Cowboys Are One of 15 Teams to Meet with Kenneth Murray

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Give me best player available unless it’s a rb. Don’t draft 2nd round talent in the 1st( not talking about Murray). And don’t take chances on guys.
 

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I could see us getting a young LB. But I think LVE will be fine. He had a problem he had fixed that apparently has been bothering him. He said he could have played last year. This may shorten his career by a few years.
 

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Good.

I’m a big fan of this kid and would prefer to have him ahead of Delpit/McKinney at 17.

LB is a low-key big need on this team. There’s no guarantee with LVE’s health, Lee is yet another year older (and may not be back), Jaylon took a huge step back last season, and the rest of our depth are rotational types.

Jaylon at times looked frightened to take on a block. Lot of needs on defense to undo the Garrett/ Marinelli era.
 

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They should meet with any player that might fall in the range of their 17th pick.

And LB should not be off the table. Smith regressed in 2019 and LVE regressed and may or may not have a neck injury that could be a continuing concern going forward. LB isn't the strength, at least right now, we all thought it might be.
 

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I see it as either due diligence or a real legit concern for LVE.
otherwise I just wouldn't expect drafting a strong side starting LB so early in the draft.
 

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Just read a tweet couple days ago that the Cowboys really like this kid. Of course, it's way too early and anyone could say that but he could very well be plan B if Henderson is gone but just my guess. Imagine .......Murray, LVE and Jaylon Smith
They run base like 30% of plays. You don't draft a third LBer with the idea of getting him on the field with the other 2.

Unless they're going to run a bunch of 3-3-5, LB early makes 0 sense.
 

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They should meet with any player that might fall in the range of their 17th pick.

And LB should not be off the table. Smith regressed in 2019 and LVE regressed and may or may not have a neck injury that could be a continuing concern going forward.
LB isn't the strength, at least right now, we all thought it might be.

and as much as they have invested in both Jaylon and LVE, they will give Smith and LVE every opportunity to maximize their potential before there is consideration for a replacement.
We dunno how much the neck LVE may have affected his downward play in 2019, ...but we've already seen a great deal of his potential.
and any health concerns aside, the Cowboys will want to bank on that. Frankly with me, a LB with any past neck issues has me concerned about his long term.
That's the epidome of a lead collision position role and I don't see how that won't be somewhat chronic issue.

Shortly put, if we draft a LB that early as much as 1st and 2nd round, that's clearly about LVE's medical issues that could lead to sudden retirement, imo.

As far as Jaylon, I've harped on his pluses and minuses too often, but he's just re-signed for a long term deal here, and we'll have to see how he is schemed and
what surrounding support cast can best aid him in maximizing his strengths while limiting and hiding his weaknesses.

but no question, whether its' comes thru the draft, free agency or trade, we have to have more key depth at LB, and i'm not sold on fragile LBs Joe Thomas or
rookie Luke Gifford. and it would be welcome to groom an heir apparent to Lee while he tutors him along en route to his eventual retirement or move on.
 

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Probably just doing their due diligence here, but could this be a potential contingency plan for LVE? The Cowboys rarely draft players they haven’t met with before the draft and all.

Or maybe, we are now going to run a D that doesn't play 70% of the time with just 2 LBs
 

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and as much as they have invested in both Jaylon and LVE, they will give Smith and LVE every opportunity to maximize their potential before there is consideration for a replacement.
We dunno how much the neck LVE may have affected his downward play in 2019, ...but we've already seen a great deal of his potential.
and any health concerns aside, the Cowboys will want to bank on that. Frankly with me, a LB with any past neck issues has me concerned about his long term.
That's the epidome of a lead collision position role and I don't see how that won't be somewhat chronic issue.

Shortly put, if we draft a LB that early as much as 1st and 2nd round, that's clearly about LVE's medical issues that could lead to sudden retirement, imo.

As far as Jaylon, I've harped on his pluses and minuses too often, but he's just re-signed for a long term deal here, and we'll have to see how he is schemed and
what surrounding support cast can best aid him in maximizing his strengths while limiting and hiding his weaknesses.

but no question, whether its' comes thru the draft, free agency or trade, we have to have more key depth at LB, and i'm not sold on fragile LBs Joe Thomas or
rookie Luke Gifford. and it would be welcome to groom an heir apparent to Lee while he tutors him along en route to his eventual retirement or move on.

