Finishing up this year's fa class-DE,WR,SS

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There were rumblings that they were involved in trying to land Von Bell, this was after Dix was signed.

I’ve only seen that from one unreliable source. I was a big fan of Bell so that would make me angry if we had a shot at him
 

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Why wouldn't Clowney be an option? He's the best player available, and they have more than enough cap space.

They really don't have that much cap space if you're talking about paying Clowney around $15 million. They only have $20 million and they need some of that to pay the rookies and fill out the roster.
 

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They really don't have that much cap space if you're talking about paying Clowney around $15 million. They only have $20 million and they need some of that to pay the rookies and fill out the roster.
Dak's contract and a couple restructures gives them a TON of space. They can do whatever they want.
 

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Stephen Jones always says, the Cowboys like to fill all needs via fa so they organization can draft the best player available. As we all know, since he has taken charge, minimum short-term placeholders are signed then the team drafts best player at a need position.

What positions are still needed to fill?

1) RDE-team lost Robert Quinn, Ty Crawford is coming back from injury on both his hips and Randy Gregory still is on indefinite suspension. Sure. some prospects are still on the roster, but nobody can be counted on. Griffen, Vernon, Golden are some of the names of interest out there. Clowney will not be an option.

2) Slot #3 WR-surprisingly the team lost Randall Cobb, very few thought he would double his salary on the open market. You would think the team would like to add a veteran to protect themselves. Gabriel, Richardson, Amedola could all be had for a 1 yr deal.

3) Strong Safety-both the team's projected starters are more coverage safeties then they are strong tackling in the box types. Wilson is the only true strong safety they have on their roster, depth and competition is needed. Jefferson, R. Jones, Burnett all fill the bill as low level signees at the position.


1) RDE
2) CB
3) DT
4) WR
5) S

Between CB and RDE, i really feel out first two draft picks are gonna be directed there. pass rushers and coverage CBs are still very much in demand and
difficult to hit home with, as other teams swoop them up with da quickness.

- i dunno what 3 tech will be high on the Cowboys value board and what round do they value them at, but should they feel that high about them, i can't
get mad about that either. We do need heir apparent as McCoy and Poe are more stop gap answers and we just dunno what we have in Hill who still has
to learn the game.

- BTW, I'm actually on board with the Cowboys draft philosophy with DTs and safeties, i'd only be interested in a DT if he presents legit pass rash traits ,,
and only draft a safety in first round if we believe he grades out as a blue chipper. (ala Gerwin James)

- With Cobb's departure and no vet immediate replacement brought in, that 3rd WR role is gonna be more prominent to acquire in the draft than ever,
Maybe there will be a late round trade for a vet the closer we get to the draft, but if not we'll likely have to at least address it between 3rd or 4th rd pick.
for a really good one - and hopefully he's a returner as well. Frankly with our dire defensive needs, i'd really prefer not to spend a 3rd-4th rounder on
a slot guy, but it appears Cowboys prefer a early draft pick over trying to get a Taylor Gabriel, etc.

- We tend to continue to ignore or have only such minimal interest in investing in the safety position...imo.
The highest it has been is with the Earl Thomas flirtation with a failed trade with Seattle and mysteriously we don't even try to pursue him
in FA when it wouldn't cost any high picks at all.
As soon as FA period happens, we tend to get into this Money Ball approach, and Stephen wanna pretend he's Brad Pitt (Billy Beane)
Could it have been different last year with supposedly Juan Thornhill on the books to choose between he and Trysten Hill.
Expect Cowboys to continue to have minimal regards in this year's draft as well and go with holdovers Xavier and stopgap Ha Ha Dix.
 

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Starting the third week of free agency so I do expect that we will see Dallas active on a few one year deals at minimum contracts. Also think it will be in the CB, WR, Edge, and OL areas. Maybe not many guys but two or three. What I wouldn't mind seeing.

