How does Frederick retiring affect the salary cap?

AbeBeta · Mar 23, 2020

thunderpimp91 said:
Not talking about removing the cap, just the dead money after a player retires, specifically due to injury.

Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

cowboy_ron · Mar 23, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

You sure whine alot.

Reality · Mar 23, 2020

Stop the personal attacks and insults!

You can disagree without resorting to them!

thunderpimp91 · Mar 23, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

And you may be right on that one. I'll be the first to admit i'm not a cap guru. From how people are educating me it seems like most of the cap hit this year is because of the restructures anyways.

CyberB0b · Mar 23, 2020

He's always struck me as a stand-up guy. I'm sure the team was the first to know.

ColoradoCowboy · Mar 23, 2020

OK, so I answered this on another thread, but the cap hit/relief depends on TWO things:

1. When he files the retirement papers with the NFL.

If he files before June 1st, we get about 3/4 of a million in cap relief.
If he files after June 1st, we get $7 million in cap relief.
Dead money is a thing too. Over $11 million this year if papers are filed before June 1st.

2. If the Cowboys attempt to recover the portion of the signing bonus for the years remaining on his contract.

This is the REAL question. If they go after the remaining signing bonus, we could get up to just short of $12 million in cap relief.

fivetwos · Mar 23, 2020

This is why the guaranteed money on these QB contracts is such a big deal.

If, for whatever reason, that player couldnt be on the roster in say, year two of a 100M guarantee, and that gets accelerated into that year, youd have to cut nearly everyone to absorb the cap hit.

The first time that happens to a team is what is going to finally corral these QB salaries into reality.

tunahelper · Mar 23, 2020

CyberB0b said:
He's always struck me as a stand-up guy. I'm sure the team was the first to know.

If Fredbeard is not the same player it may be for the best. He definitely was not the same player last year, so it may be an upgrade that he retires. He was done.

lockster · Mar 23, 2020

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AbeBeta said:
Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

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Adreme said:
Both sides know the player can retire as well. It cuts both ways.

No it doesn't, players know they don't have guaranteed contracts, the owners are actually suppose to be able to get the prorated part back, but Jerry doesn't usually do this , which is dumb. Players contracts are essentially based on performance etc. Just like any other contract worker that be cut like a nurse friend of mine this week. It's in the players owners agreement. If a player doesn't fulfill the terms of his contract, then he should have to give back bonus money intended to be spread out over life of contract. This is called honesty. And if you can't pull up his contract, you have no idea, how much prorated money was still left on there. And then you will have to see both his first and second contract.

lockster · Mar 23, 2020

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AbeBeta said:
Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

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AbeBeta said:
Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

If you don't like hearing others complain, then why are you complaining about them complaining? This is another self refuting statement ! You are guilty of the very thing you are accusing another person of. If you don't like it, then ignore it, it's that easy! the conversation obviously isn't owned by you, and you don't improve it by Ur own standards of what you think the conversation should be. Jsmh.

Risen Star · Mar 23, 2020

conner01 · Mar 23, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Why? We structured the contract in a way that it would be basically a wash to terminate the deal in 2020. The deal is terminated.

Folks need to stop screaming about dead money. Dead money doesn't matter on its own but people who don't understand the cap wanna cry about it.

So explain it rather than chastising about it
Looks to me we lose 11 mil in cap space but can spread over two years if it’s not official till June 1, less the 600k
How do you see it

jaythecowboy · Mar 23, 2020

lockster said:
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No it doesn't, players know they don't have guaranteed contracts, the owners are actually suppose to be able to get the prorated part back, but Jerry doesn't usually do this , which is dumb. Players contracts are essentially based on performance etc. Just like any other contract worker that be cut like a nurse friend of mine this week. It's in the players owners agreement. If a player doesn't fulfill the terms of his contract, then he should have to give back bonus money intended to be spread out over life of contract. This is called honesty. And if you can't pull up his contract, you have no idea, how much prorated money was still left on there. And then you will have to see both his first and second contract.

From what I understand, the dead money is restructures. That is money he already earned the years he played; the team just lowered the cap hit.

MojaveJT · Mar 23, 2020

So we lose a great player and get barely anything in cap space. Well that sounds like a big L to me.

lockster · Mar 23, 2020

jaythecowboy said:
From what I understand, the dead money is restructures. That is money he already earned the years he played; the team just lowered the cap hit.

You don't know that without reading both contracts, the contracts need to be seen to determine that because contracts are usually backloaded in Dallas with money , we need to know years of both contracts, intended money vs. non intended money, and such things. I seriously doubt there isn't money from his two signing bonuses still left on that contract , especially of there's dead money. The presence of dead money, almost guarantee, there's money owed back to the team.

Adreme · Mar 23, 2020

lockster said:
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No it doesn't, players know they don't have guaranteed contracts, the owners are actually suppose to be able to get the prorated part back, but Jerry doesn't usually do this , which is dumb. Players contracts are essentially based on performance etc. Just like any other contract worker that be cut like a nurse friend of mine this week. It's in the players owners agreement. If a player doesn't fulfill the terms of his contract, then he should have to give back bonus money intended to be spread out over life of contract. This is called honesty. And if you can't pull up his contract, you have no idea, how much prorated money was still left on there. And then you will have to see both his first and second contract.

Plenty of teams do not do this because they understand people get hurt and people get sick. I get being a horrible boss can benefit the bottom line, but sometimes being a good person is better then making the most money possible. Plus even still they can recoup part of the signing bonus, obviously not all of it, but there are other guarantees in that contract outside of that, that cannot be recouped so its not like there is a ton of money that the Cowboys have access to.

gjkoeppen · Mar 23, 2020

Cwby41 said:
How does this effect our cap, hate to see such a great young class guy like Fredericks leave us, but now that he is where do we stand with cap dollars? does it free up any money to sign more help?

It will knock off 2.25 mil off this years cap but the Cowboys can go after the remaining 11 mil left over that was given to him at signing his contract in 2016 Teams in the past have recouped the remainder of signing bonus when players retire before the contract is up.
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TheMarathonContinues · Mar 23, 2020

lockster said:
I'd take him to court and sue him for every dime I could get! He has done us like Ratliff did!!!!!! Stolen millions from our cap !! And team!!!!!! Now he can go hang out with Ratliff and the two of them can laugh about how much they stole from Jerry, Crawford belongs there too, as well as a few others.

I wish you would retire as a fan

lockster · Mar 23, 2020

Adreme said:
Plenty of teams do not do this because they understand people get hurt and people get sick. I get being a horrible boss can benefit the bottom line, but sometimes being a good person is better then making the most money possible. Plus even still they can recoup part of the signing bonus, obviously not all of it, but there are other guarantees in that contract outside of that, that cannot be recouped so its not like there is a ton of money that the Cowboys have access to.

Again you don't know this without seeing the contract. And Fred is no longer sick! If he retired last year, I'd say, I understand why he retired. Dallas was good to him by paying him for a whole year for a NON FOOTBALL INJURY. So, if there's dead money, he's almost certainly got money owed back to the team. This is a game with a cap! A gift to Fred is a chip off the cap. This isn't about being good or bad by a team, but about managing the cap the best way possible. That's what winning teams like new England do. If you don't care about winning, then yes , just don't worry about how much anyone gets paid. Let's just up Crawford's 8 a year to 16 mill a year. After all, he's a nice guy, at least the cowboys think so.

lockster · Mar 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
I wish you would retire as a fan

At least I am a fan of the team, you are just a fan of nastiness and greed.

How does Frederick retiring affect the salary cap?

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