How would you feel if the Cowboys took QB Jalen Hurts early?

BigD5 · Apr 6, 2020

basel90 said:
have you seen him last year with oklahoma? his passing improved dramatically under the coaches at OU. He is not known for his accuracy however. Nor is Dak by the way . Dak missed an amazing number of open receivers and his stats are mostly against weak defenses . he is 1-6 against winning teams.

Yes. I seen him throw quick screens to CeeDee Lamb and make throws to wide open receivers in the Big 12 a conference with the worst defenses in ALL football

Swagger · Apr 6, 2020

TwoDeep3 said:
This is what this fan base has come to. Actually thinking an Oklahoma QB could supplant the starter here.

Quarantine plus hard liquor and the Cowboys Zone, in most cases, equals this muddled thinking digitally plastered over screens around America.

Drink coffee. Take a nap. Have something to eat. Go take a shower. Perhaps stay off this site for a few days until sanity returns.

Ironically it seems as though you are the one that needs to wake up and smell the coffee!

Swagger · Apr 6, 2020

BigD5 said:
Yes. I seen him throw quick screens to CeeDee Lamb and make throws to wide open receivers in the Big 12 a conference with the worst defenses in ALL football

Sounds like Prescott!

BigD5 · Apr 6, 2020

basel90 said:
you cannot compare aikman to dak. Dak stats are system related . Dak's record against winning teams is abysmal compared to aikman. Last year dak was 1-6 against winning teams . Dak missed so many crucial throws in 2018 and 2019 and was not able to make any difference or comebacks to save the team . His melt downs are well documented despited having the top RB, OL, WR around him .

Was it all Dak though?

His WRs led the NFL in drops and he basically had no TE. Also he was held back due to the poor poor coaching he had from Garrett, who we can all agree was just an awful coach

Jarv · Apr 6, 2020

BigD5 said:
Yes. I seen him throw quick screens to CeeDee Lamb and make throws to wide open receivers in the Big 12 a conference with the worst defenses in ALL football

Who does that remind you of? Getting stats and points against teams with losing records and going 1-6 with terrible stats against winning teams? Hmmm....One QB with a 4 year cap hit of about 5 million, the other with a 4 year cap hit of about 150 million.

BigD5 · Apr 6, 2020

Jarv said:
Who does that remind you of? Getting stats and points against teams with losing records and going 1-6 with terrible stats against winning teams? Hmmm....One QB with a 4 year cap hit of about 5 million, the other with a 4 year cap hit of about 150 million.

So tell me who you think is most responsible for the team being 40-24 since Dak has been the starting QB?

BigD5 · Apr 6, 2020

Speaking of that Eagles game last season.....

Without the 7 drops Dak is 32-44 over 300 yds and a potential game tying TD

SEVEN DROPS

Jarv · Apr 6, 2020

BigD5 said:
So tell me who you think is most responsible for the team being 40-24 since Dak has been the starting QB?

Great question! I think the best way to figure it out is to break it down year by year. I would be interested in seeing your year by year breakdown to so we could compare.

The 13-3 year (best record of the 4) I would say the offensive line and Zeke at about a 50/50 tie. Agree or disagree?

Suntract that from your 40-24 record you now have 27-21 from 2017-2019.

2017 we were 7-9, I would argue mostly because of the Zeke 6 week suspension and Tyrone was injured, which gave us the Atlanta game that just crushed our QB and his confidence. I can't give anyone credit for a losing season. Agree or disagree?

2018 is probably the easiest, the Cowboys were 3-4 in their first seven games. Then they aquired Cooper and went 7-2 for the rest of the year. Cooper is the obvious choice. Agree or disagree?

2019 Moore became the new offensive coordinator and the first 3 (3-0) games it looked like Dak was the next coming of Joe Montana, everything was clicking! Then the wheels fell off and we went 5-8 down the stretch. Dak and Gallop has their best statistical years of their careers so I will give them the most credit for the 8-8 year. Agree or disagree?

Redball Express · Apr 6, 2020

basel90 said:
The irony is that our bus driver is demanding a shorter deal ( 4 years ) while Jerry wants to stretch it to 5. How dumb is that . 5 years with a regressing inaccurate expensive dude at QB.

Correct.

I think the team is getting ready to make a big change at QB.

I think they have gone as far as they want to risk the team with Dak.

Aaron Roger's or Drew Brees he is not.

Quietly Dallas is looking at their options I believe.

They leaked that video clip of Jones interviewing a top QB in the draft the other day.

Clearly this is a message to Dak and his agent. Come to reasonable terms..

