Video: Just a little over a year ago CJ Anderson and Todd Gurley had 238 rushing yards

Silly · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
Now this thread has nothing to do with hyping up the Rams.......

Its more sad that these guys ran over us and a year later one is out of the league and the other is hobbled and just got cut by the Rams.

And how did they fix this last offseason? They didn't. Damn near brought the same exact front 7 back with the addition of Quinn who doesn't help with the run at all.

Just want to say thank goodness we finally are attempting to address this. Now go get us a edge rusher and a linebacker in the draft and I'll be satisfied with that unit.

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rocyaice said:
Now this thread has nothing to do with hyping up the Rams.......

Its more sad that these guys ran over us and a year later one is out of the league and the other is hobbled and just got cut by the Rams.

And how did they fix this last offseason? They didn't. Damn near brought the same exact front 7 back with the addition of Quinn who doesn't help with the run at all.

Just want to say thank goodness we finally are attempting to address this. Now go get us a edge rusher and a linebacker in the draft and I'll be satisfied with that unit.

I think Jerry gave them the benefit of the doubt, so they got one more year to prove themselves or at least the contracts would expire.
At this point, I would blame JG more than Jerry. He should have done a better job preparing the team in the off season and had a sit down with the defensive coaches. I also never will understand how Moore is supposed to coach Dak when they were teammates first.

Future · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
Its not the same though. Offense issues were from coaching. They replaced the head coach.

Defense couldn't stop any decent running backs......hopefully Nolan and the emphasis on the interior of the line fixes that.

Cook was effective. I just showed you the youtube clips did you see it? He killed us underneath. So yeah his rushing average was 3.7 but he made up for it in the passing game underneath. It wasn't like he was catching 20 yard passes.

At the end of the day the offense played much closer to its potential than the defense did.

Coaching and also a lack of playmakers.

They stopped Kamara and Saquon lol.

Cook killed them in the passing game. That's not what we're talking about.

If the offense played closer to it's potential than the defense...then you're saying that the defense has talent and coachign was the problem. That's the exact opposite of your first sentence.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 31, 2020

Silly said:
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I think Jerry gave them the benefit of the doubt, so they got one more year to prove themselves or at least the contracts would expire.
At this point, I would blame JG more than Jerry. He should have done a better job preparing the team in the off season and had a sit down with the defensive coaches. I also never will understand how Moore is supposed to coach Dak when they were teammates first.

I agree. Jason was a big fault here as was Maranelli and Richard. No doubt about it. Still I think a GM sees interior defense as a issue and they at least address it with better than bargain basement guys. They got too cute with Covington and Hyder.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 31, 2020

Future said:
Coaching and also a lack of playmakers.

They stopped Kamara and Saquon lol.

Cook killed them in the passing game. That's not what we're talking about.

If the offense played closer to it's potential than the defense...then you're saying that the defense has talent and coachign was the problem. That's the exact opposite of your first sentence.

Kamara and Saquon fell off last year. Their teams were not good running teams. You know who the good running teams were. Just look and see who gashed the Cowboys and you will find out who the good running teams were.

And look at Vikings clip I showed you and see where Cook is doing his damage. And then also look at how his backup also ran all over us.

And where did I say coaching wasn't a issue?Coaching and scheme were issues as was personnel. The linebackers did not play well last year and haven't since the game. Granted, LVE got hurt but even when he was healthy he wasn't what was his rookie year.

quickccc · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
Now this thread has nothing to do with hyping up the Rams.......

Its more sad that these guys ran over us and a year later one is out of the league and the other is hobbled and just got cut by the Rams.

And how did they fix this last offseason? They didn't. Damn near brought the same exact front 7 back with the addition of Quinn who doesn't help with the run at all.

Just want to say thank goodness we finally are attempting to address this. Now go get us a edge rusher and a linebacker in the draft and I'll be satisfied with that unit.

..and they also brought back the same damn, old defensive coach that was leading, responsible reason why we had a failing run gap scheme
and player preference that allow us to be : out-physical : by several teams.
But the HC and management were still really so determined to think Rod Marinelli was just unique and special that gave us an extra edge
- and " we're so lucky to have him " as i used to hear Garrett and the Jones always say..

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 31, 2020

quickccc said:
..and they also brought back the same damn, old defensive coach that was leading, responsible reason why we had a failing run gap scheme
and player preference that allow us to be : out-physical : by several teams.
But the HC and management were still really so determined to think Rod Marinelli was just unique and special that gave us an extra edge
- and " we're so lucky to have him " as i used to hear Garrett and the Jones always say..

You're 100% right. I didn't like Kiffin or Maranelli. Great football minds I'm sure but not for me.

And I have a theory that Maranelli only wanted to coach up bad players. He never wanted premiere talent because it would've put his job on the line. He always wanted bad prospects or 2nd tier prospects to coach up.That's not a coach I want.

quickccc · Mar 31, 2020

There was obvious mutiny and dissenion in the coaching ranks among Richard vs LB coach Ben Bloom, that obviously added to the negative
effect on the young LBs - per whispers from the Star quite awhile back, that Jaylon wouldnt/didnt properly call the signals and alignment the way
Richard wanted, amidst that he either freelanced,. was confused ..or flat didn't respond to what Richard expected.

