Dak benefit of the doubt will be gone with fans

TwentyOne · Mar 28, 2020

Jkyle said:
Dak benefit of the doubt will be gone with fans...

....when he finally ends his carrer.

basel90 · Mar 28, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Oh I see to fit your argument that Prescott never was that one thing to propel the team to victory even though you admitted that there were other problems last season, Prescott should have complete at pass on 3rd or 4th down even though a receiver dropped the pass that was Prescott's fault or on a 3rd or 4th down needing 2 yards Elliott gets stuffed and that's Prescott's fault, or when the Cowboys needed the ball one last time to win the game the defense doesn't stop the other team and the Cowboys finally get ball on their own 10 yard line with no time outs and 38 seconds left needing a TD to win and that's Prescott's fault too. The point is it's so easy to just say Prescott didn't win the game when in reality some other things worked against him. I'm not saying that Prescott didn't miss some plays that could have turned things around, but because of the other shortfalls the Cowboys had very few QB's would have been able to overcome dropped passes, a back not getting 2 yards and a defense not making stops and having to use up all of the timeouts leaving little time to do something 90 yards away.
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Jason was not a great game day coach . However Dak has regressed the last 2 years and is not a top tier QB to make any significant difference in a team that needs a lot of parts to get to a super bowl . Now this overrated QB wants to bankrupt the team . And Jerry might cave in .

Silverstar · Mar 28, 2020

Benefit of the doubt is now gone for Dak as far as I'm concerned. If the Cowboys had made the playoffs somehow, backed in or whatever mathematically things might have been different for Dak. In other words, he would have had a clean slate going into the playoffs from anything the team had done in the past with him at QB. He could have performed admirably and perhaps have got this team back to an NFCCG for the first time in 24 years. By doing that, he would have erased (at least by me) any doubt created by his play and how it affects team success. He would have done something in his era, that QB's in Dallas have been unable to accomplish since Aikman did it back in January 1996. Now, the only way he gets benefit of the doubt from me, is if he leads the Cowboys back to an NFCCG again. Until then, he gets zero, zilch, nada from me.

Fastpitch Dad · Mar 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
Did Romo, Zeke, Dez or Lawrence "meet in the middle" on their deals? Did they do Jerry that solid? So why should Dak? Out of the kindness of his heart?

You know how I feel about Dak, but you are spot on here brother.

He shouldn't take less than what he thinks he can get, I know I always pushed for the max when I was at the advantage at work. It's human nature, whether you make 10 bucks an hour or millions.

And you're right about the criticism, no money is gonna change that. We seen the same with Romo. People either gonna like you or not. Very few seem to change their mind once they have made it up.

I'm on record saying a was upset with Dak for keeping the job when Romo was healthy, not his fault and I still rooted for him. I don't hold that against him now, but still just don't believe he's a game-changer.

No one really knows and only time will tell. I will be rooting for him to prove me wrong.

big dog cowboy · Mar 28, 2020

basel90 said:
However Dak has regressed the last 2 years and is not a top tier QB to make any significant difference in a team that needs a lot of parts to get to a super bowl . Now this overrated QB wants to bankrupt the team . And Jerry might cave in .

Everything I've read said he play keeps improving. That may or may not be true but one thing is. His play definitely hasn't regressed.

Dak's new deal won't bankrupt the team. Not even close. You know that. Why would you make a claim like that?

Typhus · Mar 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
True. But that's sort of my point. If these Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have struggled when they don't have a great team around them......why is Dak or anyone else expected to not do it?

Dak better be expected to do it, you do know he will get payed right?

Buzzbait · Mar 28, 2020

5Stars said:
Romo, Dez are old news, stop the comparison. As for Lawrence and Zeke, I agree, however, that does not mean that Dak has to be that greedy.

Exactly. He doesn't need to answer for anyone else's greed, just his own.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 28, 2020

Fastpitch Dad said:
You know how I feel about Dak, but you are spot on here brother.

He shouldn't take less than what he thinks he can get, I know I always pushed for the max when I was at the advantage at work. It's human nature, whether you make 10 bucks an hour or millions.

And you're right about the criticism, no money is gonna change that. We seen the same with Romo. People either gonna like you or not. Very few seem to change their mind once they have made it up.

I'm on record saying a was upset with Dak for keeping the job when Romo was healthy, not his fault and I still rooted for him. I don't hold that against him now, but still just don't believe he's a game-changer.

No one really knows and only time will tell. I will be rooting for him to prove me wrong.

Respect.

I get what you're saying. I'm a Dak fan but me and you are probably closer in opinion on what Dak is now then you think. I just disagree about his ceiling. I think he's a bit more than a game manager now but I think his ceiling is just as high as Goff and Wentz's...probably higher than Goff's at this point IMO.

If this organization wanted to establish guys getting pay cuts they should've started with Lawrence and Zeke. Instead, they paid them big money then gave Collins and Jaylon big money and then this offseason gave Cooper big money.

So I expect Dak to take a pay cut? For what? He takes a pay cut for the guy behind him who gets signed to be overpaid too? It just makes no sense what people are asking and expecting.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 28, 2020

Typhus said:
Dak better be expected to do it, you do know he will get payed right?

