How Much of an Upgrade are McCoy/Poe?

Praxit said:

.....reaping the benefits of no Jurassic Marinelli. Him and his toothpicks in the middle. Never understood that philosophy.

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817Gill said:

But doesn’t it seem that the only category M.Collins would excel at over McCoy is pressures/pressure rate? McCoy is the superior run defender and with Maliek playing in the same scheme in LV, I don’t see why that would change. He doesn’t even get home for sacks as much as McCoy did even in a down year.

It always seemed like Maliek never could take a significant step forward from his rookie year.

And lmao

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stasheroo said:

In my opinion, there was never anything TO understand about it. All of this 'Rushmen' nonsense was a bunch of garbage. All talk, sacrificing size and power against the run, and it NEVER resulted in significant sack numbers. The Cowboys were always middle of the pack or worse in that area. The 'tradeoff' of run defense for pass rush NEVER MATERIALIZED. All we got was sacrifice with no rewards.

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817Gill said:

Baffles me that we finally go get proven players with size at DT and people feel that we didn’t upgrade. These are names that get thrown out on this forum all the time for the team to get lol, these aren’t randoms

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...t-investment-for-improving-dallas-run-defense

“Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.”

PFF isn’t everything, but I challenge any of y’all to get substantive analysis that shows Collins/Woods were better overall players. The film, analytics, and statistics from their careers as well as last years don’t lie.

The argument that last years Panthers Defense performed poorly thus McCoy/Poe can’t play is shallow. Not only did they play a scheme that doesn’t fit their skills (3/4) and have to deal with multiple injuries across the front (Poe’s absence resulted in 50ypg increase rushing). But this was arguably one of the worst years in the recent history of the Carolina Panthers, as they fired their coach mid-season and basically tanked. This has a huuuge impact on the end of year stats. I’m not going to overrule multiple years of good film on both these guys for one bad team statistical season when a generally stable organization undergoes a complete overhaul.



I bet if we had signed McCoy and another of those 4 reported 1T’s there would be no issue. Poe and another well-regraded 3T would’ve been just fine. But don’t let them sign together now we have an issue lol

Get hype, we finally have 2 legit DT’s. A common theme for all Super Bowl teams.

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JBS said:

It's pretty hard to argue that Dallas didn't upgrade here..the philosophy of the old staff is clearly gone, which everybody in here is thankful for...however, this team now has significant holes in the secondary that need to be addressed

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

why is it hard to argue. dallas defense was ranked 11 against the rush...top 10 over all I believe...Carolina was 23rd defensively and 29th against the rush....and these two were starters in the middle of the defense and primary job to stop the run. doesn't seem like they did a good job of it.

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speedkilz88 said:

Paul Guenther is the DC for the raiders, not Marinelli. It's similar but not the same scheme. Guenther was a Bengals asst under Mike Zimmer and took over there after Zimmer left.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

why is it hard to argue. dallas defense was ranked 11 against the rush...top 10 over all I believe...Carolina was 23rd defensively and 29th against the rush....and these two were starters in the middle of the defense and primary job to stop the run. doesn't seem like they did a good job of it.

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WeDemBoyz said:

I don't know why this kind of tired and lazy butt analysis is taken so seriously and spread so profusely. Are you just trying to trick people or do you really believe what you're saying?

There are a myriad of factors and variables that go into a stat like rushing yards allowed for a team defense and in no way can you tie it back to 2 interior DL... whether the ranking is good or bad. What was the offense's role in this? Did they leave the defense out? Were they pass or run heavy? How many plays did the defense have on the field? Of those plays, how many were pass vs run? How were opponents attacking the defense? So Dallas was ranked 11th in rush yards allowed but 20th in passing yards allowed. Are you saying it's because teams didn't want to attack the daunted duo of Collins and Woods? No. It sounds silly to even type that out, but that is the line of thought that stems from your logic. Did opposing teams rush have success running inside or outside? How well are the rush defense of linebackers and DBs? We could go on and on with other variables. A stat like total rushing yards allowed being tied to the worth and efforts of 2 interior DL is just not fair and complete picture. Football is the ultimate team sport.

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big dog cowboy said:

They have. You will see a big difference in LVE and Jaylon as they will be free to run and make plays like they did in 2018.

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817Gill said:

Baffles me that we finally go get proven players with size at DT and people feel that we didn’t upgrade. These are names that get thrown out on this forum all the time for the team to get lol, these aren’t randoms

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...t-investment-for-improving-dallas-run-defense

“Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.”

