News: Cowboys offer Dak 33m / 105 guaranteed

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Yeah you’re wrong when it comes to contracts. You think Jerry is going to say. “Yeh dak you have outperformed Goff by every individual metric, but remember that playoff game where the defense gave up 280 yards rushing and we lost? Because of that you deserve to get paid less”


Lol no chance.

Dak has outperformed Goff in the playoffs. By a large margin. Just look at the numbers. It’s not even close.


You're suppose to be some expert with contracts? lol I can just hear you on the phone with Jerry as Dak's agent, telling him Dak deserves more money than Goff because he outperformed Goff in a playoff game the Rams won and that Goff sealed the win, with a key 3rd down conversion. lol I could just hear you telling Jerry that even though Goff has a better head to head record, Dak still deserves more money. lol I could just picture the look on Jerry's face as you're telling hm that Dak deserves more money than Goff despite the fact that Goff has a better playoff record and has led the Rams to the SB. lol Good luck with that negotiation Mr casual fan. :laugh:
 

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PAY THE MAN HIS DUE. Market value says its in the 35 mil per range at very least. Anything less is an insult. Its not about the money its about the lack of respect being given.
What I find insulting is the possibility that he turns down $33M/yr. ($105M guaranteed), to occasionally throw a ball one day a week for 16 weeks. He could turn out to be a complete dud from this point forward and still have a great life. The only way I'd guarantee him or any other player that much money is if that player guaranteed me a SB championship. No one is worth that much money. I don't care what they do.
 

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You're suppose to be some expert with contracts? lol I can just hear you on the phone with Jerry as Dak's agent, telling him Dak deserves more money than Goff because he outperformed Goff in a playoff game the Rams won and that Goff sealed the win, with a key 3rd down conversion. lol I could just hear you telling Jerry that even though Goff has a better head to head record, Dak still deserves more money. lol I could just picture the look on Jerry's face as you're telling hm that Dak deserves more money than Goff despite the fact that Goff has a better playoff record and has led the Rams to the SB. lol Good luck with that negotiation Mr casual fan. :laugh:


You’re making the same type of claims but in the reverse. You’re the one claiming to know that all that matters in negotiations is the wins and losses. Yet you’re going to mock me for arguing the opposite? The reality is, you’re no more an expert than anyone else. Yet you’re the one arguing up and down the thread that you know Goff’s teams record makes him more valuable than Dak, despite Dak playing better than Goff.


Keep laughing. Of course you’ll find out you’re wrong when Dak receives a contract worth just as much as Goff if not more, despite the head to head record nonsense you’re throwing out there.


It’s not hard to imagine Dak and his agents laughing at your team record argument, considering how silly it is.
 
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You’re making the same type of claims but in the reverse. You’re the one claiming to know that all that matters in negotiations is the wins and losses. Yet you’re going to mock me for arguing the opposite? The reality is, you’re no more an expert than anyone else.

Keep laughing. Of course you’ll find out you’re wrong when Dak receives a contract worth just as much as Goff if not more, despite the head to head record nonsense you’re throwing out there.

Stats certainly matter but what matters most is wins. Head to head battles with opposing QBs matter. It doesn't matter that Danny White outperformed Joe Montana in the 1981 NFC title game. What matters is Montana made the key play when the game was on the line and the 49ers won and went on to win the SB. It doesn't matter that Romo outplayed Peyton Manning in 2013. What matters is the Broncos won and went on to the SB that season. That's what everyone remembers and that's what's used in contract negotiations. The bottom line is winning and your QB performing when games are on the line. The numbers don't always tell the entire story. Goff didn't have a good playoff game against us but he made the key play to seal the win. Pat Mahomes wasn't having a great SB but he got it done with the game on the line. The Chiefs certainly aren't going to use how he played the first 3 1/2 quarters against him when negotiating his extension. In my opinion Dak is better than Goff BUT Goff has gotten his team to a SB and has a better playoff record. Goff is 2-1 vs Dak. In an interview during the season Dak said he didn't deserve to be the highest paid QB because he hasn't played in a championship game or SB. Reaching a SB along with a QBs playoff record increases their value. Nick Foles cashed in big after leading Philly to a SB win. I'm not saying Dak won't get more than Goff because we see where the money is heading with QBs. He may force the Cowboys hand and they won't go anywhere without him. Jimmy G was the highest paid QB in the league just 2 years ago and only had something like 8 starts. If you want to keep a QB you have to pay them.
 

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Stats certainly matter but what matters most is wins. Head to head battles with opposing QBs matter. It doesn't matter that Danny White outperformed Joe Montana in the 1981 NFC title game. What matters is Montana made the key play when the game was on the line and the 49ers won and went on to win the SB. It doesn't matter that Romo outplayed Peyton Manning in 2013. What matters is the Broncos won and went on to the SB that season. That's what everyone remembers and that's what's used in contract negotiations. The bottom line is winning and your QB performing when games are on the line. The numbers don't always tell the entire story. Goff didn't have a good playoff game against us but he made the key play to seal the win. Pat Mahomes wasn't having a great SB but he got it done with the game on the line. The Chiefs certainly aren't going to use how he played the first 3 1/2 quarters against him when negotiating his extension. In my opinion Dak is better than Goff BUT Goff has gotten his team to a SB and has a better playoff record. Goff is 2-1 vs Dak. In an interview during the season Dak said he didn't deserve to be the highest paid QB because he hasn't played in a championship game or SB. Reaching a SB along with a QBs playoff record increases their value. Nick Foles cashed in big after leading Philly to a SB win. I'm not saying Dak won't get more than Goff because we see where the money is heading with QBs. He may force the Cowboys hand and they won't go anywhere without him. Jimmy G was the highest paid QB in the league just 2 years ago and only had something like 8 starts. If you want to keep a QB you have to pay them.

