Signed by Cowboys Cowboys sign K Greg Zeurlein

john van brocklin · Mar 28, 2020

Kwyn said:
Because he’s guaranteed next to nothing and zuerlein wasn’t a sure thing.

it’s not complicated. At all

Thank you sir

DCBoysfan · Mar 28, 2020

Forbath played well towards the end of last year with us, but he was bad in the games with the Skins I saw, so I like the Greg the leg signing.

ChronicCowboy · Mar 28, 2020

The team clearly rates Zeurlein and probably thought he’d sign for twice the money we got him for. I think the team was fine going into next season with Kai, but once they were presented with an opportunity they took it.

Silverz1972 · Mar 28, 2020

Age and the recent injury is the only concern. This guy can kick.

joseephuss · Mar 28, 2020

Star Guard_31 said:
I don't follow your logic. It seems you're presuming that the rate of failure inevitably goes up with more opportunities, which is perplexing to say the least.

It isn't perplexing at all. It happens to many kickers who are playing 16 games a season on a yearly basis. As they string together years and years and years of consistent playing their failure rate eventually starts to go up. They get hurt, they get more kicks in unfavorable weather conditions, they get asked to try longer kicks, their holder gets replaced mid-season or they face more game winning pressure situations. Part time kickers don't face as many of these same situations. I don't think Forbath maintains his level of accuracy if he had been playing 16 games per season since 2011 when he first tried out for a team.

Beaker42 · Mar 28, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Wait....so they just recently signed Kai Forbath to a 1-year/$1.187M contract and now they sign Zeurlein to a 3-year/$7.5M deal????

Is Dallas going to rotate kickers?????

No, Z-Man is the de facto PK now.

phildadon86 · Mar 28, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
I actually hope Zeurlien is better than Forbath this next year because I am pretty sure with the contract he signed and our new Special Teams coach he will be our kicker, but over the course of their careers Forbath has been the more consistent kicker at putting the ball between the uprights, which is the most important thing a kicker does.

No. He’s been more consistent because he’s had far less chances. And has been bouncing around teams for a while now. Greg the leg is a legitimate kicker who besides last year was second only to Justin tucker. But I bet if we brought tucker in you would say he’s not as good as forbath too so you could bash our front office and pretend to know more than professionals who get paid to live the sport.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

Star Guard_31 said:
I don't follow your logic. It seems you're presuming that the rate of failure inevitably goes up with more opportunities, which is perplexing to say the least.

If Apple sets an acceptable failure rate of three defective iPhones out of 100, it doesn't matter if the factory produced 100 phones in a given day or 1,000. If they remain within tolerance, their defect rate would not exceed 3%. It's not like anybody would reasonably expect or accept that margin to rise simply because they manufactured more phones on Thursday than they did on Wednesday.

Zeurlein and Forbath both have a large enough body of work to provide us with a sufficient sample size to assess their accuracy. It's not like Forbath is a second year player and we're asserting he's more consistently accurate on the basis of a 25 kick rookie season. Both players have kicked well over a 100 times in 80+ games. It's a reasonable sample size to draw a conclusion from.

Logic! Thank you.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

phildadon86 said:
No. He’s been more consistent because he’s had far less chances. And has been bouncing around teams for a while now. Greg the leg is a legitimate kicker who besides last year was second only to Justin tucker. But I bet if we brought tucker in you would say he’s not as good as forbath too so you could bash our front office and pretend to know more than professionals who get paid to live the sport.

Please explain your logic: You say Forbath has has been more consistent because he’s had far less chances. This is nonsensical!!