PFF isn’t everything, but I challenge any of y’all to get substantive analysis that shows Collins/Woods were better overall players. The film, analytics, and statistics from their careers as well as last years don’t lie.

The argument that last years Panthers Defense performed poorly thus McCoy/Poe can’t play is shallow. Not only did they play a scheme that doesn’t fit their skills (3/4) and have to deal with multiple injuries across the front (Poe’s absence resulted in 50ypg increase rushing). But this was arguably one of the worst years in the recent history of the Carolina Panthers, as they fired their coach mid-season and basically tanked. This has a huuuge impact on the end of year stats. I’m not going to overrule multiple years of good film on both these guys for one bad team statistical season when a generally stable organization undergoes a complete overhaul.

I bet if we had signed McCoy and another of those 4 reported 1T’s there would be no issue. Poe and another well-regraded 3T would’ve been just fine. But don’t let them sign together now we have an issue lol

Get hype, we finally have 2 legit DT’s. A common theme for all Super Bowl teams.

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817Gill said:

Baffles me that we finally go get proven players with size at DT and people feel that we didn’t upgrade. These are names that get thrown out on this forum all the time for the team to get lol, these aren’t randoms

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...t-investment-for-improving-dallas-run-defense

“Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.”

PFF isn’t everything, but I challenge any of y’all to get substantive analysis that shows Collins/Woods were better overall players. The film, analytics, and statistics from their careers as well as last years don’t lie.

The argument that last years Panthers Defense performed poorly thus McCoy/Poe can’t play is shallow. Not only did they play a scheme that doesn’t fit their skills (3/4) and have to deal with multiple injuries across the front (Poe’s absence resulted in 50ypg increase rushing). But this was arguably one of the worst years in the recent history of the Carolina Panthers, as they fired their coach mid-season and basically tanked. This has a huuuge impact on the end of year stats. I’m not going to overrule multiple years of good film on both these guys for one bad team statistical season when a generally stable organization undergoes a complete overhaul.

I bet if we had signed McCoy and another of those 4 reported 1T’s there would be no issue. Poe and another well-regraded 3T would’ve been just fine. But don’t let them sign together now we have an issue lol

Get hype, we finally have 2 legit DT’s. A common theme for all Super Bowl teams.

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817Gill said:

Baffles me that we finally go get proven players with size at DT and people feel that we didn’t upgrade. These are names that get thrown out on this forum all the time for the team to get lol, these aren’t randoms

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...t-investment-for-improving-dallas-run-defense

“Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.”

Get hype, we finally have 2 legit DT’s. A common theme for all Super Bowl teams.

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817Gill said:

Baffles me that we finally go get proven players with size at DT and people feel that we didn’t upgrade. These are names that get thrown out on this forum all the time for the team to get lol, these aren’t randoms

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...t-investment-for-improving-dallas-run-defense

“Both Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe received much higher grades than the 2019 Cowboys’ starters, according to PFF. McCoy beat out Maliek Collins with 72.0 versus Collins’ 65.7. Poe’s 71.2 overall grade blew Antwaun Woods’ 56.9 out of the water. The real difference was in run defense where the duo of Collins-Woods averaged a 61.2, while McCoy-Poe averaged 73.6. The Cowboys new coaching staff has committed to fixing the run defense, which is line one in Defensive Football 101. Without question, the Cowboys have improved their defensive tackle situation with the signings of McCoy and Poe.”

PFF isn’t everything, but I challenge any of y’all to get substantive analysis that shows Collins/Woods were better overall players. The film, analytics, and statistics from their careers as well as last years don’t lie.

The argument that last years Panthers Defense performed poorly thus McCoy/Poe can’t play is shallow. Not only did they play a scheme that doesn’t fit their skills (3/4) and have to deal with multiple injuries across the front (Poe’s absence resulted in 50ypg increase rushing). But this was arguably one of the worst years in the recent history of the Carolina Panthers, as they fired their coach mid-season and basically tanked. This has a huuuge impact on the end of year stats. I’m not going to overrule multiple years of good film on both these guys for one bad team statistical season when a generally stable organization undergoes a complete overhaul.

I bet if we had signed McCoy and another of those 4 reported 1T’s there would be no issue. Poe and another well-regraded 3T would’ve been just fine. But don’t let them sign together now we have an issue lol

Get hype, we finally have 2 legit DT’s. A common theme for all Super Bowl teams.

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