News: DC: Not Much Buzz Around Maliek Collins

conner01 said:

I wouldn’t say a DT getting you 4-5 sacks a year sux but his price has to match his production and I suspect his price will be higher than we would want to pay

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ok he is a little above sucks.

rocyaice said:

I'm not sure what you guys expected to begin with. Seems you guys raised the bar for him.

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There was hype about him. I personally was always on the fence.

I wouldn't mind the cowboys signing him to a team friendly second contract . I like collins but he is overrated by homers and marinelli
Fanbois.I remember people my fellow fans claimed collins was the" second coming of Warren sapp" and other such nonsense.Honestly , I wouldn't mind if the cowboys resigned collins , traded hill and either drafted or signed another three tech to
Rotate with collins

CouchCoach said:

The Tapper thing was ridiculous. They tried to give him the starting role at OU and he couldn't handle it. Then we get Tapper Watch on the forum, waiting for him to emerge with Gathers to don their gold jackets.

I really wish those that think the minute they become a Cowboy, they improve, would back it off a little. You try to debate with them and they end up calling you a hater.

Collins was a lot of fun because a lot of those that want a behemoth in the middle would make excuses for him.

The problem with Collins is can they do any better? The brain trust doesn't find DT's sexy. They extended the MLB, middle of the line problem solved.

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Yeah, since Tapper was a 4th, I didn't care all that much, but his failure was easy to see a mile away. I just thought there were better prospects available.

big dog cowboy said:

Played out of position and showed he had what it took to play on the next level and was easily worth a 4th rounder.

This has been covered so much the last few years.

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Covered or not, I didn't think so. Questionable pick, but then again it was a 4th, so ce la vie.

quickccc said:

I'm not sure how much they follow the draft but it proves difficult to get those kind of impact interior guys outside the 2nd round, maybe they thought and hoped
( just as I did) the Cowboys discovered a hidden gem in Maliek Collins much in the way:
- ATL did with DT Grady Jarrett in the 5th round ...
- or Titans Jurrell Casey in the 3rd round
- or Cincy with 8 time pro bowler Geno Atkins (4th round)
- or Bears Akiem Hicks in the 3rd round.
- Snack Harrison was undrafted gem and ended up more of a dominant 1 tech than pass rushing 3 tech/ ditto for Eddie Goldman per bears (2nd rd)
- Kyle WIlliams per Buffalo -

otherwise looking back at past drafts, you're more likely will have to just have to hit on your 1st or 2nd round pick on that impact DT (much like Trysten Hill was counted on to be in the 2nd round)
- Chris jones - 2nd round
- JJ watts 1st
- Aaron Donald 1st
- Fletcher Cox 1st
- Ndamukong Suh 1st
- Gerald McCoy 1st
- Marcell Dareus -Buff 1st
- Kwann Short Car- 2nd rd

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Exactly. It’s like finding Dak in the 4th round or finding Russel in the 3rd.....yeah it can happen but it’s not as easy as people think. If you want a premiere dt you better look for him in the first.

Johnny23 said:

There was hype about him. I personally was always on the fence.

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Where did it come from? The fan base I’m assuming?

Hawkeye0202 said:

Just to think, he had what, 5-6 sacks his rookie season and downhill from there ( 4 last season). The bottom line, his rookie season was his ceiling.

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That will always be Collins enigma,, Ive always thought of why that was/is.
His rookie season looked like we hit on a stud DT, but has been rather depressing watching him regress since day one.
Why is that?

Typhus said:

That will always be Collins enigma,, Ive always thought of why that was/is.
His rookie season looked like we hit on a stud DT, but has been rather depressing watching him regress since day one.
Why is that?

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The move to NT hurt his career badly. Playing beside JAG's didn't help.

Im hoping for a 4 year 24 million type deal

Prossman said:

Is it talent of coaching? I don't know if we truly know how good or bad our personnel is , when they were handicapped at every turn

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I think in Crawford’s case it’s availability that has dogged him the most. Either way, he has been a poster child of how we overpay in the spirit of “keeping our own”...we like our guys mentality has been a dog whistle for a FO who refuses to act when better options are available or hard decisions need to be made.

Injuries often slow guys' progression. La'El Collins didn't become a good starter till year 4, and broke out to become a stud in year 5. Sack-scouts be damned, Maliek Collins just had easily his best season. He got healthy and his pressure numbers went way, way up.

He's always going to be a non-factor against the run and he lacks the speed to convert pressures into sacks, but watch some Cowboys game rewinds. He gets into the backfield pretty often.