I've been in the anti-Jaylon camp and it's because I can't undo what I saw in several games this past season. I don't see how he can play MLB in this league when he can't/won't stack and shed or even try to take on a blocker period. And when there is a scrum he gets completely lost in it unable to fight through it to the ball carrier. Hard to replace him now but McCarthy is going to have to work those issues out of Jaylon.
 

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I've been in the anti-Jaylon camp and it's because I can't undo what I saw in several games this past season. I don't see how he can play MLB in this league when he can't/won't stack and shed or even try to take on a blocker period. And when there is a scrum he gets completely lost in it unable to fight through it to the ball carrier. Hard to replace him now but McCarthy is going to have to work those issues out of Jaylon.

Here’s Jaylon bringin’ that Ray Lewis “nothin gets past me” mentality at the goal line.

 

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He's a great athlete, but until this past year he made a ton of horrendous plays -- awful reads, overruns, poor tackle attempts, etc. He's the classic athlete that you hope you can make into a football player. He did improve tremendously last year under a real DC, though.

Just saying, he's one of those tricky cases. You could get an eventually great player, or you could get someone who looks the part but never lives up to his potential.

I can't see Dallas taking him, though, especially as overoptimistic as they always are about their own players. If they do, it means they know bad things about LVE's neck.
 

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Here’s Jaylon bringin’ that Ray Lewis “nothin gets past me” mentality at the goal line.



Sweet!...hold the receiver and then push the QB away from you...textbook...nice work Jaylon.

Trying to tackle and strip the ball away from the QB near the goal line might cause a roughing the passer penalty.
Better to just to let him score at that point and let our high powered offense led by you know who get out there and take care of business.
Cmon now people, there's no need to draft this Murray kid when we got Jaylon making these type of "clear eye view" plays on a consistent basis out there...yes indeed!

:laugh:
 

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I've been in the anti-Jaylon camp and it's because I can't undo what I saw in several games this past season. I don't see how he can play MLB in this league when he can't/won't stack and shed or even try to take on a blocker period. And when there is a scrum he gets completely lost in it unable to fight through it to the ball carrier. Hard to replace him now but McCarthy is going to have to work those issues out of Jaylon.
He is a run and chase LB. To put him in any other position is setting him up to fail. Also he should not be calling the defense. That was another issue.
 

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I've been in the anti-Jaylon camp and it's because I can't undo what I saw in several games this past season. I don't see how he can play MLB in this league when he can't/won't stack and shed or even try to take on a blocker period. And when there is a scrum he gets completely lost in it unable to fight through it to the ball carrier. Hard to replace him now but McCarthy is going to have to work those issues out of Jaylon.

the hope is new LB coaches, new directions, new plans and new scheme-devise ways can get Jaylon going in the best ways he knows best.

Jaylon can be an explosive hitter in pursuit and head on when he can build running momentum, and he has the physicality to jar and strip the balls loose from ball carriers.
The shed block theory is not coming from a lack of effort but maybe more a lack of instincts.

He tend to guesses gaps wrong, too easily fooled by misdirection and gets caught up in traffic, or caught a step late to the action.
He’s more straight line that doesn’t have top change of direction and knack for coverage that could serve him in coverage.
I don’t think I particularly like a supposed Captain responsible for calling the signals having this many minuses that you have to keep overcompensating for him.

So a big key will be someone like LB coach George Edwards creating ways where his read keys are kept simple, and he doesn’t have to overthink vs run or pass.
Edwards should also be able to devise the best coverage scheme for him, rather than having him cover a WR one on one on all three downs (ala Chicago game beaten for a TD)

Frankly the coaching staff and riff among LB Ben Bloom and DC assistant Kris Richard was quite a mutiny mess, coaches bickering among each other, players revolting against coaches, not disciplined or following out assignments, free lancing, etc. That’s a major problem itself.
The gap scheme and ever revolving door at 1 tech, didn’t help matters with the LBs also.
Also we flat did not have the proper support cast up front to better help him keep big body blockers off of him. .

His blitzing ability should be better exploited –blocking backs should not be able to handle his explosive rush, and it will help if the new coaches knowing what blitzing angles, matchups and packages work out best for Jay-Swipe.
 
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