Lets go get Griffen and we are good to go

Kingofholland · Mar 25, 2020

blueblood70 said:
the move to make a change from Crawford and possibly add Griffin will be post draft..they will see what they get and if a griffin is still available he will be cheaper and then we cut Crawford.. they have moves left..the longer a FA is on the market the cheaper he will be ..

Don't think Griffen will be available post draft. Many free agents want to get deals done before the draft because it hibders their market.

Hawkeye0202 · Mar 25, 2020

Idgit said:
We have his old DC on staff. So, if his price comes down to a neighborhood we’re comfortable with, we’ll know pretty quickly whether or not he’d be a fit here.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!! .......just about to post this. Not to mention he's played his entire career in the same division as MM. So we have as much, if not more inside info on him as any team.

Sydla · Mar 25, 2020

Kingofholland said:
Don't think Griffen will be available post draft. Many free agents want to get deals done before the draft because it hibders their market.

Yeah, I think at some point he's going to get snatched up in the next couple of weeks.

I hope it's us doing the snatching with a nice one year deal for like $9-10MM.

Kingofholland · Mar 25, 2020

Griffen probably costs the same as Crawford.

One has 74.5 career sacks age 32

The other has 23 career sacks age 30

Now debate which player you rather have?

Common Sense · Mar 25, 2020

rocyaice said:
Father Time.

Plenty of players have successful careers into their 30s. That was just a bunch of PR nonsense the Joneses started trotting out when they screwed up the salary cap so bad they had to let all the high priced veterans go.

blueblood70 · Mar 25, 2020

Kingofholland said:
Don't think Griffen will be available post draft. Many free agents want to get deals done before the draft because it hibders their market.

as of now he could be..dont wreck my hypothetical while it has merit NOW,..

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 25, 2020

Common Sense said:
Plenty of players have successful careers into their 30s. That was just a bunch of PR nonsense the Joneses started trotting out when they screwed up the salary cap so bad they had to let all the high priced veterans go.

There are some. The are many more that don't. They have nothing to play for. No drive. Not all. But some.

big dog cowboy · Mar 25, 2020

Give Griffen all of Crawfords money.

Don't overthink it.

GimmeTheBall! · Mar 25, 2020

Cwby41 said:
With Poe coming on board Griffen fills a huge spot at RDE rotate him with Gregory and this is the best line on paper that we have had in recent memory. Draft CB, S, WR, BPA and lets go.

Hale fellow! Good post!
But not WR!!!!

GimmeTheBall! · Mar 25, 2020

Sydla said:
I never understand this logic against adding 30+ year olds to the team, assuming the contract is smart.

Explain to me the harm in signing a 32 year old that showed he can still play at a good level to a one or two year deal?

Good fellow, as deluded as your thesis seems, you are playing against the NFL odds.
A 32 year old will play like a 32-year-old.
A young talent will miss minutes.

Cwby41 · Mar 26, 2020

GimmeTheBall! said:
Hale fellow! Good post!
But not WR!!!!

Thank you and yes I have WR in their. I think they need to draft one as well as sign a veteran. McCarthy runs a lot of 4 WR sets. But again I feel signing a Top RDE is most important. The draft is not strong on DE and rarely would a rookie come in and impact. I would than take CB in first but would be very tempted to go WR if Lamb, Jeudy or Ruggs fell to us. Than S, or CB in next 2 res fill out as rest of draft unfolds

Sydla · Mar 26, 2020

GimmeTheBall! said:
Good fellow, as deluded as your thesis seems, you are playing against the NFL odds.
A 32 year old will play like a 32-year-old.
A young talent will miss minutes.

LOL progress stopper.

Oy.

Yeah we wouldn’t want a legit NFL DE taking snaps from Jelks or Armstrong.

hahaha

OmerV · Mar 26, 2020

GimmeTheBall! said:
Good fellow, as deluded as your thesis seems, you are playing against the NFL odds.
A 32 year old will play like a 32-year-old.
A young talent will miss minutes.

So, play the young guy even if the 32 year old is a significantly better player just because he is older? That' makes no sense.

Perhaps you are unaware that not all 32 year olds are a step away from the trash heap, and all younger players are not capable of stepping into a major role with a team.

Blanket statements like yours are irrational. A team needs to look at individual players and circumstances. Age is not a stand alone criteria.

tunahelper · Mar 26, 2020

Kingofholland said:
Don't think Griffen will be available post draft. Many free agents want to get deals done before the draft because it hibders their market.

Wonder if his previous mental health issues play into him not signing somewhere?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...personal-health-issue’-report-says/ar-AAACkAK

LifetimeBoysFan · Mar 26, 2020

rocyaice said:
You can be productive at 32. Just like you can be productive at 42. That's not how you build a team though hoping a 32 year old is still in his prime.

I'm talking about the starters. Lawrence should be 27 or 28. Poe 30, McCoy 32 and you are suggesting signing Griffin which would be 32. That's a old defensive line.

I think at this point we are looking at stop gap signings for a couple of years. McCoy is essentially a 1-3 year deal at his price tag. The longer Griffen is on the market the more he is likely to be a similar deal for whoever signs him.

They have neglected the D line too long. Let Rod dictate who to draft and now are in a position where getting some veterans to step in, with known pedigree is sensible while they replenish in the draft. Since D-line is not very deep this draft, and Kinlaw and Brown aren’t too likely to fall to 17 they are doing fine to go this route.

I don’t really think end is deeper than tackle this year either. In fact the top prospects have question marks. Especially compared fo Brown or Kinlaw. I don’t think it is realistic to think in one draft we get a whole new d line for the next decade. It will take a couple of years to do it. Even our O-line took the same to build. I’m cool with some veteran stability to keep things solid in the meantime. So long as we start making better picks than we have been as far as d-line goes in April.

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Kingofholland · Mar 26, 2020

tunahelper said:
Wonder if his previous mental health issues play into him not signing somewhere?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/vikings-star-de-everson-griffen-dealing-with-‘serious-personal-health-issue’-report-says/ar-AAACkAK

I'm sure it affects his value. Probably looks at Quinn and thinks I should be getting 12. But think most teams are thinking under 10.

Batman1980 · Mar 26, 2020

Kingofholland said:
I'm sure it affects his value. Probably looks at Quinn and thinks I should be getting 12. But think most teams are thinking under 10.

Well Quinn isn't 32, which is probably the main factor holding up Griffen's market. How many good years are you going to get out of him before he declines? 2-3? I'd say 3 years, $45 million is what I would offer, with incentives for sacks, forced fumbles and tipped passes.

Flamma · Mar 26, 2020

Keep in mind supporting cast can make a difference. With a good interior line and Tank on the left, that should bode well for any good RDE.

Common Sense · Mar 26, 2020

rocyaice said:
There are some. The are many more that don't. They have nothing to play for. No drive. Not all. But some.

That's true, but you'll notice that the ones that still have it end up being the best value free agents and trade acquisitions year after year. Figuring out how to consistently identify those players is a major competitive advantage.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 26, 2020

Common Sense said:
That's true, but you'll notice that the ones that still have it end up being the best value free agents and trade acquisitions year after year. Figuring out how to consistently identify those players is a major competitive advantage.

They do. But that's a small portion of them.

Lets go get Griffen and we are good to go

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