieved last year for the talent we have, while the defense suffered mostly from lack of talent. I mostly blame Marinelli for that since he's the one who refused to get some big mean run stuffing DTs on the DL. It was pathetic the way our defense got pushed around.
So yes our offense had pretty good talent, but the defense has too many holes in it.
 
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You can type this and then claim you're not making excuses for Garrett's decade of failure? I urge you to reread your own comments as many times a season you need to until you get it.

Excuses or reality? Jason Garrett was not the primary driving force in the failures during his tenure. Let's say he was not qualified for the job in which he was hired, and the many mistakes that he made were caused by him not learning quickly or well enough. Did he hire himself or fire his responsibilities during his tenure?

Is there someone else that must take the blame before you can even get to Garrett? Who chose staff appointments to report to Garrett? Who can choose players that will play for the team even if Garrett is not on board with a decision? Who has the perceived and real power in the locker room and media? Who had this power before Garrett was even coaching (did they reach higher heights post Jimmy Johnson influenced teams)? How much say did Garrett ever actually get to make the culture he wanted in the locker room and in terms of accountability from all the players?

Yup, I've agreed that Garrett does not have elite coaching skills. Nope, I disagree that somehow switching him out with another coaching staff equals way more wins, at least on this squad. To coach this team to an elite level and automatically get players' defacto respect and accountability, you better walk in with a gold jacket, multiple SB rings, and unquestioned authority. McCarthy definitely comes with more clout though. We shall see...[/QUOTE]
 

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Excuses or reality? Jason Garrett was not the primary driving force in the failures during his tenure. Let's say he was not qualified for the job in which he was hired, and the many mistakes that he made were caused by him not learning quickly or well enough. Did he hire himself or

Sorry, but it's not an either/or proposition. Like the rest of the few Garrett excusemakers, you want to blame it all on Jones and absolve Garrett for being not good at his job. Sorry, no sell. It's not either/or, it's both. Jones for hiring him, Garrett for not being worthy of it.

fire his responsibilities during his tenure?

What does this mean?

Is there someone else that must take the blame before you can even get to Garrett? Who chose staff appointments to report to Garrett? Who can choose players that will play for the team even if Garrett is not on board with a decision? Who has the perceived and real power in the locker room and media? Who had this power before Garrett was even coaching (did they reach higher heights post Jimmy Johnson influenced teams)? How much say did Garrett ever actually get to make the culture he wanted in the locker room and in terms of accountability from all the players?

More excuses, certainly regarding coaching staff, and in several cases, players acquired as well. We can go through that if you'd care to know more as well. The fact is that Garrett had it better than any coach that's ever coached here, by far.

Yup, I've agreed that Garrett does not have elite coaching skills.

Glad we can agree on something.

Nope, I disagree that somehow switching him out with another coaching staff equals way more wins, at least on this squad. To coach this team to an elite level and automatically get players' defacto respect and accountability, you better walk in with a gold jacket, multiple SB rings, and unquestioned authority. McCarthy definitely comes with more clout though. We shall see...

Who's coming in with "multiple SB rings", your unreachable caveat is noticeable. Certainly considering the fact that McCarthy has one. So you 'raise your bar' to ridiculous levels so that nobody can hit it.

But why do you say "we shall see" after first claiming that "I disagree that somehow switching him out with another coaching staff equals way more wins". You've already made up your mind, and called your shot before a single game under McCarthy has been played. Or are you already contradicting yourself?
 

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Sorry, but it's not an either/or proposition. Like the rest of the few Garrett excusemakers, you want to blame it all on Jones and absolve Garrett for being not good at his job. Sorry, no sell. It's not either/or, it's both. Jones for hiring him, Garrett for not being worthy of it.



What does this mean?



More excuses, certainly regarding coaching staff, and in several cases, players acquired as well. We can go through that if you'd care to know more as well. The fact is that Garrett had it better than any coach that's ever coached here, by far.



Glad we can agree on something.



Who's coming in with "multiple SB rings", your unreachable caveat is noticeable. Certainly considering the fact that McCarthy has one. So you 'raise your bar' to ridiculous levels so that nobody can hit it.