CB
Logan Ryan - played well at Tennessee but supposedly looking for $7/8 million a year which is probably more than Dallas wants to pay
Daryl Worley - played well at Las Vegas/Oakland, has had off field issue couple of years ago, young, could be a nice signing and probably way cheaper than Ryan
* With this apparently one of our top needs then we might not see a signing unless it is really team friendly

WR
Rashard Higgins - seems to have some upside and should be a good slot and stretch the field guy
Paul Richardson - really same type of guy as Higgins, either would be okay and cheap
* Really think with the deep WR draft class that odds of signing another WR are pretty slim

EDGE
Markus Golden - listed by some as a LB but really is a DE, has good rotational value and can make plays, money should be team friendly
Everson Griffin - many like him but he really is looking for $10+ million a year and again don't see Dallas biting
Jadeveon Clowney - sure it would be nice but he wants $20 million a year and Dallas isn't going there
Kamalei Correa - actually probably the cheapest of the bunch, rotation player and from Boise St so there that

OL
Ron Leary - brings him back as insurance is probably the only way I see it

Then again, Dallas may be happy staying put until the draft although that isn't the usual MO.
 

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1) RDE - Gregory may be reinstated by the time the draft rolls around. Even if he's not, I expect them to be penciling him in as the starter. With Gregory at minimum a strong possibility of coming back, I don't see them spending a high pick on RDE.

2) Given the need for a WR #3 this year, and a replacement for Gallup in 2022, they avail themselves of a strong WR draft class with a pick in the 3rd or 4th. They shouldn't stop there. They should also bring in a vet true wideout to back up the starters.

3) Low level SS veteran signing does make sense. But it always does and rarely seems to happen, unless we're talking a vet min type guys. But will defensive philosophy change with McCarthy to value SS more, and pick one high? Maybe pick a FS, and move Dix to SS.

1) For a guy that has never been a starter, still has not ever been in a full time off season program to physically developed properly, i would
consider it desperate going with Gregory as a full timer vs continue developing in vs being a rotational guy to start the season.
Thats' why it would be perfect to have an aging stop gap Vikes' FA Everson Griffen as a starter.. while Gregory spells and subs in shared reps/snaps.
i wouldn't like throwing him in the waters full time. But i certainly do not want Crawford starting at DE either. Frankly i don't like TC in at DE at all.
But i do see your point in it could be actually be a Cowboys thinking of Gregory's' return and new CBA making it easier to bypass DE.

2) Er, this i don't get. ..why draft and develop a Gallup for the thinking of replacing a Gallup ? Why else is the use of drafting him in the first place if we need to
think about replacing him even when he's developed into a quite nicely No. 2 WR ? If anything we add to the void of a 3rd WR, and add quality depth should
a Cooper or Gallup is injured. In a WR rich draft, this is where we should be addressing such voids.

3) A low level SS signing, means kicking the can down the road and choosing to risk average- JAG like play that tends to continue to be our safety play.
If you want to invest in much better, difference making safety, you will need to invest in picking high for it, or pay out handsomely in acquiring it in FA.
Some may think it's not a position in demand in today's era, but this remains one of the toughest positions to acquire a top flight safety.
Also i think Dix is more of a center field FS than a SS, and his tackling, like Xavier can be in the so-so average range, ,,so i wonder how that's gonna play
out with that duo pair.
 

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Stephen Jones always says, the Cowboys like to fill all needs via fa so they organization can draft the best player available. As we all know, since he has taken charge, minimum short-term placeholders are signed then the team drafts best player at a need position.

What positions are still needed to fill?

1) RDE-team lost Robert Quinn, Ty Crawford is coming back from injury on both his hips and Randy Gregory still is on indefinite suspension. Sure. some prospects are still on the roster, but nobody can be counted on. Griffen, Vernon, Golden are some of the names of interest out there. Clowney will not be an option.

