News: Good article/study on teams' success with high priced qb

kskboys · Mar 28, 2020

817Gill said:
Good post and I wish fans would understand that each SB winner is different and the circumstances in which they achieved that championship is unique to each team. Some teams have a rookie deal QB and some teams have a mid-tier vet. Some teams have a top paid pro-bowl guy, some teams have a bus driver who manages the game.

It’s all about taking your unique organizational circumstances and making the choices that fit you the best. At the end of the day, Dak’s deal won’t take away our draft picks or change our FA strategy at all. It’s just a matter of making the correct decisions in totality more often than not.

If the coaching improves the way we think, Dak keeps improving the way he has, and we draft well while making smart FA decisions; this roster will be more than good enough to compete. Dak’s deal doesn’t necessarily make it harder to win a SB, it just changes the way we go about it.

No, no super bowl winners have had a top paid pro-bowl guy.

817Gill · Mar 28, 2020

kskboys said:
No, no super bowl winners have had a top paid pro-bowl guy.

Eli Manning twice, Brady 2010

Qcard · Mar 28, 2020

DIAF said:
"What has Dak ever done to be considered a good QB?? By the way, I won't accept any typical measures used to determine whether a QB is good or not. Checkmate, jerks! "

lol.

like I said Dak Hater's exist on an alternate universe

morat1959 · Mar 28, 2020

DIAF said:
"What has Dak ever done to be considered a good QB?? By the way, I won't accept any typical measures used to determine whether a QB is good or not. Checkmate, jerks! "

lol.

Still waiting.

DIAF · Mar 29, 2020

morat1959 said:
Still waiting.

Considering you've dismissed literally every piece of evidence there is to measure QBs, no one thinks its worth engaging with you except maybe to ridicule, which your post deserves. I don't think Dak is elite or anything, but he's definitely in the top 15 of NFL QBs and I am more than happy with that, considering the price it takes to acquire and develop top QB talent and even then have it be kind of a crapshoot.

TwistedL0g1k · Mar 29, 2020

InTheZone said:
I can name several QBs where I don't remember the last time they missed the playoffs. How exactly is Dak a winning qb and how does offering him a ridiculous contract better our situation?

To be clear, my comment had nothing to do with Dak.

The article's correlation contention was a silly "chicken and egg" argument, as wining QB's will naturally earn more on average.

I do share your fear of paying a good but not great QB elite money.

Nav22 · Mar 29, 2020

morat1959 said:
What has Dak done to be considered a top tier QB? Fantasy #s and garbage time stats don’t count.

2nd-most wins in the NFL since 2016.

4th-best QBR in 2019.

“DURRRR ummmm no...uh, them don’t count neither!!!”
:lmao2:

Nav22 · Mar 29, 2020

InTheZone said:
I can name several QBs where I don't remember the last time they missed the playoffs. How exactly is Dak a winning qb and how does offering him a ridiculous contract better our situation?

Name them.

I’ll start you off: Tom Brady.

Go ahead. Name the others.

We’re all ears. Don’t be a coward and backtrack now!!!!!
:thumbup:

jterrell · Mar 29, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
the article points out the % of cap a qb salary takes up. tops is 13%
Now I wonder if that cap % is based on one year, or the average cap hit based on length of each contract.
lets say we look at current cap % avg for qb like R, wilson, at 33 mil would be over that 13% mark.
more like 14% and if dak gets 38 mil would be probably close to 18% .

Anything over 12% means no one has ever won sb with qb over 12%.
However now I question those figures, because I dont know if it is based on 1 year , or whole contract avg.

If right though anything over 25 mil per year is too much.

This article is flawed in that it is including just making the playoffs, as a good thing or successful.
and we should all know that just making the playoffs is not success, it is better than not making playoffs, but to be
successful a team should also have the 12-4 record or better, maybe a bye, and at least get to the conf champ game or SB.

So many flaws in your thinking here.
1. The QB salary cap hit in a particular salary cap year is the proper measure. That is the % used here.
2. Making the playoffs is job 1 and every team has that as a goal. It is a legit marker that is consistent and achievable. Being in the top 12 of 32 teams is meaningful.
3. 12-4 means jack squat as the post-season resets to 1 game elimination tourney,
4. Conf champ game is 4 teams per year, SB is 2. Those would so few there would be no study to draw from.

None of this is surprising to anyone with a brain.
You win in this league with plus QB play.
Maybe you can trick that up a year or 2 with gimmick offense/qb fit but generally you are going to simply have to pay for it with either elite draft picks(they hit less than 25% of the time) or pay for it or both.

DAL got lucky with Dak. They have used that luck up and now they must the pay the guy.

jterrell · Mar 29, 2020

InTheZone said:
I can name several QBs where I don't remember the last time they missed the playoffs. How exactly is Dak a winning qb and how does offering him a ridiculous contract better our situation?

Your bad memory shoudn't be something to celebrate.
Every QB outside Brady has missed the playoffs recently or started going recently.
But yea let's play name a QB so we can improve your memory.

doomsday9084 · Mar 29, 2020

As is noted, having a good QB is better than having a bad QB. Having a good QB on a value contract is better than having a good QB on a huge contract, which is why most of the teams to win a superbowl in the cap era were set up like that.

Personally, I would just try to get Dak on a deal with a minimum cap hit for 2-3 years. Give him a ridiculous signing bonus or something so that the cap hit is deferred. Keep him and try to win over that period and then when everyone is done (Zeke, Tank, the Oline, etc.), just trade him, take the cap hit and try to rebuild.

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