Derrick Brown possibly being on the board at 17

I think this is a realistic possibility at this point.

I always felt he was overrated in terms of what he is good at and the value that provides to the team. Me personally I wouldn't draft a run stuffing D Tackle in the 1st round. I feel like you can get a veteran version of this player cheap in Free Agency.

He had a bad combine and I don't see him being a pressure player at the next level.

IMO Kinlaw is the #1 DT in this draft because he can put heat on the QB.



So.. If we get to draft day and Brown is on the board what do you do? Draft him and accept that he will not be much of a difference maker?

if he's there.....you run the card up to the podium and don't look back.

cowboyec said:

if he's there.....you run the card up to the podium and don't look back.

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Then after you sprint up there you think to yourself I just spent a 1st round pick on a run stuffer with minimal pass rush ability.

I think he’s going to be selected closer to 17 than most think. I think he’s a stud, but top 10 DTs are usually players teams think can be a dominant pass rusher.

I think Kinlaw will go first.

CATCH17 said:

Then after you sprint up there you think to yourself I just spent a 1st round pick on a run stuffer with minimal pass rush ability.

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i don't ignore the tape.

cowboyec said:

i don't ignore the tape.

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I'm not either.. He's great.. At stuffing the run and eating up blocks.

I don't feel like I need to spend a 1st round pick to get someone who is quality at doing what he does.

If he’s there at 17, it’s a no brainer. While his 40 time wasn’t great, he makes up for it with quickness and power. He also can easily lock up 2 blockers to free someone else.

Just don’t think he’ll fall to us, but stranger things have happened

CATCH17 said:

Then after you sprint up there you think to yourself I just spent a 1st round pick on a run stuffer with minimal pass rush ability.

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he was highly thought of BEFORE the super stars competition....why?
because of what he did...ON THE FIELD.

CATCH17 said:

I'm not either.. He's great.. At stuffing the run and eating up blocks.

I don't feel like I need to spend a 1st round pick to get someone who is quality at doing what he does.

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thats fair.
but if he is on the board at 17...i'm takin him and not thinkn twice about it.

I have no idea who to pick at 17. I’m not a scout. Top 3 I would have an idea but not 17.

He isn't that good of a pass rusher, but even if I bumped him down to a second round grade for his combine performance, he'd be at the top of the 2nd round stack and there wouldn't be any 1st round grades left at 17. There aren't 17 better players in the draft than him, so don't overthink it.

CATCH17 said:

I think this is a realistic possibility at this point.

I always felt he was overrated in terms of what he is good at and the value that provides to the team. Me personally I wouldn't draft a run stuffing D Tackle in the 1st round. I feel like you can get a veteran version of this player cheap in Free Agency.

He had a bad combine and I don't see him being a pressure player at the next level.

IMO Kinlaw is the #1 DT in this draft because he can put heat on the QB.



So.. If we get to draft day and Brown is on the board what do you do? Draft him and accept that he will not be much of a difference maker?

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You think you can find a 6-4/318 DT w/ "terrific initial quickness", "the ability to lasso ball carriers w/ one hand due to incredible length and strength", "the ability to slip through gaps or collapse the pocket", and an extremely high character to go alone w/ it in FA?

I'm thinking you're not understanding the DT position!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verdammung said:

He isn't that good of a pass rusher, but even if I bumped him down to a second round grade for his combine performance, he'd be at the top of the 2nd round stack and there wouldn't be any 1st round grades left at 17. There aren't 17 better players in the draft than him, so don't overthink it.

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If Brown is there at 17 and we pass on him, we are the dumbest franchise in the NFL, hands down.

This dude is a disruptive stud. Really don't understand how anyone can see it any other way. What is someone worried about, the forty time for a DT? Really? Man, do some research.

CATCH17 said:

I'm not either.. He's great.. At stuffing the run and eating up blocks.

I don't feel like I need to spend a 1st round pick to get someone who is quality at doing what he does.

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It's very common for DT's to run 40's around this 5.16. And it's irrelevant for a DT.

Vince Wilfork ran a 5.08.

DJ Reader ran a 5.33. And he's so disruptive, Houston plays him all along their DLine.

IMO, you've completely misevaluated this cat.

Yes please!

CATCH17 said:

I think this is a realistic possibility at this point.
I always felt he was overrated in terms of what he is good at and the value that provides to the team. Me personally I wouldn't draft a run stuffing D Tackle in the 1st round. I feel like you can get a veteran version of this player cheap in Free Agency.
He had a bad combine and I don't see him being a pressure player at the next level.
IMO Kinlaw is the #1 DT in this draft because he can put heat on the QB.
So.. If we get to draft day and Brown is on the board what do you do? Draft him and accept that he will not be much of a difference maker?

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As often as the Cowboys got gashed up the middle over the last two seasons, you definitely take him at 17. Stuffing the run against a good balanced team who runs the ball well is critical for a SB run!

Derrick Brown = Fletcher Cox.

Might even be better.

Depends, which WRs are there? I'm not taking him over any of Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs or Reagor.

kskboys said:

IMO, you've completely misevaluated this cat.

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Size needs to be factored in with Brown's workout. Among defensive linemen at the combine over the past two decades, his height (6-foot-5) and weight (324 pounds) placed in the 84th and 94th percentile, respectively.

However, all of his measured, on-field work was historically bad. His 8.22 3-cone placed in the third -- yes, third -- percentile among defensive tackles. His vertical? 22nd percentile at the position. His broad jump was a respectable but far from super-impressive 66th percentile. His short shuttle time of 4.79 -- 18th percentile. Ndamukong Suh -- a trendy comparison for the Auburn star -- was light-years more athletic than Brown when he tested at the combine in 2010.

And Brown's workout basically matches the film. While young -- still not 22 -- Brown wins with sheer force through blocks and tremendous block-shedding laterally to go along with stellar tackling reliability. He's the best run defender in the class, bar none. But, while that makes for fun highlights, it's simply not as valuable in the NFL in 2020 as it was even a decade ago.


What that leaves is a large, intimidating defensive tackle with easy-to-see strength and an advancing yet not loaded arsenal of pass-rushing moves with well below-average athleticism for the position. For as disruptive as Brown was during his illustrious career at Auburn, the odds are now firmly against him becoming a star (pass-rusher) in the NFL.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...or-derrick-brown-and-other-notable-prospects/




That is what I see when I watch him. A run stuffer. A great run stuffer.. But still a run stuffer.

ChuckA1 said:

As often as the Cowboys got gashed up the middle over the last two seasons

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Myth, especially when healthy