Video: FOX: Skip Bayless: Jerry Jones is protecting Dak's image by keeping negotiations quiet

TheSkaven · Mar 11, 2020

CowboyGil said:
How dare Dak ask for 35 million a year from an owner whose team is worth billions!!

Sigh, why do posters like yourself misinterpret this to think that we care about Jerry Jones’ bank account. We don’t!

If you haven’t noticed, since the mid 90’s there’s this thing called the “salary cap”. You might have heard of it. And overpaying players, as Jerry did in the mid to late 90’s, usually puts your team on the road to 4-12.

4-12 is bad, mmmkay?

Hope that helps @CowboyGil ..

Sheffielder74UK · Mar 11, 2020

Just pay the man and make him the highest earner. Let's see how he copes with the pressure especially when he probably won't have his number 1 receiver and his RB is getting fat.

It's not the Cowboys fault he was drafted in the 4th round and he thinks he is owed money. When the new CBA is done and the Cap goes up year after year, why do people think this money is only for the QB?

TheSkaven · Mar 11, 2020

cern said:
I have said for months that dealing with dak would be problematic. And that signing him might become impossible. It's looking like we'll have to tag him and bag him while we make plans for the next franchise qb of the cowboys future.

My fear is that Jerry is going to panic, just as he did with Zeke, and cave.

For a self made billionaire who is allegedly a great businessman, the guy has a real problem playing chicken and staring down agents.

1) He gives away all his leverage by falling all over the player, publicly complimenting him and saying he deserves top dollar

2) He waits until the last minute to open negotiations

3) Then, when pressed against the deadline, he gives in on virtually every demand

JoeKing · Mar 11, 2020

How is JJ "keeping negotiations quiet" when all these leaks about offers from the Cowboys are obviously coming from Jerry's office?

DanTanna · Mar 11, 2020

Tag him today and Tag him next year. DAK gets $60M and the Cowboys aren't stuck with him long term.

Proof · Mar 11, 2020

Sheffielder74UK said:
It's not the Cowboys fault he was drafted in the 4th round and he thinks he is owed money.

dumb

DanTanna said:
Tag him today and Tag him next year. DAK gets $60M and the Cowboys aren't stuck with him long term.

tag is 33 mil, second tag is a 20% increase so you're looking at nearly 40 mil next year. so that's 73 mil guaranteed for 2 years. smart.

glimmerman · Mar 11, 2020

Proof said:
dumb

tag is 33 mil, second tag is a 20% increase so you're looking at nearly 40 mil next year. so that's 73 mil guaranteed for 2 years. smart.

Wow. No wonder he isn’t in a hurry to sign a contract. 73 million and free yogurt and chunky soup. If he does Gatorade and maybe underarmour then he is set.

Jarv · Mar 11, 2020

So what is the ceiling Dak fanatics would pay him? 40 million over 4 years?

I think that is too much, would love to know the cap from his die hard fan base.

starman22 · Mar 11, 2020

KJJ said:
His image became tarnished with a majority of the fan base the day Romo relinquished the team to him.

People really believe this? Wow!

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 11, 2020

Proof said:
I’m a big of a glutton for punishment.

Sportstrac charges a premium for previous years cap info, but here’s how much we rolled over by year.

in 2018 we had 11 mil leftover clearing the 10 mil aav for snacks.

Here’s an article showing how we could’ve very easily cleared quite a bit more.

In 2018

instead of franchising Tank resulting in an immediately due fully guaranteed 17 million, we could have extended him like we ultimately did and structured the deal in any number of favorable ways, easily affording honey badger and/or Boston

as far as Earl Thomas is concerned I wouldn’t have wanted them to match or exceed the Ravens contract and I’m not sure if they could’ve. They were in the market for him though and I wish they’d have been more aggressive in their pursuit before the Ravens even came calling