Also, almost no one thinks Zuerlien is the 2nd best kicker behind Tucker. Tucker is legitimately the best kicker in the league mainly because he makes around 90% of his kicks.
Tucker makes 90%( around )
Forbath makes 86.7%
Zuerlien makes 82%

Also this front office kept Mayer after his poor 2018 season. Most fans thought he should have been released. Most fans were smarter than the front office in this situation. Mayer was the worst kicker in the league last year, accuracy wise, but Jerry, Stephen, and Garrett, liked their shiny toy that could kick, sometimes, really long FG’s, but missed way to many short FG’s.
Also, this front office kept Jason mediocre Garrett for 10 years as their HC, when 95% of Cowboys fans wanted him fired after4-5 years. Who was right? The front office or the fans? You may think Jerry and Stephon are geniuses. I don’t. Hopefully, now they are smart enough to sit back and let a smart football coach run the show and stay out of the way.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

Beaker42 said:
No, Z-Man is the de facto PK now.

Logic again!

Do you think there will be kicking competition between the two kickers? I say NO( stated reasons earlier)
What say you? give your reasons. Thanks.

gimmesix · Mar 28, 2020

Star Guard_31 said:
The only year in Forbath's entire career where he failed to convert at least 80% of his attempts was 2015. The year before that he made 89% of his FGs in a full season with the Commanders, and the year after his one down year he went 15 for 15 for a 100% conversion rate with the Vikings.

80 percent is not the mark of a good kicker.

Zeurlein has been 86 percent or above in four years, including three in a row from 2016 to 2018.

Forbath also has been above 86 percent in four years, but it's been back and forth. Above 2012, 2014, 2016, 2019.

I consider 85 percent or above to be good. Last year, 15 kickers were 85 percent better. In 2018, 23 kickers were 85 or above, but a few of them had only a few attempts.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

Star Guard_31 said:
The only year in Forbath's entire career where he failed to convert at least 80% of his attempts was 2015. The year before that he made 89% of his FGs in a full season with the Commanders, and the year after his one down year he went 15 for 15 for a 100% conversion rate with the Vikings.

Logic again!

Regardless of any slumps Forbath may,or may not have had, his FG accuracy % is still 4.7% higher than Zuerliens! This is more logic that seems difficult for some on this thread.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

gimmesix said:
80 percent is not the mark of a good kicker.

Zeurlein has been 86 percent or above in four years, including three in a row from 2016 to 2018.

Forbath also has been above 86 percent in four years, but it's been back and forth. Above 2012, 2014, 2016, 2019.

I consider 85 percent or above to be good. Last year, 15 kickers were 85 percent better. In 2018, 23 kickers were 85 or above, but a few of them had only a few attempts.

Logical question. Both have played at least 80 games. A large sample size. Who has the best accuracy %, Zuerlien or Forbath?

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
You are the classic case of a guy using a singular stat to try and take the opposite argument just for the heck of it. And using that stat out of context to try and grasp some kind of angle.

Forbath is a part time scrub at the end of his career.

I’m using the MOST important stat kickers are judged on their FG accuracy percentage. How am I using it out of context?

Also, Forbath is a kicker. He’s not very old for a kicker. Why do you say, he’s at the end of his career?

gimmesix · Mar 28, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
Logical question. Both have played at least 80 games. A large sample size. Who has the best accuracy %, Zuerlien or Forbath?

Overall? Forbath. But there are a lot of factors that have to be considered, including recent history. Zeurlein was pretty much a machine from 2016-2018. Was 2019 an aberration? We'll see

Forbath was fantastic on field goals last year, even if it was a relatively low number that he attempted (11). The year before that he made 80 percent, but again he only had a few attempts. so it's hard to really judge him on going 4 of 5. The year before that, he had what would be considered a normal year attemptswise and made 84.2 percent, so he was below average with a heavier workloard. That followed a year like last year where he was 100 percent but had fewer attempts (15). So it's possible he gets worse the more attempts he makes. (The only time that clearly wasn't the case was 2014 when he 27 attempts and made 24, which is almost 89 percent.)

I think just looking at the overall numbers is a terrible way to judge kickers. We need to look for patterns, and the pattern doesn't really favor Forbath.

