This Draft Will Be About The Scouts

Chocolate Lab said:

I don't know, McCarthy probably had more time sitting at his house all day last year to watch these college players than he ever would coaching an NFL season.

And I wonder how valuable these face-to-face interviews are anyway. These guys are so well-coached and rehearsed anymore, I'm not sure I'd trust what they say. A Skype session might be plenty to reveal if there's something about a player's personality you simply can't stand.

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I think McCarthy will have plenty of input he has been gearing up for this since not being Coach of the Pack. He is wanting to prove himself.

I wonder league wide if this will end up with more surprises/reaches or less than normal.

ultron said:

Whoever has been making the ultimate decision on who to draft for the Cowboys over the last decade+ has done a damn good job.

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Yep, killing it!

KingintheNorth said:

Yep, killing it!

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You can’t use 2 picks out of a decade as benchmark for failure.

We've draft well on the offensive side of the ball. Some of our defensive picks haven't panned out too good. Failing to play with consistency on the defensive side of the ball has plagued this team for years. So hopefully we hit a couple of homeruns in this draft for our defense.

Coaching staff explains the type of players they need for their system. >>>

Scouts identify players that fit and compile board. >>>

McCarthy, McClay, Stephen and Jerry finalize pick. There is not solely one guy to run the show here. They'll operate as a collaborative brain trust.

KingintheNorth said:

Yep, killing it!

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I wish there was a downvote option on this forum, I’m over the dumb shlt

ultron said:

I wish there was a downvote option on this forum, I’m over the dumb shlt

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click on the name and then click ignore.

phildadon86 said:

You can’t use 2 picks out of a decade as benchmark for failure.

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2 fairly significant picks.

KingintheNorth said:

2 fairly significant picks.

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Significant? One was picked in the 20s and the other in the mid second round. How in anyway are those more significant than Frederick or Dak in the fourth? Lol

OmerV said:

I'm sure they have studied the film of the Senior Bowl.

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yeh, if that's convienient for them, not much choice except game film.

but i've heard personnel guys say their team prosper and get that much more of a feel for player evaluations
when their own coaches can get more of a feel and evaluation from players close and upfront - much like when the late Wade Wilson
met several times with Dak Prescott.

Of course, we ... nor any NFL teams will have that luxury or convenient this year per national pandemic crisis.
So yes, more than ever, everybody is gonna have to rely heavily on their scouting and personnel teams than ever before.

Be interested to see if there will be interesting read articles and video podcast interviews from the likes of McClay or Chris Hall (one of McClay's lead scouts)
that could give some input on how they will conduct their evaluations and build their grades and boards without the aid of private visits this year.

Risen Star said:

It'll be the Will McClay show like any other year.

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yes, it will .
Do you trust McClay in working his show ?

phildadon86 said:

You can’t use 2 picks out of a decade as benchmark for failure.

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2010 draft
1 24 Dez Bryant, WR Oklahoma State
2 55 Sean Lee, LB Penn State
4 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, DB Indiana (PA)
6 179 Sam Young, OT Notre Dame
6 196 Jamar Wall, DB Texas Tech
7 234 Sean Lissemore, DT William & Mary
Love Dez but according to many here, he was never any good.
Only 1 player still on roster (Sean Lee)
Akwasi Owusi-Ansah was our annual clever pick that never paid off.

2011 draft
1 9 Tyron Smith, OT Southern California
2 40 Bruce Carter, LB North Carolina
3 71 DeMarco Murray, RB Oklahoma
4 110 David Arkin, OG Missouri State
5 143 Josh Thomas, DB Buffalo
6 176 Dwayne Harris, WR East Carolina
7 220 Shaun Chapas, RB Georgia
7 252 Bill Nagy, OG Wisconsin
Tyron was a great pick.
Carter was an injury gamble.
Murray was a great pick.
Arkin annual clever pick.
Harris was a very good late round pick.
Nagy never started a game in college and was a day on starter for Cowboys. Says a lot about Cowboys roster. He was bullied and out of the league in a few years.

