News: MIJ: 49ers free agent Emmanuel Sanders 'weighing my options'; Cowboys mentioned

fivetwos said:

Of course theres the idea that he absolutely wanted to go to a team with no QB and insisted on it.

He took the best offer he was going to get. Anyone who topped it would have gotten him. I'm surprised no one did. Really, we are talking beer revenue for one home game being the difference.

Maybe I'm just POed because I think they are going corner at 17, which I very much dont want to do.

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But the thing is we are now talking with the hindsight knowledge of what Harris signed for. The Cowboys had to make an offer without that knowledge, and they didn't automatically have the opportunity to top the Broncos offer. Harris agent may have simply chosen to work with whatever team made what they felt was the best initial offer, or the top two, and Dallas was outside that.

It seems some think the Cowboys only have to find out what another team offers a free agent and then offer more. That would be nice, but the reality is the Cowboys do not have that kind of right of first refusal on free agents.

speedkilz88 said:

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Seems like for being the 3rd and 4th option at times if you include Zeke....Cobb produced more. I thought Sanders would produce more of the 9ers than he did.

Cobb is also 3 years younger. And its the Texans. They're stupid.

rocyaice said:

Seems like for being the 3rd and 4th option at times if you include Zeke....Cobb produced more. I thought Sanders would produce more of the 9ers than he did.

Cobb is also 3 years younger. And its the Texans. They're stupid.

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You're forgetting Sanders had to deal with Flacco for 7 games.

speedkilz88 said:

You're forgetting Sanders had to deal with Flacco for 7 games.

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I'm not. I remember. But these teams aren't going to care. They are gonna offer him a deal based on what his production was. He also didn't have the post season run I think most expected.

OmerV said:

But the thing is we are now talking with the hindsight knowledge of what Harris signed for. The Cowboys had to make an offer without that knowledge, and they didn't automatically have the opportunity to top the Broncos offer. Harris agent may have simply chosen to work with whatever team made what they felt was the best initial offer, or the top two, and Dallas was outside that.

It seems some think the Cowboys only have to find out what another team offers a free agent and then offer more. That would be nice, but the reality is the Cowboys do not have that kind of right of first refusal on free agents.

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Totally agree with your point, and I understand that.

But by the same means, they arent sealed bid offers. The agent calls around to teams who have reached out and says....I've got 2 for 17 with 7 guaranteed from LA on the table. What can you do?

The worst agent in the world makes those calls to get the player the highest offer. Unless he really wanted to play in LA, Dallas got a call to better that offer, OR he very much wanted to play there, OR the agent is awful.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I totally get that Dallas cant just have whoever they want. I've never moaned about this once ever, but they should have outdone the offer he eventually took....or maybe they did, and he wanted to be in LA.

We dont know, but I have a feeling a few extra million would have swayed him.

speedkilz88 said:

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Thanks O'Brien you idiot

speedkilz88 said:

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They ought to take a look at exactly who dished out that deal.

One day the dude trades arguably the best WR in the game for a song, then replaces him with Cobb at that money.

There needs to be more than one dummy around if Sanders is going to look at it that way.

I see and aging (yet productive to be fair) WR asking for a pile leading into the arguably the strongest WR draft ever.

Not sure on that as far as working out well.

Maybe that same logic tells Dallas they can get him cheap. Suppose you have to make the call in that case.

I've read that the Cowboys are out on Sanders now. Looks like SF, NYJ and TB are in the lead here.

speedkilz88 said:

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I'd rather have Griffen than a 3rd WR.

That being said, I solved their problem. Sign Sanders. Cut Crawford. Use his money to sign Griffen. Offense and defense both get better.

I am stunned that they still think Crawford is a high value player.

speedkilz88 said:

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Stop quoting this guy. He is guessing

at this point draft a WR this draft is absolutely the best receiver draft in years. And if your defensive needs are so much that you cant do that (which they might be)I can think of a guy who wore 88 that may come pretty cheap and has said hell know his role. He'd make an ok #3 Amari can work out of the slot

fivetwos said:

Totally agree with your point, and I understand that.

But by the same means, they arent sealed bid offers. The agent calls around to teams who have reached out and says....I've got 2 for 17 with 7 guaranteed from LA on the table. What can you do?

The worst agent in the world makes those calls to get the player the highest offer. Unless he really wanted to play in LA, Dallas got a call to better that offer, OR he very much wanted to play there, OR the agent is awful.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I totally get that Dallas cant just have whoever they want. I've never moaned about this once ever, but they should have outdone the offer he eventually took....or maybe they did, and he wanted to be in LA.

We dont know, but I have a feeling a few extra million would have swayed him.

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I don't disagree that the agent will shop some, but there is a limit. If an agent makes it where the initial bids are meaningless and every team will get at least a 2nd, if not 3rd or 4th bite at the apple, there is no incentive for any team to make anything close to their best offer to start with. Accordingly, while it's true that it isn't a sealed bid situation, it's also not an auction situation with the bidders all being in separate locations and having to take the auctioneer's word on what the others are bidding. Also, teams can be reluctant to negotiate seriously if they don't feel like the agent is actually trying to negotiate a deal with them.

This why I think it's likely the agent would try and force teams to make their best offer up front, and then either try to negotiate from there with the team that made the best offer, or at least narrow the negotiation to just a couple of teams.

speedkilz88 said:

Their numbers were pretty similar last year with Sanders having a couple more TDs. The thing is 7 of Sanders games were in Denver with Flacco who sucks. His numbers jumped up quite a bit going to Garappolo

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Pretty similar just not appreciably better, was my point.

Similar enough that, if Sanders wasn't 3 years older (already 33), they might be seen as similar enough that Sanders wouldn't even be a cheaper alternative to Cobb.

And, to be clear, I think Cobb's season and whatever magical elixir he found that made him connect so well with Dak is unlikely to be repeated by anyone anyway. Even by Cobb himself if we brought him back. We could have brought Cobb back and it still likely would have resulted in a downgrade from what we got out of his position in 2019.

In his last 4 years in Green Bay, Cobb averaged 10-point-something yards per catch in 3 of the the years and 9.9 yards per catch in the other year. So him blowing up for 15.1 yards per catch for us really came out of nowhere. It's literally the highest he's ever averaged in his entire career, even with those elite passing offenses with Rodgers in his prime. Fair to say that's a bit fluky and we could 100% expect regression from him.

So when I say we'll be downgrading that position, it's not an insult. We were gonna downgrade that position even if we brought back Cobb, in all likelihood.

Though it's possible, if he doesn't like the TE and if he thinks Zeke will run just fine from 3-WR sets as a base offense, that the 3rd WR becomes more of a starter and is given more targets and a bigger workload than Cobb got. So even if the explosiveness goes down (and it should -- that 15.1 yards per catch average is rarefied air), it's possible the 3rd WR gets to post better counting stats purely because we increase the role.

We are getting neither of these players Jerry likes discount bin shopping.

The man must be blind to Dak's greatness.

Zordon said:

The man must be blind to Dak's greatness.

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Dang. He’s gonna have a good year there. Deep draft tho, we need to get Everson , draft isn’t that deep at DE