Or they will draft a QB high and withdraw the Tag on Dak and use his money elsewhere.

I do not think they are bluffing.

PJTHEDOORS said:
lol. And Aikman's career 61.5% completion rate in your eyes wasn't inaccurate.

I believe it is said..

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

When I was younger, I used to look at a contemporary and their GF or spouse..

and say to myself..

"What does he see in her?"

She may not be pretty by my standards..

or she has the personality of a rattlesnake, whatever.

Then as you spent time around them and understood why it worked.

The wife was a great mother or a good cook or was good company.

She was not everything to everybody, but our friend would not go bar hopping when you called him.

Same thing here. Aikman did not have the highest completion average out there.

But he won. Period.

His identity is he was a winner.

Dak has not acquired that yet. He may never.

Cowboy history is littered with guys who were not crowned winners.

Danny White, Don Meredith, Craig Morton and others.

Dak may end up like that.

Jim Plunkett started out with NE, played well but fell from grace, went to Oakland and won SBs.

Dak may or may not be similar. He has to do it. We can debate until the cows come home.

But he simply has to do it.

DUO_CORE · Apr 6, 2020

It would confirm that Jerry is still in control.

gjkoeppen · Apr 6, 2020

Philmonroe said:
You're confusing yourself sir. Take this time to smarten up because right now you're making yourself look bad.

AGAIN just skirting around a real answer. Don't bother replying because I'm done with your non-answers. I won't reply again.

Hadenough · Apr 6, 2020

BigD5 said:
So tell me who you think is most responsible for the team being 40-24 since Dak has been the starting QB?

Zeke!

gjkoeppen · Apr 6, 2020

Redball Express said:
Correct.

I think the team is getting ready to make a big change at QB.

I think they have gone as far as they want to risk the team with Dak.

Aaron Roger's or Drew Brees he is not.

Quietly Dallas is looking at their options I believe.

They leaked that video clip of Jones interviewing a top QB in the draft the other day.

Clearly this is a message to Dak and his agent. Come to reasonable terms..

Or they will draft a QB high and withdraw the Tag on Dak and use his money elsewhere.

I do not think they are bluffing.

I believe it is said..

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

When I was younger, I used to look at a contemporary and their GF or spouse..

and say to myself..

"What does he see in her?"

She may not be pretty by my standards..

or she has the personality of a rattlesnake, whatever.

Then as you spent time around them and understood why it worked.

The wife was a great mother or a good cook or was good company.

She was not everything to everybody, but our friend would not go bar hopping when you called him.

Same thing here. Aikman did not have the highest completion average out there.

But he won. Period.

His identity is he was a winner.

Dak has not acquired that yet. He may never.

Cowboy history is littered with guys who were not crowned winners.

Danny White, Don Meredith, Craig Morton and others.

Dak may end up like that.

Jim Plunkett started out with NE, played well but fell from grace, went to Oakland and won SBs.

Dak may or may not be similar. He has to do it. We can debate until the cows come home.

But he simply has to do it.

''I think Aikman was a really good QB but, based on his career completion percentage, was he that accurate. He was really good at reading defenses and knowing where the ball needed to go, but his completion percentage says that getting the ball there was sometimes something else. We also have to remember Aikman never had a league leader in drops or a receiver unit that led the league in drops that both play into completion percentages. Now Aikman had Emmitt, the all time rushing champ and made so Aikman didn't have to throw as much and Prescott has Elliott who led the league a couple of times and in their rookie seasons he did for Prescott what Emmitt did for Aikman, but last year took like 6 games off. Aikman had a #1 ranked defense, and funny thing that when they were ranked #1 not a single player went to the Pro Bowl. Prescott hasn't had a #1 defense but he had a defense that lost the Cowboys a playoff game against the rams and overall since Prescott has been here has done a poor job of getting turnovers.

And then there's your winning a Super Bowl to be considered good but then there is a QB that is considered by most as one of the best ever that won no Super Bowls, Dan Marino. Now I'm not saying Prescott is now or is destined to be later one of the truly great QB's, but what I am saying that just about any criteria people use to down grade Prescott can be used in the same way with other QB's that most think are or were good QB's.
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Ranched · Apr 6, 2020

Lol. There's even talk now about grabbing Winston. In a way I wouldn't mind seeing it happen w/another quarterback just to give it Prescott & his agent.

Philmonroe · Apr 6, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
AGAIN just skirting around a real answer. Don't bother replying because I'm done with your non-answers. I won't reply again.

Great don't reply I won't be hurt keylanto

BigD5 · Apr 6, 2020

Jarv said:
Great question! I think the best way to figure it out is to break it down year by year. I would be interested in seeing your year by year breakdown to so we could compare.