But why do you say "we shall see" after first claiming that "I disagree that somehow switching him out with another coaching staff equals way more wins". You've already made up your mind, and called your shot before a single game under McCarthy has been played. Or are you already contradicting yourself?

It's an either or if your argument is one thing caused more damage than the other (since you want to say both, that's fine, then who bears more blame for lack of success-Garrett or the front office). I'm arguing that Jones' hiring practices, favoritism, and existing culture bear much more blame than Garrett not being good enough.

Ummm, it is a fact that Jones has orchestrated the bulk of big decisions since Jimmy Johnson was fired. Johnson had it better than all the following coaches because of the player perception of authority along with final say on personnel decisions (which was written into his contract, which Johnson himself has made clear). Also, Johnson got to hand pick all coaching staff. I think Parcells got to as well?

I'm not absolving Garrett for not getting the job done (already said it several times). Yup, I'm blaming one more than the other. If you can't handle that I blame Jones more, it's your problem and my opinion that I cannot actually prove beyond the generalizations based on past history (before Garrett).

Firing responsibilities-meaning losing play-calling duties. Garrett had them taken away because the argument was that if it was given to someone else the offense would perform better (especially in key situations) and Jason could concentrate on a more comprehensive view of the team (though I would agree that at the time it was an excuse FOR Jones to keep Garrett onboard instead of firing him and getting another head coach).

If you mean that Garrett had it better than all the other Cowboys coaches with regards to how much Jones was willing to do to keep him employed, I agree. If you mean that Jones gave Garrett the best environment to succeed I disagree unequivocally.

Parcells came in with multiple super bowl rings, so it is not unattainable. My point is the head coach must come in with a bigger shadow than Jones to get the perceptual head of authority from the players.

I don't think McCarthy's shadow goes too far. Especially after his falling out with Green Bay. I doubt he will accomplish the things you say he will in the next three years (though I say "we shall see" as in who the *** really knows). If you are hoping for some definitive facts, maybe you should read history books. Spouting definitive statements about future events are done by seers and blow hards.
 

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It's an either or if your argument is one thing caused more damage than the other (since you want to say both, that's fine, then who bears more blame for lack of success-Garrett or the front office). I'm arguing that Jones' hiring practices, favoritism, and existing culture bear much more blame than Garrett not being good enough.

Ummm, it is a fact that Jones has orchestrated the bulk of big decisions since Jimmy Johnson was fired. Johnson had it better than all the following coaches because of the player perception of authority along with final say on personnel decisions (which was written into his contract, which Johnson himself has made clear). Also, Johnson got to hand pick all coaching staff. I think Parcells got to as well?

I'm not absolving Garrett for not getting the job done (already said it several times). Yup, I'm blaming one more than the other. If you can't handle that I blame Jones more, it's your problem and my opinion that I cannot actually prove beyond the generalizations based on past history (before Garrett).

I don't mind if you want to blame Jones more, despite the fact that he stocked the team with talent. Just don't use the blame of Jones as an excuse for Garrett's own failings. No bueno.

Firing responsibilities-meaning losing play-calling duties. Garrett had them taken away because the argument was that if it was given to someone else the offense would perform better (especially in key situations) and Jason could concentrate on a more comprehensive view of the team (though I would agree that at the time it was an excuse FOR Jones to keep Garrett onboard instead of firing him and getting another head coach).

If you mean that Garrett had it better than all the other Cowboys coaches with regards to how much Jones was willing to do to keep him employed, I agree. If you mean that Jones gave Garrett the best environment to succeed I disagree unequivocally.

I mean both. Nobody ever had more excuses made for the failures than Garrett did, and no other coach had a team as stocked with talent.

Parcells came in with multiple super bowl rings, so it is not unattainable.

Is Parcells coming out of retirement? No? Then it's unattainable!

My point is the head coach must come in with a bigger shadow than Jones to get the perceptual head of authority from the players.

Then you should have simply said that, rather than setting unattainable standards.