2) Slot #3 WR-surprisingly the team lost Randall Cobb, very few thought he would double his salary on the open market. You would think the team would like to add a veteran to protect themselves. Gabriel, Richardson, Amedola could all be had for a 1 yr deal.

3) Strong Safety-both the team's projected starters are more coverage safeties then they are strong tackling in the box types. Wilson is the only true strong safety they have on their roster, depth and competition is needed. Jefferson, R. Jones, Burnett all fill the bill as low level signees at the position.
Carol to Negan... “What took you so long?”
 

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1) RDE
2) CB
3) DT
4) WR
5) S

Between CB and RDE, i really feel out first two draft picks are gonna be directed there. pass rushers and coverage CBs are still very much in demand and
difficult to hit home with, as other teams swoop them up with da quickness.-I agree.

- i dunno what 3 tech will be high on the Cowboys value board and what round do they value them at, but should they feel that high about them, i can't
get mad about that either. We do need heir apparent as McCoy and Poe are more stop gap answers and we just dunno what we have in Hill who still has
to learn the game.-they invested a 2nd rd pick in Hill, they will continue to develop him. I believe the front office wants to find another player like Crawford, one who can play multiple spots. 2 Names to watch; Marlon Davidson, Curtis Weaver fit that mold.

- BTW, I'm actually on board with the Cowboys draft philosophy with DTs and safeties, i'd only be interested in a DT if he presents legit pass rash traits ,,
and only draft a safety in first round if we believe he grades out as a blue chipper. (ala Gerwin James)-I've changed my coarse regarding McKinney. Yes, he's more of a strong safety, but has strong coverage abilities and can play multiple roles. I don't see a legitimate SS on the current roster.

- With Cobb's departure and no vet immediate replacement brought in, that 3rd WR role is gonna be more prominent to acquire in the draft than ever,
Maybe there will be a late round trade for a vet the closer we get to the draft, but if not we'll likely have to at least address it between 3rd or 4th rd pick.
for a really good one - and hopefully he's a returner as well. Frankly with our dire defensive needs, i'd really prefer not to spend a 3rd-4th rounder on
a slot guy, but it appears Cowboys prefer a early draft pick over trying to get a Taylor Gabriel, etc.-the name to circle is Lynn Bowden Jr. Many claim he is the next Randall Cobb, came from the same school. He is a jack of all trades, actually player QB this yr. Has special teams return experience. I believe with this deep class, he is more of a 4th-5th rd prospect. I would like to add him along with another WR or TE with some size.

- We tend to continue to ignore or have only such minimal interest in investing in the safety position...imo.
The highest it has been is with the Earl Thomas flirtation with a failed trade with Seattle and mysteriously we don't even try to pursue him
in FA when it wouldn't cost any high picks at all.
As soon as FA period happens, we tend to get into this Money Ball approach, and Stephen wanna pretend he's Brad Pitt (Billy Beane)
Could it have been different last year with supposedly Juan Thornhill on the books to choose between he and Trysten Hill.
Expect Cowboys to continue to have minimal regards in this year's draft as well and go with holdovers Xavier and stopgap Ha Ha Dix.
-the Packers while MM was there invested in high level safeties. I believe Burnett was drafted a little after Sean Lee. He is another type of strong safety who played multiple roles for their defense. Randall was a safety that they drafted in the 1st rd.
 

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Starting the third week of free agency so I do expect that we will see Dallas active on a few one year deals at minimum contracts. Also think it will be in the CB, WR, Edge, and OL areas. Maybe not many guys but two or three. What I wouldn't mind seeing.