The 13-3 year (best record of the 4) I would say the offensive line and Zeke at about a 50/50 tie. Agree or disagree?

Suntract that from your 40-24 record you now have 27-21 from 2017-2019.

2017 we were 7-9, I would argue mostly because of the Zeke 6 week suspension and Tyrone was injured, which gave us the Atlanta game that just crushed our QB and his confidence. I can't give anyone credit for a losing season. Agree or disagree?

2018 is probably the easiest, the Cowboys were 3-4 in their first seven games. Then they aquired Cooper and went 7-2 for the rest of the year. Cooper is the obvious choice. Agree or disagree?

2019 Moore became the new offensive coordinator and the first 3 (3-0) games it looked like Dak was the next coming of Joe Montana, everything was clicking! Then the wheels fell off and we went 5-8 down the stretch. Dak and Gallop has their best statistical years of their careers so I will give them the most credit for the 8-8 year. Agree or disagree?

Ok now whose fault is it Dallas never went to the NFC championship game while Romo was QB?

Cant say Romo. It’s on the rest of the teams shoulders too right?

basel90 · Apr 6, 2020

ondaedg said:
Oh just stop. Garrett's record against winning teams was abysmal. 9+ years of it. Jason G was the HC was he not?

jason was terrible indeed. But Dak is not a difference maker . he had many chances the last two years. Whenever the running game or the defense struggled , he could not make a difference . He is simply inaccurate. And now he wants to be top paid NFL player. Why can't jerry learn from the winning teams like the `patriots ? no one player holds the team hostage and there is alwasy redundancy . Heck, beliceck let Brady walk. I wish we had a brady .

basel90 · Apr 6, 2020

Redball Express said:
Correct.

I think the team is getting ready to make a big change at QB.

I think they have gone as far as they want to risk the team with Dak.

Aaron Roger's or Drew Brees he is not.

Quietly Dallas is looking at their options I believe.

They leaked that video clip of Jones interviewing a top QB in the draft the other day.

Clearly this is a message to Dak and his agent. Come to reasonable terms..

Or they will draft a QB high and withdraw the Tag on Dak and use his money elsewhere.

I do not think they are bluffing.

I believe it is said..

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

When I was younger, I used to look at a contemporary and their GF or spouse..

and say to myself..

"What does he see in her?"

She may not be pretty by my standards..

or she has the personality of a rattlesnake, whatever.

Then as you spent time around them and understood why it worked.

The wife was a great mother or a good cook or was good company.

She was not everything to everybody, but our friend would not go bar hopping when you called him.

Same thing here. Aikman did not have the highest completion average out there.

But he won. Period.

His identity is he was a winner.

Dak has not acquired that yet. He may never.

Cowboy history is littered with guys who were not crowned winners.

Danny White, Don Meredith, Craig Morton and others.

Dak may end up like that.

Jim Plunkett started out with NE, played well but fell from grace, went to Oakland and won SBs.

Dak may or may not be similar. He has to do it. We can debate until the cows come home.

But he simply has to do it.

very true. I don't see dak improving unfortunately . I think he peaked in 2016 . Jason and Moore tried to pump him up and abandoned the running game so many times to showcase Dak . I only worked during some games against the weakest division in the NFL when the running game was humming. but when they faced any decent team , dak's deficiencies were clear .

Philmonroe · Apr 6, 2020

basel90 said:
very true. I don't see dak improving unfortunately . I think he peaked in 2016 . Jason and Moore tried to pump him up and abandoned the running game so many times to showcase Dak . I only worked during some games against the weakest division in the NFL when the running game was humming. but when they faced any decent team , dak's deficiencies were clear .

Most of the pro Dak crew just goes by out of context numbers. They are always hard pressed to mention what games Dak "won" the game by himself in. They will then get disingenuous after you say that but know good and well you don't literally mean he did everything by himself.

Redball Express · Apr 6, 2020

basel90 said:
very true. I don't see dak improving unfortunately . I think he peaked in 2016 . Jason and Moore tried to pump him up and abandoned the running game so many times to showcase Dak . I only worked during some games against the weakest division in the NFL when the running game was humming. but when they faced any decent team , dak's deficiencies were clear .

This is hash but clear.

I just have no idea if Jerrah lives in a bubble or not.

He has to read and hear this stuff and he can not just be shrugging and not thinking.

We all want to know.

Publicly if he says something, it could open wounds with Dak over it.

But if he doesn't and quietly suddenly takes action..

he will be called untrustworthy and disingenuous.

You can't win.

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