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gjkoeppen

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Here is your post
"I don't think it would have been 11-5 but I do think it could have been at least 10-6 or at least 9-5. Yes Maher against the jets made two long field goals and then missed a short one, that recurring bad thing. Then against the patriots he missed a field goal that at the end of the game instead of needing a TD to win they would have only needed a field goal to win. All of last seasons whose weren't because of Maher but he definitely added to them."

So your right you didn't bring up the Saints or Eagles games at which is why i did. If you are going to so say we could have been at least 10-6 or 9-5 (i assume thats a typo and you meant 9-7) then it is fair to say had our offense played better against the Saints and Eagles (2 games where FG's didn't make the difference) then we could have also been 10-6 or 9-7. Don't be so thin skinned when someone points out something else you didn't comment on
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AGAIN, I've said that Maher isn't the only reason for the Cowboys record last season, BUT he does deserve some of the blame just the offense at times and the defense a lot of the times and special teams just about all the time.. If you could go back to earlier comments I made from last season you would find that I was saying the Cowboys should have gotten a different kicker before it actually happened.

You're right it was a typo.
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AGAIN, I've said that Maher isn't the only reason for the Cowboys record last season, BUT he does deserve some of the blame just the offense at times and the defense a lot of the times and special teams just about all the time.. If you could go back to earlier comments I made from last season you would find that I was saying the Cowboys should have gotten a different kicker before it actually happened.
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Never said he didn't deserve any of the blame all i did was point out games where missed FG's weren't a factor and we lost because our of our inept offense. You seem to have taken offense to that comparison
 

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Never said he didn't deserve any of the blame all i did was point out games where missed FG's weren't a factor and we lost because our of our inept offense. You seem to have taken offense to that comparison

OK lets just look at the jets game. The Cowboys lost by TWO POINTS and Maher missed a field goal which is THREE POINTS. Then the Cowboys would have had 25 points and the jets 24 points. Yes we can say other things might have been different too but lets say that every other play in that game was exactly the same except that missed field goal. Who wins that game?
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[QUOTE="gjkoeppen, post: 10086698, member: 39929"]OK lets just look at the jets game. The Cowboys lost by TWO POINTS and Maher missed a field goal which is THREE POINTS. Then the Cowboys would have had 25 points and the jets 24 points. Yes we can say other things might have been different too but lets say that every other play in that game was exactly the same except that missed field goal. Who wins that game?
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I'm not arguing any of that, i'm just saying there were games (NO and the Eagles) where missed FG's were not the issue (none were missed in the games) and we lost because our offense was just putrid, so anyone saying that we could be 10-6 or 9-7 because of missed FG's should also be honest enough to say that we could also be 10-6 or 9-7 if our offense played better in games where no FG's were missed at all....like the Saints game (10 points) and the Eagles game (9 points). If you are going to point out one side point out the other side too. By the way Maher was 3/4 in the Jets game hardly a disaster but yes it was a miss and at the time he missed that FG he was the guy responsible for the 9 points we had in the game, so an argument can be made that he was the only guy playing well to that point. We were down 21-9 when he missed that FG. What had are vaunted offense done in that game?
 
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I just hope that Forbath can pick up where he left off last season since he seems to be the answer Dallas is going with for now. Other than one season, he's at least been an 80-plus percent kicker, which is better than what Maher was last year.

The concern is that we need him to around the 90 percent mark. He's had four seasons at 88-plus and four at 84-minus, so consistency isn't his strong suit. Hopefully, McCarthy and his special teams coach insist we bring in competition, unlike last year when a bunch of us were screaming for it.

That was one of the many signs of Garrett's incompetency or impotency. We had a kicker in 2018 who made barely over 80 percent of his kicks and we did nothing to try to improve that position that offseason.

We do have a rookie named Tristan Vizcaino on a reserve/future contract, but his senior year of college, he only made 12 of 19 FGs, and he was 57.1 percent last preseason with Cincy.
 

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I'm not arguing any of that, i'm just saying there were games (NO and the Eagles) where missed FG's were not the issue (none were missed in the games) and we lost because our offense was just putrid, so anyone saying that we could be 10-6 or 9-7 because of missed FG's should also be honest enough to say that we could also be 10-6 or 9-7 if our offense played better in games where no FG's were missed at all....like the Saints game (10 points) and the Eagles game (9 points). If you are going to point out one side point out the other side too

