Can we get a first rounder if we trade Dak?

basel90 · Mar 28, 2020

Flamma said:
It's not that we're unlikely to get two, the Cowboys don't want two even if they were offered. As far as I know they're using the exclusive franchise tag on Dak. That means no other team can talk to him. That means they don't even want to risk losing him even for the two first rounders.

That’s the sad reality . Jerry thinks Dak is a keeper .

Flamma · Mar 28, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Doesn't mean they aren't interested in a trade for Dak. Maybe they just don't want to risk getting two *late* first round picks.

You know, you bring up a good point and I was actually thinking about that earlier. But that mindset is highly unlikely. I just don't think that was why they did it. Mainly because late round picks usually belong to teams that already have a good QB. Except for this year. What if the Pats poached him? Not going to happen, but what would we get in return? A 23rd and next year's what? That would definitely suck.

Kwyn · Mar 28, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Jerry can phone any owner or gm he wants to. They can arrange a sign and trade.

Yes, if you want every sports news headline tomorrow to be “Cowboys giving up on Franchise QB Dak Prescott as negotiations fail.”

You can forget all about any deal with Dak at that point. Just look at Cousins in Washington. They still haven’t recovered and have no QB in sight.

You can also expect people in your locker room and around the league to look at the Cowboys with a raised eyebrow because at that point, you’re no longer negotiating in good faith.

There is a reason why teams always have the player and his agent involved in these types of trades (even though they never really happen for QB’s to begin with). Because the player has to be willing to sign a long term deal with the new team. You can’t just ship him off wherever you want.

And why can’t you?

Because he’s not even our player right now. He has no contract. You can’t negotiate a contract if he hasn’t signed the tender and if the player gets wind you’re trying to backdoor him and send him off to Detroit, or god knows where, he will absolutely refuse to sign the tender until after July 15th when the tag is locked in and he can just play out the year and go back into the pool with Mahomes and Watson next year.

What your suggesting just doesn’t work. The scenario is so far fetched as to be impossible.
The CBA and the NFL calendar just don’t allow for it.

Now, if you’re suggesting Jerry call up other GM’s and just shoot the breeze an offer ridiculous what if scenarios like it’s your friendly fantasy football league l, I would suggest that they all have better things to do.

“Hey Lamar. This is Jerry. What do you want for that old boy Pat Mahomes. I think he’d make a great Cowboy”

cant hurt to make the call, right?

DIAF · Mar 28, 2020

no. teams that need a QB are teams that are rebuilding.

Why would a rebuilding team, that needs to stock its shelves with talent, trade a 1st round pick for 1 year of a decent to good QB and have to pay him 27 million or whatever? I don't care how good the QB is. It doesn't make any kind of sense.

So no, Dallas isn't going to be able to get a 1st round pick out of someone for Dak, no matter how good he is.

vnick · Mar 28, 2020

Yes, we could get a first rounder for Dak.

Why would we want to start over with a rookie QB when we don't have to?

Kwyn · Mar 28, 2020

Flamma said:
Good post. I was unaware of #6. But I guess that makes sense. So if a team already had a player under the tag they couldn't trade for Dak after July 15th? Or is that little detail overlooked?

But my main point was, if Dallas was open to the possibility of trading Dak he would have been tagged non exclusive.

Yep - when the Cowboys made the exclusive tender they were absolutely committed to one of two outcomes

Dak plays under the taG
They sign a contract before 7/15

With the market set to explode all over again next year, Cowboy fans who aren’t ready for a full tear down and rebuild better pray that the two parties sign a contract in the next couple of months

We have three years maybe before a full offensive rebuild becomes likely anyway because that’s when we lose Martin, Tyron and Zeke.

“Blow it up” fans need to just be patient. That will come all too soon. Until then we need to do everything we can to win now while we still have a very talented team.

DIAF · Mar 28, 2020

vnick said:
Yes, we could get a first rounder for Dak.

Why would we want to start over with a rookie QB when we don't have to?