HE better be expected not to have a bad game? History says that's impossible. He will get paid. If not by the Cowboys by someone.

Vagabond · Mar 28, 2020

Jkyle said:
If Dak get's a new contract which pays him like the Top QB's then he won't be given too much margin for error with the fans.
Being a 4th round pick and his ability to right the ship has endured him to the fans. But, now that he will be paid like the top QB's he will be expected to play like one and things that may have been forgiven by fans before won't any more.
It's not that he's overpaid that upsets people, it's the fact that him taking up more and more of the cap space prevents the team from retaining players due to the restraints implemented by the cap.
He will be expected to show that he can carry the team and be the main cog that elevates the team/players to the upper level.
He needs to show that the players he has around him is irrelevant up to a certain point and be able to perform even when he isn't surrounded by top notch players.
Right now he has Zeke, Cooper, and Gallop that are excellent players and help mask a lot of his deficiencies in a lot of instances.
Now, he will be expected to perform even if/when those players go out due to injury.

He’s a second rate QB at best. I’d run his azz off and get a proven QB.

Typhus · Mar 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
HE better be expected not to have a bad game? History says that's impossible. He will get paid. If not by the Cowboys by someone.

You can give a shoulder punch, and you can take one as well, that's why I always like ya man.

Qcard · Mar 28, 2020

Silverstar said:
Benefit of the doubt is now gone for Dak as far as I'm concerned. If the Cowboys had made the playoffs somehow, backed in or whatever mathematically things might have been different for Dak. In other words, he would have had a clean slate going into the playoffs from anything the team had done in the past with him at QB. He could have performed admirably and perhaps have got this team back to an NFCCG for the first time in 24 years. By doing that, he would have erased (at least by me) any doubt created by his play and how it affects team success. He would have done something in his era, that QB's in Dallas have been unable to accomplish since Aikman did it back in January 1996. Now, the only way he gets benefit of the doubt from me, is if he leads the Cowboys back to an NFCCG again. Until then, he gets zero, zilch, nada from me.

I can't stand those that unfairly downgrade Dak BUT your stance is very reasonable and I agree with it completely.

It is the same stance I had with Romo (and Garrett) after 2013 season. NFCCG or bust!!

That is the standard!

Dak has earned the contract and QB1. Cowboys got McCarthy who knows the formula for post season success.

Barring injury, Dak has little to no excuse

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Mar 28, 2020

Vagabond said:
He’s a second rate QB at best. I’d run his azz off and get a proven QB.

There are no proven QB's on the market right now. IMO.

Buzzbait · Mar 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
Did Lawrence, Zeke, Jaylen or Collins do that? Did Cooper do that? They didn't. So you want Dak to do it so they can do what with it? Overpay the next guy? They take his 4 million and overpay whoever is next in line to get overpaid?

Overpaying Dlaw and Zeke was stupid, and overpaying the "next in line" is stupid, so overpaying Dak is no smarter.

DallasEast · Mar 28, 2020

basel90 said:
Jason was not a great game day coach . However Dak has regressed the last 2 years and is not a top tier QB to make any significant difference in a team that needs a lot of parts to get to a super bowl . Now this overrated QB wants to bankrupt the team . And Jerry might cave in .

The team operates under the league's hard salary cap. Dedicating any large slices of the team's salary cap to a few players--like the contracts for Ezekiel Elliott, Amari Cooper and the one anticipated for Dak Prescott--and there will be cross elasticity of demand affecting certain other short- and/or long-term roster talent acquisition. That is a real life contingency for any NFL team and one that Jerry Jones must anticipate but it is certainly not what 'bankrupt' means.

Buzzbait · Mar 28, 2020

LatinMind said:
Would you take 5-10 dollars a hr less at your job?

So the argument has now degraded to the point of trying to compare 5,10, or $20 per hour to mega millions of dollars??? Is there actually a reasonable way to make such a ridiculous comparison? Not hardly!
Dropping from 35 Million dollars a year to 33 mil is absolute WORLDS APART from asking someone who makes $20 an hour to take a $5 - $10 an hour cut.
One is a matter of excessive greed while the other is a matter of survival. There's NO comparison.

DallasEast · Mar 28, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Dak's new deal won't bankrupt the team. Not even close. You know that. Why would you make a claim like that?

I am curious for an explanation too.

Qcard · Mar 28, 2020

DallasEast said:
I am curious for an explanation too.

There is no explanation for this malady.. i.e. unreasonable critic of Dak.

I was all for Romo's return once he was healthy. Honestly in some way I hope Cowboys won inspite of Dak so Romo could take over ....But Dak kept winning, I couldn't argue against Wins!!

Dak Hater's syndrome calcified around mid 2018 just before Cooper arrived. Now they are stuck!

Typhus · Mar 28, 2020

starfan1 said:
Thread too funny. Dak has never got benefit of doubt with a large % of fan base

He did his first 2 yrs in the league..

SteveTheCowboy · Mar 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
Did Romo, Zeke, Dez or Lawrence "meet in the middle" on their deals? Did they do Jerry that solid? So why should Dak? Out of the kindness of his heart?

You just mention the top 5 at their position. (roughly). Over the course of several seasons at least.

Vagabond said:
He’s a second rate QB at best. I’d run his azz off and get a proven QB.

How?

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