I don't think McCarthy's shadow goes too far. Especially after his falling out with Green Bay. I doubt he will accomplish the things you say he will in the next three years (though I say "we shall see" as in who the *** really knows). If you are hoping for some definitive facts, maybe you should read history books. Spouting definitive statements about future events are done by seers and blow hards.

Take your own advice then, and don't undercut the Super Bowl coach while making excuses for the failure.
 

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Finally. We are coming to the end of this. I don't believe I'm excusing Garrett for his own shortcomings. You do. I've said he came up short, but you seem to want more.

I am not under the impression that this is some extremely talented roster that has tons of untapped potential for someone like McCarthy to unlock/unleash. I don't believe that the team last year was just stacked with talent that only an idiot or non head coach could bungle. I believe the hype machine can sell many Cowboys fans whatever they want to hear. Like man if this team actually had a competent NFL coaching staff that will equal x number of extra wins and probably an NFC championship and SB appearance.

And since I don't think this is some sleeping Juggernaut of a squad, I blame the front office ultimately. I blame the front office for not being able to put its ego aside for the greater success of the squad. For not wanting or being able to lure the most outstanding coaching candidates here because of what that might mean to the front office legacy with regards to football (the game) legacy. For needing a microphone or reporter to feel more important than what you actually are. For creating a culture where players and coaches are rewarded when they stay in the "family." It's more about party loyalty for the front office than actual performance (hence the extra long employment Garrett was given that you keep on about, and so many players I don't know where to start).

I suppose I might be more anti-Garrett if I thought like you that he was given a championship roster and huge salary and handed the keys to the SB track. As though any coach should love this situation. This is now a place to fill your pocketbook instead of your football legacy. What says career satisfying more than cold hard cash? Why bother actually trying to win a SB by forgoing some pride when you can keep the pride and sell a mediocre product as a SB hopeful?

In short, I don't give two craps about Garrett or how you think he failed in such epic and torturous ways. That whole discussion is so far down the list of what ails this team, that I cannot begin to evaluate where he himself hurt the Cowboys chances.

I doubt this supposed great success that may happen with McCarthy. That is not undercutting (assuming that's what you meant with the term, if not please elaborate). Just me not buying the hype currently. He can feel free to make me a believer.
 

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Honestly, though, Dooms...what are we waiting for to talk about? I agree with you about your expectations, because that’s where I expect us to fall as well, but if we’ve upgraded the staff, isn’t it reasonable to expect better results?

Of course, we all know there are a ton of factors that influence the outcomes of seasons, and not all of them are under a HC’s control. I’ve made that same argument many times. But as far as expectations go....if the issue was the coaching, HC and DC both, supposedly, and we got major upgrades in both roles....why do expectations start right at the bottom of the same hill we couldn’t get over when we fired the last guy? I don’t understand the thought process.

I totally agree with what you're saying... It wasn't all coaching. It was the players themselves as well that contributed to how 2019 went down for the season... it would be completely absurd to say it was all coaching and not the players fault. The thing about it is, this isn't high school football where you can kick a player off the team for not performing. You have contracts... Yes, you can sit a player but what kind of quality is the "next man up"? It's like darned if you do, darned if you don't. It was a combination of poor coaching decisions and quite frankly, poor play (as a team). Yes Dak had garbage numbers to pad stats (for those that want to throw out the personal stats) but it was a team effort....
 

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I totally agree with what you're saying... It wasn't all coaching. It was the players themselves as well that contributed to how 2019 went down for the season... it would be completely absurd to say it was all coaching and not the players fault.
Listening to Jane Slater this morning on Good Morning Football and her telling of players emailing Jones and going right over Garrett's head....NOT GOOD! What we've heard about Jaylon going off script. As with any team, the players do hold a certain about of responsibility for how the team plays and what their record is.

My son is involved in extra curricular activities. I always point out after each loss how they shouldn't be made that the other team beat them. They should be mad how how they shot themselves in the foot and lost the game their selves. That's not always the case but far more times than not it is. I tell him the coach can only do so much.
 

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Finally. We are coming to the end of this. I don't believe I'm excusing Garrett for his own shortcomings. You do. I've said he came up short, but you seem to want more.