A first rounder for 1 year of a guy who will cost a ton of money for that one season and then be off in free agency? No one is going to do that.

basel90 · Mar 28, 2020

Kwyn said:
Yes, if you want every sports news headline tomorrow to be “Cowboys giving up on Franchise QB Dak Prescott as negotiations fail.”

You can forget all about any deal with Dak at that point. Just look at Cousins in Washington. They still haven’t recovered and have no QB in sight.

You can also expect people in your locker room and around the league to look at the Cowboys with a raised eyebrow because at that point, you’re no longer negotiating in good faith.

There is a reason why teams always have the player and his agent involved in these types of trades (even though they never really happen for QB’s to begin with). Because the player has to be willing to sign a long term deal with the new team. You can’t just ship him off wherever you want.

And why can’t you?

Because he’s not even our player right now. He has no contract. You can’t negotiate a contract if he hasn’t signed the tender and if the player gets wind you’re trying to backdoor him and send him off to Detroit, or god knows where, he will absolutely refuse to sign the tender until after July 15th when the tag is locked in and he can just play out the year and go back into the pool with Mahomes and Watson next year.

What your suggesting just doesn’t work. The scenario is so far fetched as to be impossible.
The CBA and the NFL calendar just don’t allow for it.

Now, if you’re suggesting Jerry call up other GM’s and just shoot the breeze an offer ridiculous what if scenarios like it’s your friendly fantasy football league l, I would suggest that they all have better things to do.

“Hey Lamar. This is Jerry. What do you want for that old boy Pat Mahomes. I think he’d make a great Cowboy”

cant hurt to make the call, right?

Valid legal points , and basically the issue here is that Jerry wants to keep Dak and for some reason believes he is a super star . But am sure if Jerry gets a change of heart he can force Dak to play the one year or agree to sign a tender in order to be traded to another team . Hypothetically that can happen .

charron · Mar 28, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Jerry can phone any owner or gm he wants to. They can arrange a sign and trade.

Same thing. Putting Dak on the trading block you also have to allow teams to negotiate a contract. So its basically the same thing as just putting the tender on him and seeing if anyone actually makes an offer. I doubt anyone would.

charron · Mar 28, 2020

Kwyn said:
Too late for that. They already put the exclusive tag on him.

There are a bunch of reasons why QB’s always get the exclusive tag, the main one being they, you know, actually want the player.

This isn’t a situation where you just put some blood bait on your line and hope a big ‘ol catfish swims up from the bottom to take the hook.

Calm down. This whole thread is just a hypothetical question.

Flamma · Mar 28, 2020

Kwyn said:
Yep - when the Cowboys made the exclusive tender they were absolutely committed to one of two outcomes

Dak plays under the taG

They sign a contract before 7/15

With the market set to explode all over again next year, Cowboy fans who aren’t ready for a full tear down and rebuild better pray that the two parties sign a contract in the next couple of months

We have three years maybe before a full offensive rebuild becomes likely anyway because that’s when we lose Martin, Tyron and Zeke.

“Blow it up” fans need to just be patient. That will come all too soon. Until then we need to do everything we can to win now while we still have a very talented team.

That's exactly what's going to happen. I don't feel bad for Jerry. But I'd like to see the look on his face when he opens up that Swiss account if Dak just happens to play well under the tag. We'll see what he chooses to do.

Kwyn · Mar 28, 2020

basel90 said:
Valid legal points , and basically the issue here is that Jerry wants to keep Dak and for some reason believes he is a super star . But am sure if Jerry gets a change of heart he can force Dak to play the one year or agree to sign a tender in order to be traded to another team . Hypothetically that can happen .

Oh, Dak will play for the tender. He’s waited 5 years to actually make some real NFL money, o he’s going to get his 30m on the tag. Jerry won’t have to convince him.

Dak is fine playing for the tag. It benefits him. Even if he has a down year, he would still be the lines up for the third. Ingest contract after Mahomes and Watson sign next year and it will be even more than he could sign folk for now

if they tag him again, the second, and final, tag will be like 40mplus. At that point he would have gotten 70m for two years and be a straight up unrestricted free agent.

the only way this doesn’t work out for Dak and even then, unless it’s career ending, someone will pay him.

