How does Frederick retiring affect the salary cap?

Sandyf said:

According to u he needs to live up to his contract then owners need hold to what they sign a guy to and not cut him because they don't want to pay him anymore. Works both ways.

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Rockport said:

Close your mouth.

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ColoradoCowboy said:

While true, cutting him removes the ability to go after the signing bonus money and the cap relief that goes with it.

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lockster said:

Your lack of civility and using comparisons that aren't the same disgust my sense of intelligence in speaking to you, Ryan shazier got his neck broke, Fred only got sick! It wasn't even a football injury! Got paid for a full year! What company you know that does this? You might as well not answer this since Ur incapable of logical thought processes. He's NOT sick right now, he needs to look at the contract and figure out exactly what the prorated bonus would still be applicable and, give it back, then he needs to apologize for taking so long to decide to retire and pulling a witten on us. Then you need to go to good manners school because U don't have any. . What do you do for a living ? Hang out with meth heads? They seem to be the ones that talk like you do, or maybe you have spent too much time watching the Jerry springer show? How many offensive lineman do you know that have had a life threatening injury from playing football? Do you know the difference between the different positions played in football?

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rocyaice said:

You call yourself a fan? And nastiness and greed is exactly what your comment looked like. I’m not saying you have to have compassion but damn at least show some form of humanity.

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robjay04 said:

Bogus how the contracts work that way when a player retires.

Nonetheless..we have 23 million now and aren’t penny pinching so I doubt it would change much.

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big dog cowboy said:

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Adreme said:

Except he is still sick. The fact that he is still sick is NOT in doubt. He is 100% still sick.

Also fun fact every team that has tried to copy the NE way has failed because people will only take less if you are already established yourself as a winner. People will not work the hardships that BB puts a team through if you do have the pedigree to prove it works (also a LOT of lets just say pushing the rules to their limits helps). Also a lot of winning teams still manage to win while treating their players like human beings. Also NE is more notorious for not paying people more than what they think they are worth or for shipping someone out when they think they are done; they are not really known for being the Lions (who btw have not won in 50 years so).

It is easier to view as nothing more than cogs instead of as humans. If they cant walk after they retire, if they die early in pursuit of the goal its just good business. That sort of short-term thinking can help for a season or two, but in the long run the organizations that run that way pay a premium for players because otherwise no free agent will associate with them whereas the good organizations that people have nothing but great things to say get discounts on players and win in the end. So from a quick Google search they probably could publicly go after around 4ish million for cap space but in the long run it would not pay off for them.[/QUOTE. Ok show me a doctor statement stating he's sick . That's not what was said this past season. And NE runs their show, exactly the way it should be run, and they don't abuse players, football is abusive to health, and the players know this beforehand. Other industries hand out injuries too, for pennies compared to what football players make. Dallas has been nothing but good to players, too good, way too good and that's why Dallas gets walked over by players all the time like Zeke not making sure to live above reproach to make sure he doesn't get suspended and then coming into camp out of shape everytime, tank not getting surgery for his rotator cuff when he could have held out just as easy with the surgery. Crawford getting in trouble after robbing the cowboys for like four seasons straight, Dez getting big money and then not worth a dang because he won't dedicate himself to working out and learning route running, ratliffe doing the cowboys over badly. I don't know of any football players that can't walk because of football other than the few that broke their necks, and dying early? Where you get that? If they die early, it's because of their diet and lifestyle. Like tuinea on the coke , etc. These guys are not victims that are getting paid millions far from it and negotiating good is about the cap and needs to be done. Not being fully in shape doesn't make a person sick, it means they got workouts ahead to get in shape. He recovered from the disease. He needs to get in shape the same way Williams needs to add some muscle in his britches. And not all good organizations win, Dallas treats it players too good and is a perennial loser. You example fails here. There a reason NE wins and a good part of that is the players don't rule the roost like they do in Dallas.

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ksg811 said:

They’re not going after the signing bonus. That’s not how Jerry conducts business and especially not a team leader that’s battled like Frederick has the last 2 years. It would also be bad precedent for future players about how the team conducts business with its players[/QUi
If you plan on allowing thugs on Ur team, then yes. Who's the boss, the players or team? And doing the right thing, isn't a bad precidence ever , except in a corrupt society , which is the reason we don't agree.

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Rockport said:

Man what a loser.

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underdark said:

I just can’t agree with this take. The Beard has some really unusual circumstances.

We don’t even know if the new coaching staff didn’t nudge him a little.

He has been a great Cowboy. I’m not gonna have angst toward him bc he drew a short straw health wise.

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lockster said:

Ok let me tutor you on logic. If you present an cc argument, it's not credible untill you present credible evidence to show what U argue is likely or proven. You have done neither in this statement of urs. What you call humanity is saying it doesn't matter if someone doesn't fulfill terms of contract and essentially keeps money they didn't make. Im saying if you are a moral person, you pay back whatever part of the terms you didn't meet. Simple. This is what a just court would do. Fred came out ahead by getting paid a whole year for not doing a thing, and jerry didn't complain. But when he quits , esp. After the fa has way already started, and breaks the contract. He needs to fulfill the deal. The owner fulfills the deal by the players agreement with the NFL that allows the NFL to cut players. So, they aren't reneging on the terms of the contract , even if there's times it isn't fair to the player, but vested veterans come out ahead almost every single time they get cut because they get to keep the bonus and get paid the full contract, and if they got a big signing bonus, changing teams can get them paid like twice. So, either Ur honest and fulfill terms of contract , or Ur not. If you don't, pay back the prorated portion. Whatever it may be, to try to not kill a teams cap. That's the point here. At least he didn't wait as long as witten, so in comparison, I consider him better than witten. Show me my greed.. I showed U urs. I wouldn't want to do business with you, if you think breaking a contract is ok. Ive dealt with that too many times to count and have had to take ppl. To court.

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lockster said:

Ppl that can't refute , simply attack a person. This is you. .

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thunderpimp91 said:

Do away with these cap hits and teams would be more willing to get players guaranteed money. Sounds like a no brainers for both sides.

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Rockport said:

I’m not refuting you at all. Just calling you for what you are for losing respect for a man who had to make a tough decision that was best for him and his family. There’s more things in life than football, like living..

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garyv said:

They need to restructure Crawford from 8 mil to 4 mil or release him. We need another center and going into the season saying Looney and McGovern are the answers will get them killed. Penn State actually stated McGovern second position was center and remember the size of Looney's contract was very small so nobody was chasing him. Most teams look at him like a backup.

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lockster said:

Then if there's more things to life than football, then what are you doing here? Arguing with me? Lol. That's another self refuting statement. Losing respect for ppl like you that attack others, because you don't like their position , isn't going to make me lose sleep. I'm more worried about losing respect from ppl who have morals , ethics , and can actually make rational arguments.

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