OK, I can deal with this. The Tank thing was ugly to begin with because Tank made it that way in the negotiation. I don't know how realistic it was for the team to restructure or just do a new deal but that to me is really a question of how you want to budget your money. I assume you are talking about converting salary into signing bonus and for some situations that will work. For Lawrence, I don't know that this would have worked or not. He made something like 18 mil in 2018 so if that is converted, that means that you are pushing cap into the future and the Cowboys knew that they had expiring contracts for a lot of their younger players so the question becomes how much does it take, if it can be done at all, and how much cap do you actually want to push into the future because you got unknowns in the future. As example, the Elliott deal. I doubt the Cowboys ever thought they would have to be paying out that much cap in 2019, on Zeke. If you resturcture, that's less cap to work with in future years and that effects a lot. Would effect the deals we have to get done this year, unless you are accelerating all of the cap hit, into 2019 cap year. There are a lot of moving parts in those types of restructures and I think you have to really have to have stuff nailed down in order to work those kinds of deals. We aren't really in that situation IMO. Too many young players that need to be resigned. In terms of DLaw, I don't honestly think he would have gone for that deal because he had already played on a Tag year and he was headed towards Unrestricted FA. If he accepts restructure, he's giving away a lot of leverage so it means that not only do the Cowboys have to figure out how to work in that 18 mil but they would have to still pay him a great deal of money in a restructure deal because DLaw wasn't giving the Cowboys a break. Also, all of that salary becomes fully guaranteed so lets say Lawrence just decides to not play and not get the shoulder done or whatever, he gets paid. It actually gives Lawrence even more leverage. I just don't know that the Cowboys would want to do that and does DLaw agree to it? I'm not sure he would have but that's here nor there.

As far as Earl Thomas is concerned, and I'm a Longhorns fan my whole life, I would have loved to have had him in a Cowboy Uni but it was just never a reality to me. He was going to get paid and we didn't have the extra cap to do it IMO. The situation was just wrong to me.

I will say this, I appreciate you explaining your position. Thank you for doing that.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 11, 2020

tyke1doe said:
You said the magic word which provides context here. "Franchise" quarterback. There has only been one franchise quarterback since Jerry has been owner - Troy Aikman. Jerry THOUGHT Romo would be another and paid him accordingly.
I still don't know what Jerry thinks of Dak. I still don't think Jerry believes Dak is a "franchise" quarterback. Why do I say this?
Would you expect Jerry to treat Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Russell Wilson like he's treating Dak? Do you believe if Jerry TRULY thought Dak was a franchise quarterback, Jerry wouldn't have ripped up Dak's rookie contract in two years and had given him a new contract commiserate to a franchise quarterback?
I think if Jerry thought Dak was Patrick Mahomes, a new contract would have been done last year. That's what gives me doubts about what Jerry is saying and how he's acting. You don't toy with a FRANCHISE quarterback like this.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. As you pointed out, in the end, we're all just guessing. We'll see eventually, and I won't be upset if you're right, and I'm wrong.
I just want to see the Cowboys win another Super Bowl or two or three or four. I don't care if RisenStar is the quarterback if he can deliver.

LOL......

Risen ain't interested in being QB for the Cowboys. Risen gets up every morning with one goal in mind. He wants to take over the world!

Sheffielder74UK · Mar 11, 2020

Proof said:
dumb

tag is 33 mil, second tag is a 20% increase so you're looking at nearly 40 mil next year. so that's 73 mil guaranteed for 2 years. smart.

Can you explain why my comment was dumb please?

Proof · Mar 11, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
OK, I can deal with this. The Tank thing was ugly to begin with because Tank made it that way in the negotiation. I don't know how realistic it was for the team to restructure or just do a new deal but that to me is really a question of how you want to budget your money. I assume you are talking about converting salary into signing bonus and for some situations that will work. For Lawrence, I don't know that this would have worked or not. He made something like 18 mil in 2018 so if that is converted, that means that you are pushing cap into the future and the Cowboys knew that they had expiring contracts for a lot of their younger players so the question becomes how much does it take, if it can be done at all, and how much cap do you actually want to push into the future because you got unknowns in the future. As example, the Elliott deal. I doubt the Cowboys ever thought they would have to be paying out that much cap in 2019, on Zeke. If you resturcture, that's less cap to work with in future years and that effects a lot. Would effect the deals we have to get done this year, unless you are accelerating all of the cap hit, into 2019 cap year. There are a lot of moving parts in those types of restructures and I think you have to really have to have stuff nailed down in order to work those kinds of deals. We aren't really in that situation IMO. Too many young players that need to be resigned. In terms of DLaw, I don't honestly think he would have gone for that deal because he had already played on a Tag year and he was headed towards Unrestricted FA. If he accepts restructure, he's giving away a lot of leverage so it means that not only do the Cowboys have to figure out how to work in that 18 mil but they would have to still pay him a great deal of money in a restructure deal because DLaw wasn't giving the Cowboys a break. Also, all of that salary becomes fully guaranteed so lets say Lawrence just decides to not play and not get the shoulder done or whatever, he gets paid. It actually gives Lawrence even more leverage. I just don't know that the Cowboys would want to do that and does DLaw agree to it? I'm not sure he would have but that's here nor there.

