Time is up to give Dak the benefit of the doubt

Philmonroe

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Yeah, Dak, win the game in Philly with a bum throwing shoulder and a coaching staff that makes you pass 44 times and gives Zeke the ball 13 times. In what was never more than a two score game.

Not attacking you, just saying that Eagles game was lost by Jason Garrett and company.
Nope theEagles game was lost by Dak and company. If you and others hype up his wins as a solo stat he takes the losses too. It can't be all wins are his with no credit to Garrett and anybody else but the losses are everybody else's but his. Miss me with that bs.
 

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Have you ever played football or any sport for contracts and currency? If not shut up and stop speaking on another man’s money. Who are you to say what’s fair and what isn’t? Why should Dak take less than his peers who were drafted the same year but ain’t had the individual success he’s had? What makes Dak less valuable? Why should he have to bow down and accept less than he feels he’s worth? How would you like it if a customer told you not to ask for a raise and accept whatever they want to pay you??? Man. I swear. The thought process of you people is atrocious and hypocritical. You all ain’t paying his salary no matter what he signs for. So shut the —— up and let those who get paid to determine these things do what they do.
So why are you speaking on his money one way or another yourself then? Lack of knowledge people always saying things not seeing that their logic applies to them too smh.
 

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Another Rowdy vents his emotions. :muttley:

It's a contract negotiation, not fantasy camp.
Because someone doesn't care to post a silly picture makes his opinion somehow less valued?

That's cute. Just because you make 20k posts in a matter of a few years doesn't make you smarter, although I'm sure you would disagree with that.
 

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I think Dak is following his agent's advice. Because this front office has caved into players demands recently, and not drawn a hard line, this is Dak and his agency's angle. If we agree or not, that is really not the point. It is bottom line.

Dak's comments don't bother me as much. The guy played out his contract, thinking he'd improve to get a bigger piece of the pie, and he did improve. We were still 8-8, but throwing for 4900 yards, compared to what he did previously, drove his price up despite the team's record. I respect him for that. So many outcomes could have taken place to make him look like he made the wrong decision, but he took that chance. We were still 8-8, but individual performances do count in this league whether people accept it or not.
The Cowboys can easily use the stats from last year against Dak. The more the team leaned on Dak and his passing ability, the more games they lost. Several of those games , Dak and the offense didn’t start playing until the 3rd quarter. Dak got good stats from the .4th quarter of those games because it was garbage time with no hopes of Dallas winning. If Dak wants to be a Cowboy and sign a reasonable contract, he could certainly do it. Instead, Dak and his agent are wanting $40 million and to be paid like the top QB in the league. Jerry should let Dak’s agent explore a trade. If all of the articles are true, other NFL front offices are not sold on Dak to the extent that Dallas is. Dak may wake up when he sees that he is not wanted around the league with the contract he is wanting.
 
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Nope theEagles game was lost by Dak and company. If you and others hype up his wins as a solo stat he takes the losses too. It can't be all wins are his with no credit to Garrett and anybody else but the losses are everybody else's but his. Miss me with that bs.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious double standard that they use to build Dak up.
 

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Lol......that’s laughable.
MM was fired from GB and in his last couple of years he skipped team meetings and practice to get massages. That sounds like a lazy , burnt-out coach. His former players was happy to see him go. I wish him the best and hope he starts with a clean slate, but his history is there for all to see. He has never been some hard-nosed disciplinarian type of coach, which should concern everybody. Dallas needs a hard core coach instead of a pushover.
 

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MM was fired from GB and in his last couple of years he skipped team meetings and practice to get massages. That sounds like a lazy , burnt-out coach. His former players was happy to see him go. I wish him the best and hope he starts with a clean slate, but his history is there for all to see. He has never been some hard-nosed disciplinarian type of coach, which should concern everybody. Dallas needs a hard core coach instead of a pushover.

Yes he looked washed up as well. Tired and lacking in the juice to inspire a team.
 

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The Cowboys can easily use the stats from last year against Dak. The more the team leaned on Dak and his passing ability, the more games they lost. Several of those games , Dak and the offense didn’t start playing until the 3rd quarter. Dak got good stats from the .4th quarter of those games because it was garbage time with no hopes of Dallas winning. If Dak wants to be a Cowboy and sign a reasonable contract, he could certainly do it. Instead, Dak and his agent are wanting $40 million and to be paid like the top QB in the league. Jerry should let Dak’s agent explore a trade. If all of the articles are true, other NFL front offices are not sold on Dak to the extent that Dallas is. Dak may wake up when he sees that he is not wanted around the league with the contract he is wanting.

I think you would be hard pressed to use Dak's 2019 stats against him unless you blame him for the majority of the team's losses. Even with Romo, we had slow starts and the common denominator was Garrett. I used to think garbage time was when a team was getting blown out, but I don't consider this applies if you are within one score of your opponent. That was the case with the majority of our losses.

If the FO wants to go play by play, showing Dak he was the reason for the slow starts, etc., I think likewise they'll see flaws on the team outside of Dak's play that would indicate, it was not all on him, and Dak's team could easily make their case. Dak does have some issues, no doubt, but I am encouraged by his improvement. Dak is going to get paid above what he is worth. They just need to get it over with. They re-signed Cooper Rush. Sheesh. This should let you know it is either Dak or bust for this FO.
 

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MM was fired from GB and in his last couple of years he skipped team meetings and practice to get massages. That sounds like a lazy , burnt-out coach. His former players was happy to see him go. I wish him the best and hope he starts with a clean slate, but his history is there for all to see. He has never been some hard-nosed disciplinarian type of coach, which should concern everybody. Dallas needs a hard core coach instead of a pushover.

Whatever you think he is, which sounds really biased to me, he is way better than the horrid Garrett.