2012 draft
1 6 Morris Claiborne, DB Louisiana State
3 81 Tyrone Crawford, DE Boise State
4 113 Kyle Wilber, LB Wake Forest
4 135 Matt Johnson, DB Eastern Washington
5 152 Danny Coale, WR Virginia Tech
6 186 James Hanna, TE Oklahoma
7 222 Caleb McSurdy, LB Montana
Claiborne was a silly gamble. Cost us a 2nd round pick. Team had never spoke with him.
Johnson annual clever pick.
Hanna was decent.

2013 draft
1 31 Travis Frederick, C Wisconsin
2 47 Gavin Escobar, TE San Diego State
3 74 Terrance Williams, WR Baylor
3 80 J.J. Wilcox, DB Georgia Southern
4 114 B.W. Webb, DB William & Mary
5 151 Joseph Randle, RB Oklahoma State
6 185 DeVonte Holloman, LB South Carolina
Every player out of the league now. Wilcox may still be hanging around. Frederick was a good pick, unfortunate circumstances.
Terrance Williams over Keen Allen was brutal.

2014 draft
1 16 Zack Martin, OT Notre Dame
2 34 Demarcus Lawrence, DE Boise State DE Boise State
4 119 Anthony Hitchens, LB Iowa LB Iowa
5 146 Devin Street, WR Pittsburgh
7 231 Ben Gardner, DE Stanford
7 238 Will Smith, LB Texas Tech
7 248 Ahmad Dixon, DB Baylor
7 251 Ken Bishop, DT Northern Illinois
7 254 Terrance Mitchell, DB Oregon
Great first 3 picks even though Jerry tried his best to draft Manziel over Zack Martin. 5th round and later all nobodies and out of the league.

2015 draft
1 27 Byron Jones, DB Connecticut
2 60 Randy Gregory, LB Nebraska
3 91 Chaz Green, OT Florida
4 127 Damien Wilson, LB Minnesota
5 163 Ryan Russell, DE Purdue
7 236 Mark Nzeocha, LB Wyoming
7 243 Laurence Gibson, OT Virginia Tech
7 246 Geoff Swaim, TE Texas
Jones was a great pick.
Gregory was gamble and has missed way more games than he has contributed.
Wilson solid and won a ring with the Chiefs.
Swaim was overrated by most here IMO.

2016 draft
1 4 Ezekiel Elliott, RB Ohio State
2 34 Jaylon Smith, LB Notre Dame
3 67 Maliek Collins, DT Nebraska
4 101 Charles Tapper, DE Oklahoma
4 135 Dak Prescott, QB Mississippi State
6 189 Anthony Brown, DB Purdue
6 212 Kavon Frazier, DB Central Michigan
6 216 Darius Jackson, RB Eastern Michigan
6 217 Rico Gathers, TE Baylor
Zeke is a talent but the league had shifted from putting that kind of value on RBs.
Jaylon Smith was a huge injury risk and many here still think he can't play ( I like him but admit he can disappear).
Tapper was a bad pick.
Dak was pure luck (our 4th choice at QB that year).
Anthony Brown seriously overrated by this team and fanbase.

2017 draft
1 28 Taco Charlton, DE Michigan
2 60 Chidobe Awuzie, DB Colorado
3 92 Jourdan Lewis, DB Michigan
4 133 Ryan Switzer, WR North Carolina
6 191 Xavier Woods, DB Louisiana Tech
6 216 Marquez White, DB Florida State
7 228 Joey Ivie, DT Florida
7 239 Noah Brown, WR Ohio State
7 246 Jordan Carrell, DT
Taco over Watt debacle. Cut two years later with no compensation.
Awuzie is solid, big year for him.
Lewis seems like a talent but was in previous staff's doghouse.
Woods overrated by team/fan base.
Ivie and Carrell were Marinelli specials slash never-was's.

Colorado
2018 draft
1 19 Leighton Vander Esch, LB Boise State
2 50 Connor Williams, OG Texas
3 81 Michael Gallup, WR Colorado State
4 116 Dorance Armstrong, DE Kansas
4 137 Dalton Schultz, TE Stanford
5 171 Mike White, QB Western Kentucky
6 193 Chris Covington, LB Indiana
6 208 Cedrick Wilson, WR Boise State
7 236 Bo Scarbrough, RB Alabama
Love LVE, but if rumors of medical flags having him off other teams's boards is true, then shame on this team. Hopefully he's healthy and can play like he did in 2018.
Gallup was an amazing pick.
Rest are JAG's, hopefully Connor Williams can improve. Mike White was a really bad pick and is now out of the league.