Ow boys will end up giving him 35m and 4 years just like he wants.

buybuydandavis · Mar 28, 2020

vnick said:
Yes, we could get a first rounder for Dak.

Why would we want to start over with a rookie QB when we don't have to?

They cost a lot less and their contracts aren't negotiated.

basel90 · Mar 29, 2020

Kwyn said:
Oh, Dak will play for the tender. He’s waited 5 years to actually make some real NFL money, o he’s going to get his 30m on the tag. Jerry won’t have to convince him.

Dak is fine playing for the tag. It benefits him. Even if he has a down year, he would still be the lines up for the third. Ingest contract after Mahomes and Watson sign next year and it will be even more than he could sign folk for now

if they tag him again, the second, and final, tag will be like 40mplus. At that point he would have gotten 70m for two years and be a straight up unrestricted free agent.

the only way this doesn’t work out for Dak and even then, unless it’s career ending, someone will pay him.

Ow boys will end up giving him 35m and 4 years just like he wants.

Very likely , I still believe it is a waste . He is just not the right caliber to take the cowboys to a super bowl . If dallas had a stellar defense , then a mediocre QB like Dak can drive the bus . But am afraid he is too inaccurate and too slow to read defenses for such an accomplishment.

vnick · Mar 29, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
They cost a lot less and their contracts aren't negotiated.

And we have no idea how they will perform. It's a gamble that I don't think we should take.

I doubt we get a first rounder high enough to take Burrow. Maybe we could get one to take Tua or Hebert, but while I think both will be good- neither are sure things. But if the first rounder isn't high enough for those three, it's not worth the uncertainty.

basel90 · Mar 29, 2020

Kwyn said:
Oh, Dak will play for the tender. He’s waited 5 years to actually make some real NFL money, o he’s going to get his 30m on the tag. Jerry won’t have to convince him.

Dak is fine playing for the tag. It benefits him. Even if he has a down year, he would still be the lines up for the third. Ingest contract after Mahomes and Watson sign next year and it will be even more than he could sign folk for now

if they tag him again, the second, and final, tag will be like 40mplus. At that point he would have gotten 70m for two years and be a straight up unrestricted free agent.

the only way this doesn’t work out for Dak and even then, unless it’s career ending, someone will pay him.

Ow boys will end up giving him 35m and 4 years just like he wants.

Yes agree . Another cave in by Jerry is imminent . And the long wait for a super bowl will continue .

Kwyn · Mar 29, 2020

basel90 said:
Yes agree . Another cave in by Jerry is imminent . And the long wait for a super bowl will continue .

I guess I’m a glass half full kind of guy. I like the Dallas Cowboys and I root for them.

We have a chance to secure a quality starting QB for the next several years, certainly long enough to see us through until it may be necessary to rebuild.

During that period we have a good roster that has a better chance then most to be successful. We also have an entirely new coaching staff to help maximize that talent and put us in a position to succeed.

Or we could just blow it up.

It’s really kind of sad thst so many of us have turned our backs on the team and seem to take more pleasure in their failures than in their success..

It’s kind of sad.

basel90 · Mar 29, 2020

Kwyn said:
I guess I’m a glass half full kind of guy. I like the Dallas Cowboys and I root for them.

We have a chance to secure a quality starting QB for the next several years, certainly long enough to see us through until it may be necessary to rebuild.

During that period we have a good roster that has a better chance then most to be successful. We also have an entirely new coaching staff to help maximize that talent and put us in a position to succeed.

Or we could just blow it up.

It’s really kind of sad thst so many of us have turned our backs on the team and seem to take more pleasure in their failures than in their success..

It’s kind of sad.

Hope we get pleasantly surprised by the front office and coaches . There is always hope . Go Cowboys

TwentyOne · Mar 29, 2020

hittheskids said:
Why would we trade for one when we could transition tag him and possibly get two.

Not gonna happen though.

The question was if we can get even 1 first rounder. Doesnt matter gow to get it.

Can we get a first rounder if we trade Dak?

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