CB
Logan Ryan - played well at Tennessee but supposedly looking for $7/8 million a year which is probably more than Dallas wants to pay
Daryl Worley - played well at Las Vegas/Oakland, has had off field issue couple of years ago, young, could be a nice signing and probably way cheaper than Ryan
* With this apparently one of our top needs then we might not see a signing unless it is really team friendly

WR
Rashard Higgins - seems to have some upside and should be a good slot and stretch the field guy
Paul Richardson - really same type of guy as Higgins, either would be okay and cheap
* Really think with the deep WR draft class that odds of signing another WR are pretty slim

EDGE
Markus Golden - listed by some as a LB but really is a DE, has good rotational value and can make plays, money should be team friendly
Everson Griffin - many like him but he really is looking for $10+ million a year and again don't see Dallas biting
Jadeveon Clowney - sure it would be nice but he wants $20 million a year and Dallas isn't going there
Kamalei Correa - actually probably the cheapest of the bunch, rotation player and from Boise St so there that

OL
Ron Leary - brings him back as insurance is probably the only way I see it

Then again, Dallas may be happy staying put until the draft although that isn't the usual MO.

-My understanding Logan Ryan is best used as a slot CB. Not paying big bucks for a inside CB.
-Vernon is another DE who could be had for cheap, has had injury issues, but could be a nice player to take a flyer on
 

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Dak's contract and a couple restructures gives them a TON of space. They can do whatever they want.

No guarantee they can get Dak's contract done and I don't think restructuring is a good idea (especially to just get Clowney for one year).
 

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No guarantee they can get Dak's contract done and I don't think restructuring is a good idea (especially to just get Clowney for one year).
Fine, then don't complain when they can't get a passrush lol
 

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-the Packers while MM was there invested in high level safeties. I believe Burnett was drafted a little after Sean Lee. He is another type of strong safety who played multiple roles for their defense. Randall was a safety that they drafted in the 1st rd.

But was that more the preference and way of working and operating of then Packers GM Ted Thompson ,..or how much or less was McCarthy's way of working ?
Only thing that could probably be said to how MM was committed to safety play was agreeing to pick up the option year of Ha Ha Clinton Dix.

Remains to be seen if this management team adapts and commits to the McCarthy preference way of DBs, or will it still be in the hands and philosophy
of Stephen/Jerry. I believe the last time we committed to drafting a safety high was JJ Wilcox in the 3rd round.

And the last CB we drafted high was of course Byron Jones- who the coaches here at the time, completely wasted, mis-coached and miscast
him with flexing him all over the field and eventually full time at safety before Kris Richard immediately moved him and coached him up to be a press CB where he
quickly thrived.

I'll betcha this Cowboys staff is minimal investing and hoping to have the more low -risk, high reward turn in, much like the Packers coming up with Micah Hyde in the
5th round before he emerged as a play maker, and eventually departed GB and turned into an All-pro 2017 season with Buffalo.
Betcha they are hoping the same with Xavier Woods previously in the 6th round, and hoping he eventually turns into a Michah Hyde type himself.
 

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But was that more the preference and way of working and operating of then Packers GM Ted Thompson ,..or how much or less was McCarthy's way of working ?
Only thing that could probably be said to how MM was committed to safety play was agreeing to pick up the option year of Ha Ha Clinton Dix.

Remains to be seen if this management team adapts and commits to the McCarthy preference way of DBs, or will it still be in the hands and philosophy
of Stephen/Jerry. I believe the last time we committed to drafting a safety high was JJ Wilcox in the 3rd round.

And the last CB we drafted high was of course Byron Jones- who the coaches here at the time, completely wasted, mis-coached and miscast
him with flexing him all over the field and eventually full time at safety before Kris Richard immediately moved him and coached him up to be a press CB where he
quickly thrived.

I'll betcha this Cowboys staff is minimal investing and hoping to have the more low -risk, high reward turn in, much like the Packers coming up with Micah Hyde in the
5th round before he emerged as a play maker, and eventually departed GB and turned into an All-pro 2017 season with Buffalo.
Betcha they are hoping the same with Xavier Woods previously in the 6th round, and hoping he eventually turns into a Michah Hyde type himself.

Excellent point, about Ted Thompson. We have to put that under consideration. The roster in Green Bay was put together by him and we have little idea how much influence MM had in picking the players.
 