As far as Earl Thomas is concerned, and I'm a Longhorns fan my whole life, I would have loved to have had him in a Cowboy Uni but it was just never a reality to me. He was going to get paid and we didn't have the extra cap to do it IMO. The situation was just wrong to me.

I will say this, I appreciate you explaining your position. Thank you for doing that.

think we're confusing eachother here a little bit. I'm talking about the year they tagged Tank. I'm saying instead of tagging him, I'd have preferred they worked out a long term deal. It pushed 17 mil guaranteed on the books that year, AND raised the floor of his contract negotiations. Had they extended him at the time, they get him on a more reasonable deal, don't have to have all that money on the books up front and can pro-rate or allocate as it most makes sense. Not talking about restructuring or anything. As far as how that affects things moving forward... that's always a concern, but my entire point was that we should have been taking advantage of Dak's rookie wage years and making a push at that time. We do that, and maybe we have more success in that window, maybe there's a better feeling around the team, and a willingness to be more reasonable for the sake of retaining talent and winning. It's all pissing in the wind though, and just my thoughts

Proof · Mar 11, 2020

Sheffielder74UK said:
Can you explain why my comment was dumb please?

because it assumes he "thinks he's owed money". He was the biggest value in the entire league for 4 years (and arguably top 5 in nfl history) and never complained, or held out or any of that despite the massive discrepancy between his salary and his worth. He clearly believe's he's earned the money he's asking, on merit, and market timing, but owed? That's not really fair.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 11, 2020

Proof said:
think we're confusing eachother here a little bit. I'm talking about the year they tagged Tank. I'm saying instead of tagging him, I'd have preferred they worked out a long term deal. It pushed 17 mil guaranteed on the books that year, AND raised the floor of his contract negotiations. Had they extended him at the time, they get him on a more reasonable deal, don't have to have all that money on the books up front and can pro-rate or allocate as it most makes sense. Not talking about restructuring or anything. As far as how that affects things moving forward... that's always a concern, but my entire point was that we should have been taking advantage of Dak's rookie wage years and making a push at that time. We do that, and maybe we have more success in that window, maybe there's a better feeling around the team, and a willingness to be more reasonable for the sake of retaining talent and winning. It's all pissing in the wind though, and just my thoughts

It's possible but again, it's a question of what you know and what you don't know, to me. I get the whole, focus on one or two years and try to win it with Dak's salary low but honestly, and I know a lot of the fan base views Dak as this great QB from day one, Dak just wasn't good enough to beat really good teams in those first few years. If you go all in on those years, to me it's unlikely that he gets us there because he just wasn't good enough yet. So you end up betting your future on a situation where I believe you have a questionable chance of winning. I understand that point of view. I don't know that we couldn't have done it but I guess I just feel like it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 11, 2020

Proof said:
because it assumes he "thinks he's owed money". He was the biggest value in the entire league for 4 years (and arguably top 5 in nfl history) and never complained, or held out or any of that despite the massive discrepancy between his salary and his worth. He clearly believe's he's earned the money he's asking, on merit, and market timing, but owed? That's not really fair.

What do you think of that point of view? I mean, the team was willing to pay him more money by redoing his deal and allowing him to get more money up front via signing bonus. They actually wanted to do that with him after his second year. It was Dak who basically elected not to accept this and go for the bigger deal. What are your thoughts there?