It all depends on his market value, which is really hard to determine given his up-and-down career so far, but in general I am all for keeping an ascending 25yo pressure player.

Hawkeye0202 said:

Just to think, he had what, 5-6 sacks his rookie season and downhill from there ( 4 last season). The bottom line, his rookie season was his ceiling.

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I don't think so I think marinelli sucks and had him playing a lot of 1T that is not his strong suit. bringing him back on a cheap deal would be good.

rocyaice said:

Where did it come from? The fan base I’m assuming?

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The fanbase yes and DC.com did their usual draft sell job. You know how that goes. I feel sour against Maliek because he was miscast in Rod's defense. I think that's the biggest issue I have @rocyaice if we can get him back for a deal that lines up with his play I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it. I don't think he should have been playing the one tech. He played hurt and didn't miss games. He's a team guy.

I remember the hype from the draft to Training camp of his speed on the inside and his strength being a former wrestler. It just never translated from a leverage standpoint that was sold by dc.com.

Johnny23 said:

The fanbase yes and DC.com did their usual draft sell job. You know how that goes. I feel sour against Maliek because he was miscast in Rod's defense. I think that's the biggest issue I have @rocyaice if we can get him back for a deal that lines up with his play I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it. I don't think he should have been playing the one tech. He played hurt and didn't miss games. He's a team guy.

I remember the hype from the draft to Training camp of his speed on the inside and his strength being a former wrestler. It just never translated from a leverage standpoint that was sold by dc.com.

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Understood. And I agree. A lot of these guys were asked to play out of position. I’d be interested in seeing what would happen if Collins player next to a real one tech.

kskboys said:

The move to NT hurt his career badly. Playing beside JAG's didn't help.

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His career ? How ?
its not like that was gonna be his permanent position going forward ?

it would have been a totally different matter had they planned to permanently keep him at the 1 tech NT role, but
they felt they had to move him to 1 tech NT that particular year as an emergency as injuries forced them to have no other bodies at hand.

I'd love to have him back.. Just depends what he is asking for.

My only real problem with Collins is he is always banged up.

Johnny23 said:

The fanbase yes and DC.com did their usual draft sell job. You know how that goes. I feel sour against Maliek because he was miscast in Rod's defense. I think that's the biggest issue I have @rocyaice if we can get him back for a deal that lines up with his play I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it. I don't think he should have been playing the one tech. He played hurt and didn't miss games. He's a team guy.

I remember the hype from the draft to Training camp of his speed on the inside and his strength being a former wrestler. It just never translated from a leverage standpoint that was sold by dc.com.

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Maliek got similar hype to Lawrence.

For years we heard Lawrence looks unbelievable and it just never showed up on the field until about 2017.

Collins has been all the buzz for years and when Sundays come up he has just been an ok player.

We have nothing at that position so if we can get him for cheap then i'm all for it. He's still a better then average DT.

you realize theres been an absence of buzz around the league for all teams FA players because the CBA and pushing the FT deadlines has basically stopped progress..its moot for anything to be going on until that gets sorted out as rank and file ie the elite FAS and the Tags need to go first then the dominoes drop in a frenzy for day 2 FAS.. Nothing going on..

I placed even more faith in the Trysten Hill pick as a 2nd rounder, than I did with Maliek Collins, who was picked in the 3rd round.

- Primarily because I thought McClay; whose role and authority decides what round a typical player on their board, is selected and goes in, would come up
big this time around, and he and his scouts had to see something great on game tape that indicates he was gonna be a steal in the 2nd round.

- That Hill had such innate ability as a disruptor on tape, and as a much needed (and harder to acquire) interior force ..over more heralded picks
in safeties Juan Thornhill and Taylor Rapp, that I admit that I was sold on what Cowboys put out on draft day - and surely McClay would not be
subject to making same mistake twice, in " reaching " for DL prospects, just for the sake of getting a DL guy.

- I actually place the Hill pick more on McClay, more than I do with Marinelli.
as again: - McClay makes final decision on what round this and that player goes in; ....whereas a Marinelli has the strong recommendation on the preference- type of player-position he wants.

- again, just as we did with Taco in the 1st round, I thought we again forced the DL pick too early, because we were too worried about not being able to get the particular player/position
a round later combined with being so pressed to fill that need position.

- Sure Marinelli is gone now but I am still somewhat concerned about how we are evaluating these DL picks that haven't been successful since DLaw. (taco, hill, maliek, Armstrong) Gregory is more an
asterisk as we know what's caused and slowed his growth and potential.