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I think Everson Griffin, Cameron Wake, or Clay Matthews could be had for less.
But they are all much worse players than Clowney. None of them make your team better than what's currently there, except maybe Griffin, but he's not going to be cheap.

Wake and Matthews are mostly washed, it's why they're availbale.
 

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But they are all much worse players than Clowney. None of them make your team better than what's currently there, except maybe Griffin, but he's not going to be cheap.

Wake and Matthews are mostly washed, it's why they're availbale.
I think all three would be an upgrade over Crawford, but Griffin would be my first choice.
 

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1) For a guy that has never been a starter, still has not ever been in a full time off season program to physically developed properly, i would ...
But i do see your point in it could be actually be a Cowboys thinking of Gregory's' return and new CBA making it easier to bypass DE.

2) Er, this i don't get. ..why draft and develop a Gallup for the thinking of replacing a Gallup ? Why else is the use of drafting him in the first place if we need to
think about replacing him even when he's developed into a quite nicely No. 2 WR ? If anything we add to the void of a 3rd WR, and add quality depth should
a Cooper or Gallup is injured. In a WR rich draft, this is where we should be addressing such voids.

3) A low level SS signing, means kicking the can down the road and choosing to risk average- JAG like play that tends to continue to be our safety play.
If you want to invest in much better, difference making safety, you will need to invest in picking high for it, or pay out handsomely in acquiring it in FA.
Some may think it's not a position in demand in today's era, but this remains one of the toughest positions to acquire a top flight safety.
Also i think Dix is more of a center field FS than a SS, and his tackling, like Xavier can be in the so-so average range, ,,so i wonder how that's gonna play
out with that duo pair.

1) Gregory *was* our starter for the back half of 2018. He didn't trot out on the first snap of the gamer, but he was getting the majority of the snaps.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GregRa00/fantasy/2018
And that was with having to play himself into shape, only being able to enter team facilities in mid July after a long layoff where he reportedly really let his weight drop. This time, he supposedly kept himself in shape, and should get the reinstatement decision by mid May at the latest.

2) Though Jerry seems to be working hard on it, you can't pay everybody on the offense free agent money. It's only 2nd WR, LG, and C now, and that's only C because Frederick retired. Gallup was over a thousand yards last year. He's gonna get paid, and like a 1, not a 2. I'm assuming that won't be us.

3) On Dix, I think they already said he's FS. I could see us taking a SS high, but that would be a departure from their usual attitude toward SS, which is fill it with a cheap draft pick. Church, Heath, Frazier, Wilson. Wilcox was a 3rd, but I think they got him intending him to be a FS. Unless they change their moves, it's a cheap veteran SS bridge a cheap draft pick, and let them both fight it out with Wilson for the starting spot.
 

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Stephen Jones always says, the Cowboys like to fill all needs via fa so they organization can draft the best player available. As we all know, since he has taken charge, minimum short-term placeholders are signed then the team drafts best player at a need position.

What positions are still needed to fill?

1) RDE-team lost Robert Quinn, Ty Crawford is coming back from injury on both his hips and Randy Gregory still is on indefinite suspension. Sure. some prospects are still on the roster, but nobody can be counted on. Griffen, Vernon, Golden are some of the names of interest out there. Clowney will not be an option.

2) Slot #3 WR-surprisingly the team lost Randall Cobb, very few thought he would double his salary on the open market. You would think the team would like to add a veteran to protect themselves. Gabriel, Richardson, Amedola could all be had for a 1 yr deal.

3) Strong Safety-both the team's projected starters are more coverage safeties then they are strong tackling in the box types. Wilson is the only true strong safety they have on their roster, depth and competition is needed. Jefferson, R. Jones, Burnett all fill the bill as low level signees at the position.

I am just not in agreement on the DE position. Gregory is now a legitimate DE going forward. And having Crawford to play on first down there as well make that a strong position over there.
 
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