What Effective NFL Front Offices Do

Verdict · Mar 18, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Great response.
My concern at this point may be tainted somewhat by the past failures. IMO, This FO has certainly not “earned” much room for trust based on the only thing that really matters in pro sports- winning.

I’m still a Cowboys fan of course. And I’m still hoping for a good offseason. The draft could certainly be a real boost. There’s certainly some great talent to be had for sure. My hesitation to credit this FO includes my frustration with SJ with his “we aren’t going to set the market”, which eventually means you’re either going to overpay for the talent you want or potentially lose them. I just think that’s a foolish starting point for the richest team in pro sports.

I share your concern about failing to get guys re-signed at a good cap value. (I assume you are talking about Dak and Cooper). In fairness to the organization, they did try to sign both and both refused to sign.

One might successfully make the point that we would have been better off overpaying a year ago and in retrospect that would probably be accurate, but Dak has significant question marks going into last year so, I don’t think they wanted to get suckered into a back breaking contract.

I am not sure any of us expected rate increase coming. We knew it would come, but maybe not to this extent.

It’s a long shot, but there is a small probability that the Cowboys could draft a QB and deal Dak at some point.

The real back breaking contract here is Tank’s. Bad move by the organization (at least it looks like it) and it has caused a cascading domino effect on the few large contracts we are contemplating (Dak, Cooper, Byron). Does anyone think we would have let Byron walk off we had flipped Tank for picks last year?

Verdict · Mar 18, 2020

Reid1boys said:
you are about to see how having Tom Brady made the Pats front office look like geniuses. Now with him gone... all of the sudden the front office will start sucking.
IM thinking that the Chiefs front office is about to start having the best GM in the business for the next decade.

Maybe. I think The Hoodie May have more success than Tom will in TB.

Verdict · Mar 18, 2020

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Teams that play market setter are like 1 for 200 in the past twenty years in terms of regular season success. Washington and NY have tried it recently and repeatedly and failed hard.

The Cowboys have obviously had a gameplan for years. You don't like parts of it but that doesn't mean it is not there.

There is no reason to believe that NFL teams pigeonhole themselves into individual players and unerringly predict the market.

The club has systematically resigned their own players they want to keep. OL, DE, LB, WR, etc. They have had many successes over the years but it takes two to tango at the end of the day. If a player insists on testing the market short of the tag the club cannot stop it.

The only aging player we have held onto lately at a poor price has been Witten and his play only really cratered last year. We have had one of the youngest rosters in the league because of it.

Stephen has talked at length about how he appropriates space between sides of the ball and position groups. I think you mistake message board stupidity for actual policy.

You have little clue about the level of nepotism in the NFL. Most owners meddle all the time and use their GMs as chamberlains to occlude their involvement. Mara, Benson, and Rooney have been doing it for decades. The difference with Jerry is he is open about it.

Very good post, but Witten fell off long before last year.

plasticman · Mar 18, 2020

Real front offices have real GM's.

It doesn't matter what the plan is because it would be only a matter of time before Jones's interference would derail it.

The first step to repairing this team is a funeral. Jerry Jones insists on this. He is the problem and he has vowed not to step down as GM.

birdwells1 · Mar 18, 2020

blueblood70 said:
its not about Happiness its about Facts and rhetoric you are spewing is not fact.. theres very few teams that are more successful then the Cowboys and many lie NE did it very different then you are describing..who cares about feeling and happiness, you were WRONG about 31 teams have it right.. LMAO name them all , the sustained success over the process you described , the teams that do it exactly like that and stay GREAT? the best at it NE does not go out and go crazy in FA and are very methodical in who they bring in and for how much.. that blows your theory up and thats my point.. sometimes being aggressive works and sometimes it doesnt , just because fans arent happy their team are big splash FA first day news worthy means nothing.. thats HYPE, looks good on paper until it doesnt IE dream team assemblers who hardly have that work out..

What's your definition of success? If aiming for 9-7 every year is it then you're correct.

The fact that the Jones's dont make personnel decisions like their jobs depended on it does make a difference.

NE had the GOAT qb and coach for the last 20 years which covered a lot of personnel weaknesses, you saw what happened last year when they had no wrs.

Bobhaze · Mar 18, 2020

birdwells1 said:
What's your definition of success? If aiming for 9-7 every year is it then you're correct.

The fact that the Jones's dont make personnel decisions like their jobs depended on it does make a difference.

NE had the GOAT qb and coach for the last 20 years which covered a lot of personnel weaknesses, you saw what happened last year when they had no wrs.

I bolded your statement about the Jones and their job security. Absolute truth.

Bobhaze · Mar 19, 2020

blueblood70 said:
just because he writes well thought out, heart felt , eloquent ,well structures posts doesnt make them legit..

its a opinion and thats it.. internet media at its best..you can hold him in high regard but it doesnt make his post more factual or accurate..its just his opinion..

but thanks for letting me reply..lol

You’re absolutely right...these are just my opinions. Yours are welcome too. No worries. Appreciate your passionate disagreement. No harm- no foul!

kskboys · Mar 19, 2020

JoeKing said:
So historically the Cowboys have had no plan?

For the last 10 years, I'm not sure they did. They seemed to believe every player was just a plug and play, and so acquired several who didn't fit what they wanted.

75boyz · Mar 19, 2020

ultron said:
I have a lot of respect for your opinions Bob, but I gotta say I don’t fully agree. The Cowboys have done an outstanding job drafting some top tier talent.

They nailed the whole offensive line, the best RB in the league, Dak in the 4th, Gallup, DLaw in the 2nd, Lee in the 2nd, LVE, took a chance on Jaylon, switched Byron from safety to CB and now he’s the top paid CB in the league, got Quinn for a 6th, Awuzie and Lewis have been better than people think. The only spot where they really haven’t had success is DT and Safety. Some may add the coach as well lol.

Other than that I would say they are a top 5 front office. I think the chiefs got lucky taking Mahomes with the 10th pick (Bears moved up in that draft and took Trubisky 2nd or 3rd), the Ravens got lucky with Lamar (took him 32nd), Patriots got Brady in the 6th round.

Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. I don’t think the Cowboys have been lucky, but I think they are damn good at putting together a very good roster.

Let’s see what a different coaching staff can do!

Classy respectful response. I agree on your examples of the pivotal players on other teams chosen to support the idea that getting a little lucky in the draft is to be included with becoming good.

I understand your fundamental take that perhaps it was primarily a coaching fail but after 25 years and several coaches in addition to the Garrett regime it still doesn't make any sense to me that the Cowboys have not lucked into at least one Cinderella season vice bucking that law of averages somehow like they have.

The FO blunders bears the brunt of this lack of organizational success and I sure hope the Mike McCarthy era ushers in a drastic new look that many are so optimistic about.

For me personally, I will temper my enthusiasm until consistent post season success becomes the norm again.

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