I am not under the impression that this is some extremely talented roster that has tons of untapped potential for someone like McCarthy to unlock/unleash. I don't believe that the team last year was just stacked with talent that only an idiot or non head coach could bungle. I believe the hype machine can sell many Cowboys fans whatever they want to hear. Like man if this team actually had a competent NFL coaching staff that will equal x number of extra wins and probably an NFC championship and SB appearance.

And since I don't think this is some sleeping Juggernaut of a squad, I blame the front office ultimately. I blame the front office for not being able to put its ego aside for the greater success of the squad. For not wanting or being able to lure the most outstanding coaching candidates here because of what that might mean to the front office legacy with regards to football (the game) legacy. For needing a microphone or reporter to feel more important than what you actually are. For creating a culture where players and coaches are rewarded when they stay in the "family." It's more about party loyalty for the front office than actual performance (hence the extra long employment Garrett was given that you keep on about, and so many players I don't know where to start).

I suppose I might be more anti-Garrett if I thought like you that he was given a championship roster and huge salary and handed the keys to the SB track. As though any coach should love this situation. This is now a place to fill your pocketbook instead of your football legacy. What says career satisfying more than cold hard cash? Why bother actually trying to win a SB by forgoing some pride when you can keep the pride and sell a mediocre product as a SB hopeful?

In short, I don't give two craps about Garrett or how you think he failed in such epic and torturous ways. That whole discussion is so far down the list of what ails this team, that I cannot begin to evaluate where he himself hurt the Cowboys chances.

I doubt this supposed great success that may happen with McCarthy. That is not undercutting (assuming that's what you meant with the term, if not please elaborate). Just me not buying the hype currently. He can feel free to make me a believer.

If you want to reply to someone, REPLY to them.
 

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Will McCarthy have us better than 8-8 or worse?

6-10 from the Debbie Downer/Negative Nancy group. Albatross undeserved QB and WR contracts are given and full on further exposure of QB deficiciencies has the newly appointed HC and staff scrambling for answers by game 10 of the upcoming season. The purgatory type Garrett existence of continual 8-8 type team's even worsens and paints a pretty bleak team future based off the FO contract blunders.
 
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Finally. We are coming to the end of this. I don't believe I'm excusing Garrett for his own shortcomings. You do. I've said he came up short, but you seem to want more.

I am not under the impression that this is some extremely talented roster that has tons of untapped potential for someone like McCarthy to unlock/unleash. I don't believe that the team last year was just stacked with talent that only an idiot or non head coach could bungle. I believe the hype machine can sell many Cowboys fans whatever they want to hear. Like man if this team actually had a competent NFL coaching staff that will equal x number of extra wins and probably an NFC championship and SB appearance.

That's just it. This wasn't any "hype machine", or something we got from the team or the Joneses as yiu seem to be alluding to. This was a widely held beliefs from the majority of people who covered the NFL. Writers, reporters, former players, etc. a great many of them said all the time that Dallas had the player talent to win a championship. They NEVER said the same for the coaching.

And since I don't think this is some sleeping Juggernaut of a squad, I blame the front office ultimately. I blame the front office for not being able to put its ego aside for the greater success of the squad. For not wanting or being able to lure the most outstanding coaching candidates here because of what that might mean to the front office legacy with regards to football (the game) legacy.

What "outstanding coaching candidates" would that be? Garrett was hiring his assistants, not the Joneses. And Garrett was responsible for chasing some pretty good ones away too, like Bill Callahan.

For needing a microphone or reporter to feel more important than what you actually are. For creating a culture where players and coaches are rewarded when they stay in the "family." It's more about party loyalty for the front office than actual performance (hence the extra long employment Garrett was given that you keep on about, and so many players I don't know where to start).

Justifiable. Still doesn't excuse Garrett.

I suppose I might be more anti-Garrett if I thought like you that he was given a championship roster and huge salary and handed the keys to the SB track. As though any coach should love this situation. This is now a place to fill your pocketbook instead of your football legacy. What says career satisfying more than cold hard cash? Why bother actually trying to win a SB by forgoing some pride when you can keep the pride and sell a mediocre product as a SB hopeful?