Proof · Mar 11, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
It's possible but again, it's a question of what you know and what you don't know, to me. I get the whole, focus on one or two years and try to win it with Dak's salary low but honestly, and I know a lot of the fan base views Dak as this great QB from day one, Dak just wasn't good enough to beat really good teams in those first few years. If you go all in on those years, to me it's unlikely that he gets us there because he just wasn't good enough yet. So you end up betting your future on a situation where I believe you have a questionable chance of winning. I understand that point of view. I don't know that we couldn't have done it but I guess I just feel like it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

yeah i get that, I mentioned that they should have done more when he was cheap, rather than have him as a scapegoat now for why they have to make tough decisions.

Also I forgot to follow up on Earl. There really didn't seem to be a market for him early in FA, he wasn't really linked to anyone but the Cowboys, other players were getting signed, and all you eventually heard was he might have to settle for a one year deal and then BAM out of nowhere Ravens with the big, long term offer. Was really weird and a missed opportunity imo.

Proof · Mar 11, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
What do you think of that point of view? I mean, the team was willing to pay him more money by redoing his deal and allowing him to get more money up front via signing bonus. They actually wanted to do that with him after his second year. It was Dak who basically elected not to accept this and go for the bigger deal. What are your thoughts there?

lol personally i'd have loved if he signed a deal sooner, and for less money. that's the dream scenario, flesh out a deal that everyone's comfortable with that gets a guy locked up early, and maintains flexibility for the team. But I can also understand betting on yourself if you're not entirely impressed with whats being offered. and given the tear he and amari went on to close the season, I can see where the confidence came from.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 11, 2020

Proof said:
yeah i get that, I mentioned that they should have done more when he was cheap, rather than have him as a scapegoat now for why they have to make tough decisions.

Also I forgot to follow up on Earl. There really didn't seem to be a market for him early in FA, he wasn't really linked to anyone but the Cowboys, other players were getting signed, and all you eventually heard was he might have to settle for a one year deal and then BAM out of nowhere Ravens with the big, long term offer. Was really weird and a missed opportunity imo.

I think part of the reason for that was because of what he did and said. He came after Dallas and said, come get me. Many probably thought that he just wanted to go home and play out his career in Texas. What was really going on there was that he wanted the Cowboys to come and spend money on him and when they couldn't reach his contractual requirements, he elected to sign elsewhere. Now, I understand that and that's fine but I'm just guessing that this is why there wasn't more of a demand for him initially.

DandyDon52 · Mar 11, 2020

Reality said:
Skip Bayless: Jerry Jones is protecting Dak Prescott's image by keeping negotiations quiet (VIDEO)

A second offer has been presented to Dak Prescott, but the Dallas Cowboys QB has reportedly turned it down. Hear what Skip Bayless has to say about why Jerry Jones is purposely keeping the public in the dark about this issue.

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I could not read it, it was a video.
He isnt protecting dak he is making him look bad.
Just saying he made a 2nd offer and it was turned down is obviously designed to make dak look bad, and fans who dont want dak will jump on that even though they have no idea what
that offer was!
The offer could have been 12 years at 25 mil, and dak turned it down so he looks bad
because people automatically assume it was even more money, and they dont even consider the main issues which is G money, and length of contract.
Also the source is undisputed show !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
all they do is speculate and run their mouth on rumours. Who cares what they are blabbing about?? well some dummys evidently think bayless is a credible source lol.

To get dak to sign a long term contract they are going to have to offer more money per year
to account for wages going up in a year or 2. And the jones boys dont want to do that.
To me a short term contract is better because it is cheaper, and if he doesnt play good enough
your not stuck with him long term.
The jones boys want their cake and eat it too, they want dak cheap, and long term.
Dak has been the lowest paid starting QB in nfl for past 4 years, and he wants a good payday now, I dont blame him, get what you can, and the jones boys just have to decide do they want him or not, is he the guy, and then pay him and short term contract, or tag him or let him walk.

It is up to the jones boys, not dak as to when and how this is resolved.

as far as being team friendly , dak has been that for 4 years, time for the jones boys to now
be dak friendly. It isnt his fault he played the cheap 4 years under mr process garrett, that
was the jones boys fault.

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