All I’ve been saying is that Dak deserves as much as Goff because as a player. As an individual player. He has been just as good if not better than Goff. Regardless of their team accomplishments.

that’s it, period.

I was responding to your earlier post when yo mu said that wins and losses are what matters. I said other factors matter. Now you’re admitting other factors matter like supply and demand in the QB market and timing of a deal.

that’s the point. Wins and losses aren’t all that matters. Which is what I was saying from the start.
 

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Hold out and get what you can! We all would, just most won't admit it.
Nope.

look at the long game... he takes a bit less.. wins us our 1st super bowl. He will be a living legend and a rockstar who will always be known as the QB who brought us back. A fully paid career and a life after football which will include analyst gig or commenter (which seems to be super lucrative and will be going forward to big name ex-players)

He will still have huge piles of money.. and can keep making piles of money going forward
 

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All I’ve been saying is that Dak deserves as much as Goff because as a player. As an individual player. He has been just as good if not better than Goff. Regardless of their team accomplishments.

that’s it, period.

You keep bringing up that all that matters is winning. Yeah that’s true when it comes to overall success of a team. But winning isn’t all that matters when it comes to contract negotiations. You just in your post say that all that matters is winning but then go on to mention that other factors like when a player is signed and supply and demand also factor in.

so which is it. Is winning the only thing that matters or are other factors involved in determining a players market value? Because if other factors matter, then winning isn’t all that matters.

In the NFL team accomplishments are credited a lot to the QB. It’s the one position that influences the outcome games more than any other position and it’s a position that gets too much of the glory and too much of the blame a lot of times. Winning is the biggest factor when determining the value of a QB and usually QBs who are productive win a lot of games, unless they’re turnover prone like Jameis Winston. Production and wins usually go hand-in-hand. By the way I never said winning is all that matters with QBs. I said stats matter but what matters most is wins so let’s get it straight.
 

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You’re right, Dak was carried by our dominant defense, special teams, and coaching.

Brilliant!!
No you’re right, Dak has the worst offensive line, running backs, and receivers in the league and I totally imagined he can’t even get as far as Case Keenum.

you’re a brilliant (groupie)!
 

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A lot of people already see the disparity in the haves and have nots. A lot more are waking up to it. Contractors will often take less in the winter to have a job rather than insist on top dollar and not have work for their employees.

Its not stupidity. Its common sense. I'm for getting all you can. I'm also for getting what you're worth. But when you insist on more, its greed defined as intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
Nope.

look at the long game... he takes a bit less.. wins us our 1st super bowl. He will be a living legend and a rockstar who will always be known as the QB who brought us back. A fully paid career and a life after football which will include analyst gig or commenter (which seems to be super lucrative and will be going forward to big name ex-players)

He will still have huge piles of money.. and can keep making piles of money going forward
So, you would take less??? Lol!! Sure
 

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In the NFL team accomplishments are credited a lot to the QB. It’s the one position that influences the outcome games more than any other position and it’s a position that gets too much of the glory and too much of the blame a lot of times. Winning is the biggest factor when determining the value of a QB and usually QBs who are productive win a lot of games, unless they’re turnover prone like Jameis Winston. Production and wins usually go hand-in-hand. By the way I never said winning is all that matters with QBs. I said stats matter but what matters most is wins so let’s get it straight.


Let’s get it straight.

I actually responded first to your insinuation that Goff outplayed Dak in the playoffs, because Goff’s team won.

because it’s not true. Goff didn’t and hasn’t outplayed Dak in the playoffs. Goff was just on better teams that won despite him playing worse than Dak.

Which is a major reason why, factors other than wins and losses affect a QB’s value. Because QB’s don’t win and lose games alone. Sure they’re the most important position. But the better team wins games. Not the better QB.

Make no mistake though. Goff has not performed better in the playoffs, than Dak has.
 

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I can see you don’t have forward thinking and ability to project.

hey you seem to be of the safe nature
Lol!! I retired at 50 with more assets than most people dream of, but I don't have forward thinking!!! Lol!!!!! Stick to your food stamps! Since I'm paying for it!
 

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Let’s get it straight.

I actually responded first to your insinuation that Goff outplayed Dak in the playoffs, because Goff’s team won.

because it’s not true. Goff didn’t and hasn’t outplayed Dak in the playoffs. Goff was just on better teams that won despite him playing worse than Dak.

Which is a major reason why, factors other than wins and losses affect a QB’s value. Because QB’s don’t win and lose games alone. Sure they’re the most important position. But the better team wins games. Not the better QB.

Make no mistake though. Goff has not performed better in the playoffs, than Dak has.

It’s evident that you’re a Dak homer by your username, which makes this argument a waste of time. Goff has an NFC title game win under his belt in a game he played solid in. That win has helped him out perform Dak in the playoffs. Winning a conference title game is a major skin on a QBs wall. Goff has a better playoff record than Dak. Ultimately QBs are judged by their playoff record, unless we’re talking Fouts, Marino and Moon. At the end of the day it’s not going matter which QB statistically outperformed the other, it’s who got the win. That’s what matters!
 
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