2019 draft
2 58 Trysten Hill, DT Central Florida
3 90 Connor McGovern, OG Penn State
4 128 Tony Pollard, RB Memphis
5 158 Michael Jackson, DB Miami
5 165 Joe Jackson, DE Miami
6 213 Donovan Wilson, DB Texas A&M
7 218 Mike Weber, RB Ohio State
7 241 Jalen Jelks, DE Oregon
Outside of Pollard, very little if any contributions from this class.
Michael Jackson cut already.
I'm personally still hopeful for Donovan Wilson and Jalen Jelks.

phildadon86 said:

Significant? One was picked in the 20s and the other in the mid second round. How in anyway are those more significant than Frederick or Dak in the fourth? Lol

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Absolute luck pick. The team wanted Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook over him and tried to get both. Wanted to start Kellen Moore over him but Kellen broke his leg. Then, tried to sign Nick Foles, but he chose to be a back-up in Kansas City over starting for Dallas.

I'm thrilled Dak worked out but it's insane to act like it was planned.

fivetwos said:

I'm personally quite concerned that Jerry wasnt in the stands at Mobile with his mesh ball cap and clipboard.

He has put together several Super Bowl winning teams and not having his input as far as the draft picks is a disadvantage to the organization.

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And the stopwatch that he likes hanging from his neck, like he's actually doing "scout" things..

Corso said:

And the stopwatch the he likes, hanging from his neck, like he's actually doing "scout" things..

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Crap I missed that part.

Made me absolutely sick.

fivetwos said:

Crap I missed that part.

Made me absolutely sick.

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Mark this down! 1985 draft, I was begging the Cowboys to draft Rice and the Niners jumped them. And Dallas picked 17th!. Watch SF grab Lamb and Philly trade up in front of Dallas to punk them.
I know we want DEFENSE but that doesn't really matter anymore in this day and age; sacks mean nothing. Philly will jump Dallas for sure. And SF will take Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs. If SF takes Lamb they will be in the Super Bowl again.
Stuck with Epenesa, Matos, Fulton, etc.
Lamb is the best prospect for Dallas. I know we want CB's and safety's but Lamb is a game changer.

RodeoJake said:

MM did say they would draft for talent instead of drafting for fit. That being the case, I don't see a need to have much input from coaches.

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Most teams tier player, so the talent pool available when we pick could be one player from a higher tier or several players from the tier available. If it comes down to multiple players, I have no problem with coaches giving their perspective.

Plankton said:

For the Cowboys this year, I don't think that the new coaching staff is going to have a huge impact on the draft. If you remember, McCarthy and staff didn't go to the Senior Bowl this year, but did have some presence at the Combine. As they aren't able to do the in person visits that normally happen (will have to be done over video conference or Facetime), and missed a significant event to see personnel in person as well as speak with them, I think that this draft will largely be one driven by the scouts. The staff has provided their positional prototypes, but I think that their overall knowledge of the players will be much less than in past and future years.

It should be interesting to see the dynamic at play. I am of a belief that the scouts voices should be louder than the coaches to begin with due to their superior knowledge of the players.

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Im not sure I agree with this one. Only think they cant do is actually sit down with the guy. Which can throw you off anyway. They can do teleconferences and watching tape is the most important thing.

The coaching staff will be even more involved as I dont think Garrett was all that involved anyway.

Skybox22 said:

Mark this down! 1985 draft, I was begging the Cowboys to draft Rice and the Niners jumped them. And Dallas picked 17th!. Watch SF grab Lamb and Philly trade up in front of Dallas to punk them.
I know we want DEFENSE but that doesn't really matter anymore in this day and age; sacks mean nothing. Philly will jump Dallas for sure. And SF will take Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs. If SF takes Lamb they will be in the Super Bowl again.
Stuck with Epenesa, Matos, Fulton, etc.
Lamb is the best prospect for Dallas. I know we want CB's and safety's but Lamb is a game changer.

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Sounds fine, but you cant go trading up for Lamb.

Have to get lucky and have him fall. Have a gut feeling Lamb goes in top 10, Ruggs next, and theres a shot Jeudy falls to 17.