You'd have a point if McCarthy set the market for coach's salary. Let me know when that's the case.

In short, I don't give two craps about Garrett or how you think he failed in such epic and torturous ways. That whole discussion is so far down the list of what ails this team, that I cannot begin to evaluate where he himself hurt the Cowboys chances.

Clearly. You're so fixated on blaming the Joneses that you're blinded to everything else.

I doubt this supposed great success that may happen with McCarthy. That is not undercutting (assuming that's what you meant with the term, if not please elaborate). Just me not buying the hype currently. He can feel free to make me a believer.

The onus isn't on him. He's already proven himself with a Super Bowl win and an outstanding win-loss record and years in the playoffs. If you can't see that, the issue lies with you, not him.
 

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That's just it. This wasn't any "hype machine", or something we got from the team or the Joneses as yiu seem to be alluding to. This was a widely held beliefs from the majority of people who covered the NFL. Writers, reporters, former players, etc. a great many of them said all the time that Dallas had the player talent to win a championship. They NEVER said the same for the coaching.



What "outstanding coaching candidates" would that be? Garrett was hiring his assistants, not the Joneses. And Garrett was responsible for chasing some pretty good ones away too, like Bill Callahan.



Justifiable. Still doesn't excuse Garrett.



You'd have a point if McCarthy set the market for coach's salary. Let me know when that's the case.



Clearly. You're so fixated on blaming the Joneses that you're blinded to everything else.



The onus isn't on him. He's already proven himself with a Super Bowl win and an outstanding win-loss record and years in the playoffs. If you can't see that, the issue lies with you, not him.

I call anything that is published via media sources part of the hype machine. I know buckets of people in professional journalism and some in sports journalism. The job entails entertainment and hype, at all times. Coaching discussion is typically not as entertaining as player discussion (since they don't play, plus Garrett's pressers were like talking with a friendly computer). Ex-players and scouts and anyone throwing their opinions out might comment on the Cowboys. Big whoop. The team has some pieces. The most success they have had recently was born from running the football right down the other squad's throats. I don't buy that crap you are spouting about how ultra talented the squad is based on your and various hype machine components OPINIONS. Quit trying to sell me (and I would advise yourself). I will believe it when I see it.

The outstanding coaches comments I made were in reference to the general hiring pattern by the front office. Wanting the candidates that are easily controlled or will acquiesce to the front office desire for power structure status quo. As in, why was Garrett put into the situation in the first place. If you are so worried that I and others assess proper blame to Garrett, you might want to preface that with he should never have received the job in the first place (hence where real blame goes).

The Cowboys don't have to pay top dollar to fill someone's pocketbook. Was there more than one team after McCarthy? How much did they offer and how many years of contract? Do they have the extra marketing revenue that will come with being HC of the Cowboys? Are they in a state with no income tax like Texas? Puh-lease, this is a cash cow of a franchise, especially if you stay in the "family."

I'm not blinded to say that Garrett shared in the shortcomings of the team. You just want me and others to bash more and harder. Sorry not happening.

If the onus is not on him, who is it on (you seem to hold Garrett accountable for his time here)? So in the next 5 years if McCarthy's Cowboys teams do not advance past divisional round is that his fault or someone else's? By that token, if they do advance past the divisional round is that because of him? How much of the success in Green Bay was due to Aaron Rodgers, and how much was it McCarthy? If the Cowboys for some reason nosedive in their record, does that tarnish his legacy?

I don't blame just the front office, or just the players, or just the coaches. I think that you believe that my proportional blame does not match yours and thus it means I'm excusing Garrett for his own shortcomings. Nope, just don't feel coaching is the magic bullet you do. And that's why, we shall see.
 

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I call anything that is published via media sources part of the hype machine. I know buckets of people in professional journalism and some in sports journalism. The job entails entertainment and hype, at all times. Coaching discussion is typically not as entertaining as player discussion (since they don't play, plus Garrett's pressers were like talking with a friendly computer). Ex-players and scouts and anyone throwing their opinions out might comment on the Cowboys. Big whoop.