He is an actual offensive mind that understands the game. Also appears to have enough respect to where he can choose where he works and Jones stepped out of the way and gave him authority to hire and fire all his own coaches.

Its just laughable to me to hear someone upset about firing Garrett and hiring MM.

You will see the differences starting this year. No doubt about it.
 

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Just looking at him makes me less motivated. He has the excitement level of a bag of rocks.

Whats the matter, doesn't he clap enough for you? :laugh::laugh:

People wonder how the hatred starts. Its starts EXACTLY like this with guys like you. For whatever reason, you have come up with some reason to hate McCarthy already. Before he has even coached one game. And no doubt you will be rooting for him to fail and will never have the ability to admit that you were wrong if he does well.

Seems like a mindless point of view. How about you let the guy coach before you say how much he sucks. Is that so difficult for you?

If McCarthy is as bad as Garrett, he will get no love from me. But at least I can revel in the firing of Garrett and the hope of better coaching to come.
 

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Whatever you think he is, which sounds really biased to me, he is way better than the horrid Garrett.

He is an actual offensive mind that understands the game. Also appears to have enough respect to where he can choose where he works and Jones stepped out of the way and gave him authority to hire and fire all his own coaches.

Its just laughable to me to hear someone upset about firing Garrett and hiring MM.

You will see the differences starting this year. No doubt about it.

I don't know anyone upset at losing Garrett. Just disappointed in appointing McCarthy who lacked innovation and the ability to motivate players last few seasons at Green Bay. Plus the general state of him - he looks like a (bad) second hand car salesman.
 

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I think you would be hard pressed to use Dak's 2019 stats against him unless you blame him for the majority of the team's losses. Even with Romo, we had slow starts and the common denominator was Garrett. I used to think garbage time was when a team was getting blown out, but I don't consider this applies if you are within one score of your opponent. That was the case with the majority of our losses.

If the FO wants to go play by play, showing Dak he was the reason for the slow starts, etc., I think likewise they'll see flaws on the team outside of Dak's play that would indicate, it was not all on him, and Dak's team could easily make their case. Dak does have some issues, no doubt, but I am encouraged by his improvement. Dak is going to get paid above what he is worth. They just need to get it over with. They re-signed Cooper Rush. Sheesh. This should let you know it is either Dak or bust for this FO.
I all honesty, Dak is not responsible for every loss, but if he is going to take total credit for the wins, he needs to take credit for the loses. Dak is not the type of QB that can take the team on his back and will them to victory. The biggest thing he can do for this team is not screw up.
 

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Whats the matter, doesn't he clap enough for you? :laugh::laugh:

People wonder how the hatred starts. Its starts EXACTLY like this with guys like you. For whatever reason, you have come up with some reason to hate McCarthy already. Before he has even coached one game. And no doubt you will be rooting for him to fail and will never have the ability to admit that you were wrong if he does well.

Seems like a mindless point of view. How about you let the guy coach before you say how much he sucks. Is that so difficult for you?

If McCarthy is as bad as Garrett, he will get no love from me. But at least I can revel in the firing of Garrett and the hope of better coaching to come.
I was not a Garrett fan either. I don’t have a problem with the MM hire, but a bunch of fans is trying to make him out to be more than what he is. MM has a history that can’t be ignored. I don’t forget about coaches and player’s histories and track record just because Dallas signs them to a contract. I wish MM well. I also think that Garrett will go on to have a much better career elsewhere. You really make too much out of comments that you disagree with. Exaggerating comments starts as much hatred as anything I post.
 

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I all honesty, Dak is not responsible for every loss, but if he is going to take total credit for the wins, he needs to take credit for the loses. Dak is not the type of QB that can take the team on his back and will them to victory. The biggest thing he can do for this team is not screw up.

Fair points.
 

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I don't know anyone upset at losing Garrett. Just disappointed in appointing McCarthy who lacked innovation and the ability to motivate players last few seasons at Green Bay. Plus the general state of him - he looks like a (bad) second hand car salesman.
Shhh! Don’t let facts upset the natives. They got a new Big Kahuna .
 

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I don't know anyone upset at losing Garrett. Just disappointed in appointing McCarthy who lacked innovation and the ability to motivate players last few seasons at Green Bay. Plus the general state of him - he looks like a (bad) second hand car salesman.

Plenty of fat coaches. And I was concerned that possibly he grew stale. But after reading how much studying and research he did in his year off from coaching, I was impressed. And I did like the fact that he retained Moore. Which should be plenty enough to make sure the offense stays modern and creative.
 

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I was not a Garrett fan either. I don’t have a problem with the MM hire, but a bunch of fans is trying to make him out to be more than what he is. MM has a history that can’t be ignored. I don’t forget about coaches and player’s histories and track record just because Dallas signs them to a contract. I wish MM well. I also think that Garrett will go on to have a much better career elsewhere. You really make too much out of comments that you disagree with. Exaggerating comments starts as much hatred as anything I post.

McCarthy has a great history. Every coach gets fired and things get stale. Doesn't mean they cant coach. Doesn't even mean it was McCarthy's fault the team faltered. He was just the guy that got blamed. If you know the history of GB then you know that the GM and his failure to address the Oline, run game, and defense were the big issues in GB.

Garrett is a bad coach period. That isn't going to change going forward. We can see quite plainly that no one wanted him as a HC. In fact, it seems the ONLY team even remotely interested in Garrett was the Giants as OC.
 

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Contract negotiations can get ugly. What’s going on between Dak & the Jones’ is nothing out of the ordinary. They tagged him and will continue to hammer out details until a deal gets done. Cutting him, trading him, etc. etc. isn’t going to happen. No matter how much some of theses posters have personal dislike for him. He’s going to be a Cowboy and he’s going to get an extension.
 
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