You were the one that started this thread and you made it about Maher. You didn't make about the entire Cowboys team. You made it with HUGE Maher and Forbath stats, so excuse any of us that stuck to what YOU started the thread about. What the Cowboys as a whole and what they did and their record there is enough blame to go around and this INCLUDES Maher. Based on what you keep coming back to me about you should have titled this thread FG kicking woes and also blame other things than just Maher. You started this now live with what people think.
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You were the one that started this thread and you made it about Maher. You didn't make about the entire Cowboys team. You made it with HUGE Maher and Forbath stats, so excuse any of us that stuck to what YOU started the thread about. What the Cowboys as a whole and what they did and their record there is enough blame to go around and this INCLUDES Maher. Based on what you keep coming back to me about you should have titled this thread FG kicking woes and also blame other things than just Maher. You started this now live with what people think.
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I never started this thread, im not the OP. And in our conversation i am the one who made it more about the team and not only the FG kicker, i'm the guy who pointed out we lost games when the FG kicker was not the issue. You seem to have an issue with that
 

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Maher was released (too late obviously) because he wasn't very good. Doesn't mean he cost us any games though. The absurdly stupid original post makes it sound like for 100% certain we would have been 11-5 with a different kicker. At worst I would say, as some others have, that he certainly didn't help their cause at times and missed some really deflating kicks.

hard to say. Last season was just a comedy of errors, and they really seemed to compound themselves. I do think a more efficient kicker likely results in at least one extra win tho, and we’re in the playoffs. But they didn’t deserve to be there anyway, on the whole
 

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I never started this thread, im not the OP. And in our conversation i am the one who made it more about the team and not only the FG kicker, i'm the guy who pointed out we lost games when the FG kicker was not the issue. You seem to have an issue with that

Please go to page 1 look at the very top where the title is and see right below where it says "Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by America's Cowboy, Today at 1:10 AM." and tell me again you didn't start it. The very first comment ONLY was about Maher and Forbath. Nothing about the rest of the team.
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And what is my name?

My bad you didn't start it. But this was started about kickers and even though as I've said repeatedly that there's enough blame to go around, this also includes Maher. To tell you the truth and I don't know why for some reason I just was thinking you started it and didn't look closely at the names. Again my bad.
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My bad you didn't start it. But this was started about kickers and even though as I've said repeatedly that there's enough blame to go around, this also includes Maher. To tell you the truth and I don't know why for some reason I just was thinking you started it and didn't look closely at the names. Again my bad.
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Never said he didn't deserve any of the blame all i did was point out games where missed FG's weren't a factor and we lost because our of our inept offense. You seem to have taken offense to that comparison
How are missed FG's not a factor? It's turning the ball over with less field position at best.
 

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How are missed FG's not a factor? It's turning the ball over with less field position at best.

I was refferring to games where we missed zero FG's and still lost the game (NO and the Eagles game even the Jets game where we were down 21-9 halfway thru the 4th quarter with some saying the FG Maher missed at the end of the 1st half, even though he was 3/4 in the game is the reason we lost the game) So i guess you can say how are not Scoring TD's not a factor?
 

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Don't believe me? Look at these terrible numbers by ex-kicker Brett Maher...



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Well, arguably, Jason Garrett was responsible for keeping Maher this long into the 2019 season when it was clear Maher had struggles being accurate since the 2018 season. How many games were lost by the foot of Brett Maher? It cost both Maher and Garrett their jobs, but no other facet of the team cost the Cowboys the 2019 season more.

Just look at Kai Forbath's last 5 teams stats (came to Dallas at the end of the 2019 season). He was 10 for 10 (100% accurate) for the Cowboys last year at the end of the season.

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Regardless of other issues that happened on the field, none were more costly than so many missed FGs. What could have been if the Cowboys FG kicking game had been much better? This facet of the game most cost the Cowboys the 2019 season.

What say you?

Winners like deeper. Our special teams were horrible in general but our defense wasn't great and our offense was very inconsistent. Especially in bigger games.
 

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Sounds like excuse making to me from the resident troll... while he had to go because his inconsistency could cost them future contests, he didn’t actually cost them a single game.
His misses were 1 of many reasons why they lost. He should have been released before the 2019 season. Jerry and Stephon were enthralled by his big leg.
 

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He cost them plenty. In broader terms, Maher has a cannon of a leg and changed the way JG coaches as a result. More specifically, he missed short fg which resulted in losses (Jets), missed a few long ones that Garrett would normally pass on which in turn screwed the Cowboys in field position which was something that plagued them all year.

Missed 57 yd FG in the Vikings game. If that is what Maher is good at, he needs to make that fg. Anyone else, Garrett would with either have punted or went for it. Gives the ball to the Vikings at almost mid field who proceed to walk down the field and score. Dallas lost by four, but were driving inside of one min and would have kicked a short fg to win if Maher makes the fg.

Missed 40yd FG at the Jets. I don't care he made a long fg, that is what he is good at. There were a number of drops as well in that game, but the kicker missed an easy one, short term it flipped the field again and ultimately ended up being the difference in a two point game.

Buffalo. Misses two easy fg, the second one takes it from being a 17-13 game with momentum to 17-6 and Buffalo getting the ball on the 35yd who than walk down the field and score a td to put the game away. Dallas was flat that day no doubt, but the kicker never gave them a chance to find there groove.
Great post
 
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