Though i did wonder why the coaches would not have preferred Sean Lee the IQ mastermind
and many years the vet leader of the entire defense, to properly call the signals, but perhaps the coaches wanted to exert the responsibility to a young LB that
is going to be a fixture here for years to come... Oh well.

And by the way, some of that mutiny that went on within Richard/Bloom (with no fixture from the HC?) even may lie at the feet at management
as according to JJT (Jacque Taylor) Richard was wanting to hire his own LB coach (Darren Barrow?) ..but they were insistent on keeping
Ben Bloom here, as like Keith O' Quinn, they supposedly thought so highly Bloom, they didn't want to part with him.

Future · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
Kamara and Saquon fell off last year. Their teams were not good running teams. You know who the good running teams were. Just look and see who gashed the Cowboys and you will find out who the good running teams were.

The Giants were T-5 in ypc. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

GMO415 · Mar 31, 2020

Before MM, teams could have their way with Dallas's Def if they put any effort forward.

KJJ · Mar 31, 2020

PJTHEDOORS said:
Best corner didn't make game changing plays.

Which is why we let him walk. However he was still our best corner.

jazzcat22 · Mar 31, 2020

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
Just think if he would have had 20 plus carries. I could not believe they quit running him, guess he was worn out after doing all of that.

And yet fans on here whine about Zeke coming out for a play or 2. :laugh:

jazzcat22 · Mar 31, 2020

So over a year later and that rotten coaching staff is gone. That game is the least of my concerns and any reasons as to why it was that way. They added to beefy players that can actually play DT, and will have a better scheme.
Addition by subtraction on the coaching staff by a huge margin.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 31, 2020

Future said:
The Giants were T-5 in ypc. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

19th in rushing yards and 23rd in rushing touchdowns......
But tell me again how the Giants are top 5 rushing attack in the NFL...... :facepalm:

jazzcat22 said:
So over a year later and that rotten coaching staff is gone. That game is the least of my concerns and any reasons as to why it was that way. They added to beefy players that can actually play DT, and will have a better scheme.
Addition by subtraction on the coaching staff by a huge margin.

IT may be the least of your concerns but based on how they handled free agency and this offseason? It was one of their major concerns for sure.

Future · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
19th in rushing yards and 23rd in rushing touchdowns......
But tell me again how the Giants are top 5 rushing attack in the NFL......

IT may be the least of your concerns but based on how they handled free agency and this offseason? It was one of their major concerns for sure.

Yards per carry is the only rushing metric that matters. They were 5th. And your point was that all the good backs they played had big games, which is colosally dumb.

Stop moving the goalposts. Just say that there are a handful of runs you didn't like, you think a game 2 years ago matters, and be done with it.

jazzcat22 · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
19th in rushing yards and 23rd in rushing touchdowns......
But tell me again how the Giants are top 5 rushing attack in the NFL......

IT may be the least of your concerns but based on how they handled free agency and this offseason? It was one of their major concerns for sure.

The least of concern comment was about that game itself, it was over a year ago. DT position was one of my concerns. And I still think they need to draft a DT in the top 3 rounds in this draft.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Mar 31, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
And yet fans on here whine about Zeke coming out for a play or 2.

LOL

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 31, 2020

Future said:
Yards per carry is the only rushing metric that matters. They were 5th. And your point was that all the good backs they played had big games, which is colosally dumb.
Stop moving the goalposts. Just say that there are a handful of runs you didn't like, you think a game 2 years ago matters, and be done with it.

So actual yards and points don't matter to you? Jesus Christ.

Future said:
Stop moving the goalposts. Just say that there are a handful of runs you didn't like, you think a game 2 years ago matters, and be done with it.

I just said that didn't I? That's what this thread is about. A game 2 years ago.

I can't believe anyone with eyes didn't see how this team can't stop the run. Like what would it have taken did you need Aaron Jones to have more than 4 touchdowns? If he had 10 would that have opened your eyes?

Future · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
So actual yards and points don't matter to you? Jesus Christ.

I just said that didn't I? That's what this thread is about. A game 2 years ago.

I can't believe anyone with eyes didn't see how this team can't stop the run. Like what would it have taken did you need Aaron Jones to have more than 4 touchdowns? If he had 10 would that have opened your eyes?

"actual yards and points" are dictated by game scenario, so no.

The defense finished top-10 in rushing YPA. What that means, is that your eyes are poor, you have sticker shock, and you have 0 perspective of what 31 other teams are doing. You are taking small samples sizes and making broad conclusion. This can be done to every offense and defense in the entire NFL, so it's a pointless exercise.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 31, 2020

Future said:
"actual yards and points" are dictated by game scenario, so no.

The defense finished top-10 in rushing YPA. What that means, is that your eyes are poor, you have sticker shock, and you have 0 perspective of what 31 other teams are doing. You are taking small samples sizes and making broad conclusion. This can be done to every offense and defense in the entire NFL, so it's a pointless exercise.

Alright. I don't care to this debate this anymore. You won. Defense was good and Giants were a good rushing team.

GMO415 · Mar 31, 2020

rocyaice said:
You're 100% right. I didn't like Kiffin or Maranelli. Great football minds I'm sure but not for me.

And I have a theory that Maranelli only wanted to coach up bad players. He never wanted premiere talent because it would've put his job on the line. He always wanted bad prospects or 2nd tier prospects to coach up.That's not a coach I want.

You mean taking Taco over Watt wasn't a good idea? Sheesh

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