InTheZone · Mar 28, 2020

If they keep Zeurlein over Forbath this FO is absolutely stupid **. Stupid for letting go of Bailey....in the end to only sign Zeurlein for the same reasons. Stupid for signing Maher, who has proven to suck. then to release him so late in the year. And stupid of signing anyone else when Forbath was perfect for us last year.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Only on a Cowboys forum would fans actually be acting upset that the Cowboys signed Zeurlien. And somehow try to prove that Forbath can hold a candle to Zeurlien.

Your to focused on a good fantasy football kicker. Was Mayer your fantasy kicker last year? You love kickers with big legs. He kicked two 60 yard FG’s last year. You got extra points for that didn’t you? I think like Zuerlien, he missed a lot of shorter ones though.

Captain43Crash · Mar 28, 2020

gimmesix said:
Overall? Forbath. But there are a lot of factors that have to be considered, including recent history. Zeurlein was pretty much a machine from 2016-2018. Was 2019 an aberration? We'll see

Forbath was fantastic on field goals last year, even if it was a relatively low number that he attempted (11). The year before that he made 80 percent, but again he only had a few attempts. so it's hard to really judge him on going 4 of 5. The year before that, he had what would be considered a normal year attemptswise and made 84.2 percent, so he was below average with a heavier workloard. That followed a year like last year where he was 100 percent but had fewer attempts (15). So it's possible he gets worse the more attempts he makes. (The only time that clearly wasn't the case was 2014 when he 27 attempts and made 24, which is almost 89 percent.)

I think just looking at the overall numbers is a terrible way to judge kickers. We need to look for patterns, and the pattern doesn't really favor Forbath.

I think looking at players overall accuracy % is a better way to judge a kicker than looking at patterns, unless it is a recent pattern. Forbath’s recent pattern, the 2019 season, is much better than Zuerlien’s pattern! and his accuracy on FG’s over his career is better too!

gimmesix · Mar 28, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
I think looking at players overall accuracy % is a better way to judge a kicker than looking at patterns, unless it is a recent pattern. Forbath’s recent pattern, the 2019 season, is much better than Zuerlien’s pattern! and his accuracy on FG’s over his career is better too!

I think you are picking what you want to use to support your argument.

I don't really care which kicker wins, but there are some good reasons to believe Zeurlein will unless last year is who he is now. Zeurlein made 84 of 93 (90 percent) from 2016-2018. Forbath made 51 of 58 (87.9) during the same time period. Zeurlein has been the better kicker for a while now while attempting quite a bit more field goals.

If basing who is the better kicker just on last year, you would have to go with Forbath, but there is the caveat that he only had 11 attempts while Zeurlein had 33 (higher the number the kicks, the better chance to hurt your percentage).

Plus, you do have the added advantage that he gives you on kickoffs.

gimmesix · Mar 28, 2020

InTheZone said:
If they keep Zeurlein over Forbath this FO is absolutely stupid **. Stupid for letting go of Bailey....in the end to only sign Zeurlein for the same reasons. Stupid for signing Maher, who has proven to suck. then to release him so late in the year. And stupid of signing anyone else when Forbath was perfect for us last year.

Competition is a great thing. Kickers are notorious for getting the yips, so we can't know who will kick better in camp. Both Forbath and Zeurlein have an opportunity to emerge as Dallas' kicker and there's no reason to dislike that.

A few years ago, we were very happy to have Dan Bailey, then Bailey made 75 percent of his FG attempts a year after slipping to 84 percent. The year we cut him, he also made just 75 percent.

He's bounced back, but there was no way to know that he would. Best thing you can do is prepare yourself in case the kicker you hope to use goes off the rails. When Bailey did, all we had to replace him was Maher, so we kept a kicker who wasn't much better (that year).

Zeurlein and Forbath gives us two who really should be pretty good. That would be a good problem to have over two who aren't.

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