Sorry to break it to you, but their opinion carry more weight than yours alone - some guy on the internet.

The team has some pieces. The most success they have had recently was born from running the football right down the other squad's throats.

And?

I don't buy that crap you are spouting about how ultra talented the squad is based on your and various hype machine components OPINIONS. Quit trying to sell me (and I would advise yourself). I will believe it when I see it.

I really don't care what you believe, just keep it within your head and don't subject this forum to your personal delusions.

It's hilarious that you'll call every other opinion "crap" and then spout your nonsense as if it matters.

The outstanding coaches comments I made were in reference to the general hiring pattern by the front office. Wanting the candidates that are easily controlled or will acquiesce to the front office desire for power structure status quo.

What 'hiring pattern' is that? More tilting at windmills I think.

As in, why was Garrett put into the situation in the first place. If you are so worried that I and others assess proper blame to Garrett, you might want to preface that with he should never have received the job in the first place (hence where real blame goes).

A point not argued. Fake outrage. And it still doesn't absolve Garrett of being bad at the job. Not either/or, both. Figure that out.

The Cowboys don't have to pay top dollar to fill someone's pocketbook. Was there more than one team after McCarthy? How much did they offer and how many years of contract? Do they have the extra marketing revenue that will come with being HC of the Cowboys? Are they in a state with no income tax like Texas? Puh-lease, this is a cash cow of a franchise, especially if you stay in the "family."

So more ranting with no substance behind it? As expected. That pattern is clear.

I'm not blinded to say that Garrett shared in the shortcomings of the team. You just want me and others to bash more and harder. Sorry not happening.

Don't really care, you're nit as important as you seem to think. Just know that I'll be here to refute the "crap".

If the onus is not on him, who is it on (you seem to hold Garrett accountable for his time here)?

I'd say the onus is on you, to drop the delusions and get back to reality.

So in the next 5 years if McCarthy's Cowboys teams do not advance past divisional round is that his fault or someone else's? By that token, if they do advance past the divisional round is that because of him? How much of the success in Green Bay was due to Aaron Rodgers, and how much was it McCarthy? If the Cowboys for some reason nosedive in their record, does that tarnish his legacy?

Ask each one individually and I'll be happy to discuss each one. This is rambling.

I don't blame just the front office, or just the players, or just the coaches. I think that you believe that my proportional blame does not match yours and thus it means I'm excusing Garrett for his own shortcomings. Nope, just don't feel coaching is the magic bullet you do. And that's why, we shall see.

Then maybe you should save for *****ing and moaning until then?
 

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Sorry to break it to you, but their opinion carry more weight than yours alone - some guy on the internet.



And?



I really don't care what you believe, just keep it within your head and don't subject this forum to your personal delusions.

It's hilarious that you'll call every other opinion "crap" and then spout your nonsense as if it matters.



What 'hiring pattern' is that? More tilting at windmills I think.



A point not argued. Fake outrage. And it still doesn't absolve Garrett of being bad at the job. Not either/or, both. Figure that out.



So more ranting with no substance behind it? As expected. That pattern is clear.



Don't really care, you're nit as important as you seem to think. Just know that I'll be here to refute the "crap".



I'd say the onus is on you, to drop the delusions and get back to reality.



Ask each one individually and I'll be happy to discuss each one. This is rambling.



Then maybe you should save for *****ing and moaning until then?

And we are finally home. I've expressed my opinion and you yours. You have been trying to drown out my opinion from the start, and I think I'm noticing a pattern of your general posting. You have zilch to counterpoint at this time that I cannot read from the dozens and dozens of reports pointing out how much better the Cowboys will be with improved coaching.

We disagree bro. No need to get all emotional. Take some meds. Seek counseling. This thing will play out however it will. And if you are right, go ahead and gloat as you seem very apt to do. If I'm right, I won't bother to post on it as Cowboys disappointment is something we all have shared for decades now(I actually pay way less attention to the squad than ever before). I do enjoy a good discussion though, so I'll keep posting (you can put me on ignore if you like if I'm hurting your feelings or saying things you can't argue away with your opinions).
 
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